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Why is everyone thinking about ashes? I am decades away from death (at least I hope so), but if I die, I want to be buried in a forest. No grave, no flowers, no raking of the sand around my grave.
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No joke. The sentence before was "motorsport", so I mean (motor)boat race. My concern is about noise and pollution (oil, exhaust fumes), so if you can contruct a motor that makes no noise and needs no oil or fuel, go on, you have my support! Sailing, on the other hand, is a laudable activity.
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What kind of drink did you have in X-Boys and Classic? I am pretty sure the drinks were 300 when I was there not long ago. I had orange juice, as far as I remember.
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(I have read only part of the thread, but still want to add my opionion.) I think all motorsport is utter nonsense and would immediately abolish it if I had the power. That includes F1, motorcycle race, boat race. Pollution and noise! Around the Grand Palace? Then I won't be able to go there to look for street hookers any more!
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Smugglers drive Thailand's grim trade in dog meat
ChristianPFC replied to TotallyOz's topic in Gay Thailand
I think I could eat everything that looks and smells acceptable (including dogs, cats, snakes), as long as it is raised and killed by animal right standards and if someone else eats it. -
How to squeeze lemon and peel shrimp without getting your fingers dirty? When I get a dish served with a slice of lemon, I squeeze the lemon with my left thumb and index finger, pressing it against the fork (hold in my right hand). So I get the juice on my dish, but my fingers become dirty. How can I squeeze the lemon without getting my fingers dirty? (Well, I could try to clean them with some of these flimsy tissues – that’s a different subject. I first lick them clean and then wipe them dry on my handkerchief.) In Europe, we have devices like this to solve the problem: but the slices of lemon are cut in a different way in Thailand. Why are shrimp usually in their shell? Mostly it’s just the tail and the last segment, but sometimes the whole shell, often cut open at the back to allow easier peeling. I manage to peel shrimp with fork and spoon without getting my fingers dirty, but I wonder why they don’t remove the whole shell.
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X-Boys Friday 31.05.2013 (The common thread is the Black Woman.) Black Woman calls ChristianPFC in the afternoon, so we make an appointment at 9pm in Soi Twilight. Black Woman is in fact a man. Under better light, I could her facial hair is clean shaven, I saw the razor in the bathroom and more important, saw her naked twice before and after shower, which left no doubt. That’s no pussy that’s hanging between her legs (although my knowledge of pussy comes only from pictures). However I shall refer to him as her or she, as she considers herself as a woman, dresses like a woman, uses women’s public bathrooms and is looking for hook-up with straight men. She says the gay dating scene in Thailand is strange to her, as she is used to being invited for drinks by straight men. She says other tourists approached on Sukhumvit Soi 4 asking “How much?”. Black lady wants to have dinner with ChristianPFC, but ChristianPFC usually has dinner right after work, when he is hungry, so this time, so we skip dinner and go to X-Boys. Simple lack of communication and assumption, ChristianPFC enjoys dinner with friends, but you have to talk about place and time before you meet. At 21:05, we are the first customers. There was light rain outside when we entered. Drink 300 Baht. Tattoo count: No tattoos: 47, 31, 7, 555, 28, 60, 45, 009, 22, 52 Few tattoos: 44, 55, 33, 10, 2, 51, 37, 888, 14, 21, 38, 53, 666, 002 Many tattoos: 24, 444, 56, 6, 27 Aircon and light ok, music a bit too loud, smoking allowed. There is one cute boy, number 33, whom she calls over to sit with me (again miscommunication, I call over a boy when I think so). Mamasan presses me for drink for the boy, no way. I tell her the music is too loud and ask her to lower the music, she does not move. After a few minutes she hints the boy has to go back on stage, so I tip him 100 Baht. His English is ok, but the hand-on-skin test was negative: When I put my hand on someone’s skin (in gogo bars usually the boy’s knee or shoulder), I can feel if skin temperature und dryness is to my liking, and sometimes I even get a slight reaction in my trousers if everything is fine. Not in this case. Black woman leaves to have dinner at Maxis’. I stay in X-Boys until the show starts at 22:15. I walk through the soi (cute Vietnamese boy is still in Scorpion Bar, this day white shirt, before always dressed in black). Then I join Black Woman in Maxis’. My Thai friend W is there as well (the one whom I housed and fed for two days during Songkran when he had no place to stay and no money for food) and invites me for a drink, now that his situation is better. This is a first! By coincidence, there was just one empty chair between Black Woman and my Thai friend W. We leave Maxis’ and Black Woman tells me she wants a massage at a place not far away (Proud 66 as it turned out). Why didn’t she tell me earlier, so I can plan accordingly? We walk there together, with a short stop in Heart Beat Club (just looking, no drink). She gets her massage and I chat with the other boys outside, and one of them is my type. Unremarkable at first, but when I watch him move and interact with the other, he sticks out in a positive way. I buy them two bottles of Leo (one boy asked me for it). I make a stroll to Soi 6 bars, nothing new. I return and hint to the cute boy that I would like him to come with us (Black Woman and I) to her hotel in Sukhumvit Soi 4. For dancing and drinking it would be possible for him to come with us, but to hotel room cannot. I get more direct and offer 1000 Baht for short time. He does not accept this offer. Sukhumvit Soi 4 is so far away! Are they kidding me? Another boy in the group mentions 3000 Baht. I don’t know why it’s 3000 Baht, I heard this number several times. From the non-available boy in Saranrom, from a Taxi driver with whom I talked about Saranrom and who said that his son went there and got 3000 Baht (maybe I misunderstood that, but it was about 3000 Baht). The boy from Dreamboys whom I met in G.O.D. I wonder where they get this number from. Black Woman chats with two other boys, both of them are very reticent about going to hotel, clearly not for 1000 or 1500 Baht, they would consider it from 2000 Baht onwards. We have a walk to Soi Patpong and return to Proud 66. Around 1:30 am, they are still there, shop is now closed. I offer 1500 to the cute boy. No way! He says he goes home to sleep. One of the other boys suggest we come back tomorrow, and he can massage her or me for 2000 Baht tip. This is the tipping point, where I realize that everyone here (including me for increasing my offer from 1000 to 1500, never did this before) has lost his/her/their mind. The boys about tip expectations and Black Woman and I for negotiating about tips. Side note: The cute boy had fingernails on his pinkies about 1 cm long. All other fingers were cut short. I wonder how he can give a massage with these fingernails. There must be something wrong if these boys reject a short time for 1000 or 1500 Baht because they want to go home to sleep, but can commute to and from work by taxi (the cute boy lives in Thonburi and commutes by taxi - that’s what he told me, I saw him leaving on a motorbike). I prefer it like it is in Sunee or Saranrom: “Can I go with you?” “No, take me!” “No, take me, please!”. Now these are massage boys and no prostitutes, but I am sure they know what’s going on in nearby places and know what to do to increase their tip for the massage. The only problem is I don’t want his hands on my body, I want my hands on his body, and if I pay, I want to dictate place and time. We go to Soi Twilight and there, after most gogo bars have closed, are a few boys around and one of them is my type. I think it’s the same I saw on Monday at the food court. He is from Cambodia and is happy to come with us for 1500. Black Woman hooks up with another boy from the group and all four of us get a taxi to her hotel. Each of us has sex with his boy. Sex is so-so. It’s a bit too dark, the music is a bit too loud, and I have cold feet (when aircon is on, I always have to wrap my feet in the duvet during sex so they stay warm). I pay my boy 1500. Black Women quickly realizes that her boy can’t fuck her because he can’t get it up and it’s too small by her standards, so she switches over to get a massage from him. This does not work well, too. She dismisses him with 500 Baht. Black Woman’s voice and actions show that she is used to give commands and does not accept contradiction, the boy accepts without saying a word. I wonder what the boys talk about us. The two boys leave at 3:25. Black Woman wants to go out again, dressing up takes about half an hour. She asks a taxi driver to take us to a disco. It’s “Spicy” where we stay 4:05 to 5:10 (300 Baht entry including one drink, she pays for both of us). After disco, we have whatever you call a meal between 5 and 6 in the morning, before going to bed at 6:20 in the morning. We sit down and each of us gets a menu, Black Women immediately starts chatting with people on the next table (two youngish Farang and two Thai girls) for about 15 minutes while I fend off the waiters saying that my friend hasn’t chosen yet. Then they leave, and Black Women suddenly gets back to ordering food, clicking her fingers and waving her arms at the staff: “Hello, is there anyone who can take my order? I want to order food now!” I don’t remember when I last time went to bed that late or saw a sunrise, but I don’t want to repeat this experience. This completely screws up my wake-sleep rhythm. In front of the restaurant, she asks a standing taxi for the fare to Sukhumvit 4. He quotes 100 Baht. She then turns to a random passer-by (youngish Farang, probably previous customer at Spicy): “Why do they always overcharge foreigners?” (stupid question, with a bit of experience you know that standing taxis in certain locations refuse to use the meter and overcharge). I don’t understand his answer, but her reaction is funny: “Honey, I’m not flirting with you. Calm down, nobody is trying to pick your scrawny little white ass up. I just asked you a simple question!” Hilarious! We are back in her hotel at 6:20am and go to bed. We wake up in the late afternoon and Black Woman starts touching my dick, gets it half hard and continues with sucking. Good technique, but I have no imagination, I can’t get my mind around that there is actually a big black guy and not a Thai twink on my dick. But if I could get my hands and eyes on a Thai twink, that would make all of us happy. Maybe next time. She gets me hard enough to pull a condom over and insert my dick into her ass. But then I lose my erection, so she just has a wank. Both of us get up (17:45) and shower (separately). She takes pictures of me while I walk in her room in underwear or towel. (She takes pictures of everyone everywhere when she feels like it, without asking and even after protests from doormen at X-Boys.) She needs half an hour to get ready, we leave her room 18:30. Black Woman asks me what I just wrote down (on my expenses sheet, which I use for general notes as well). “I just wrote that we got up at 17:45 and left at 18:30, which implies that you need half an hour to get ready, whereas I need just 5 minutes.” “Did you take any more notes about me?” I scroll through notes from previous days “No, nothing special” “So that’s all, that I need 30 minutes to get ready for going out?” “Yes” I didn’t tell her that I share our adventures and her character flaws on the internet to a growing worldwide readership of gay men. That’s my revenge for her taking pictures of me semi-nude (or even nude?) in her hotel room without asking me. We have dinner in a Pizzeria not far away from her hotel on Soi 4. All meals we had together, she can’t just order something from the menu like normal people do, there is always some fuss. In this case, she doesn’t even look at the menu, just asks the owner (?) “Do you have pasta? Is it good?”, in other cases she wanted more of this and less of that and so on. Or she tells me “Try this! Don’t you think this food is too salty/sour/spicy/bland?” While we are eating, she is watching the people who walk past, commenting on who is handsome and who not, and even knocking on the window from inside to get the attraction of someone who is walking past and whom she considers handsome. When we pay, Black Woman asks me for 60 Baht because she has no small change. (Oh no, we had this before, she still owes me 40 Baht I lend her to purchase fake eyelids, but I got back 100 Baht for taxi.) I tell her: “Listen, you pay with your 1000 Baht note and give you the 360 Baht my meal cost. That way, you will have small change. I always have small change, because I know I will need it, I am speaking of experience, I got into unpleasant situations because I had no small change!” “But you didn’t have small change when I paid your entry at Spicy!” “That was an invitation, I would never have gone to that place and especially not at that time!” “But I would never have gone to that Twinky bar and thought you invited me. Actually, that’s what I’m used to from America”. Communication, communication! After almost 24 hours with her, I am exhausted. I feel like being entourage or an escort (without pay). This difference in character is interesting for a while, but then it becomes strenuous. She can chat up everyone and has music in her blood. In gogo bars, she starts singing and dancing on her seat. ChristianPFC on the contrary has a policy: no singing, no dancing. Maybe I can learn from her: if the situation had been the other way round (i.e. if I had had a sexual interest in her, but am not her type), I would have been sitting in the bar waiting for the right moment to approach her and looking for the right words to say until she had left the bar. She on the other hand, got to kissing within five minutes and got me into her bed within five days. That women know what she wants and how to get it, and she doesn’t take “no” as an answer! While we stay on the sidewalk and say goodbye (kisses on both cheeks and mouth and hand-holding), a Thai friend whom I have known for over two years and met several times (in Pattaya, Bangkok, and his home town) walks past on the opposite site with his Farang boyfriend. We wave at each other. Black Woman goes back to her hotel, ChristianPFC joins his Thai friend and his (ChristianPFC’s Thai friend’s – “his” is ambiguous in this context) boyfriend for a drink in a restaurant not far away. You have to be careful, I wouldn’t wave my arm at a Thai friend who is with someone else, I wouldn’t even acknowledge him in a way that others notice, but my Thai friend initiated it and invited me to join them, so it must be ok with his boyfriend to meet other Farang friends. Finally some normal people! ChristianPFC takes BTS and bus back to his place to get some well-deserved rest. He calls a friend (Lamlukka hairdresser from Singapore former ICK) to ask if he is free on Sunday. That will be a separate topic. Next week (i.e. this week), I will take some rest as well with hopefully uneventful meetings with old friends and new acquaintances from gayromeo. I have to get away from areas of prostitution and meet some normal people.
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I am pretty sure I once went to Tawan, must have been three years ago. It is very low in my list of gogo bars to go, and after this report, and seeing their adverts in gay publications, it stays at the bottom of my list. I once had a pushy boy in Wild West Boys, took me a year to overcome that experience and be prepared to enter WWB again (however every time I had a look there was either show in progress or too few boys on stage). Recently, I had a pushy boy in Eros. He finally got the message that I am not interested and said: "I see you don't like me" which is not true, I just have no interest in conversation with him, but I didn't explain. It can't be that hard to figure out if someone is interested or not, I would say one minute is sufficient.
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Fresh Boys 28.05.2013 (The common thread is the black woman, so I post it here.) She calls me in the afternoon, we agree to meet at night (20:30 in Soi Twilight). I am in Soi Twilight at about 20:45 and call her. She will be there at 9pm. I walk around inside and outside the Soi, waiting for her. 21:20 I call her again, but she doesn’t pick up. So I go to Fresh Boys and wait there for her. I barely ordered my drink, when she calls and later joins me in Fresh Boys. Fresh boys has new underwear for their boys. Last year, they had hideous underwear that deterred me from entering. That was changed to acceptable underwear, and since a few weeks ago they have underwear that is ok by my standards. Tattoo count: No tattoos: 4, 6, 16, 26, 28, 29, 10, 33, 30, 31, 8, one boy who was offed before I could see his number Few tattoos: 34, 9, 24, 18 Many tattoos: 1, 17, 21, 2, 32 There are three boys that I might take for free: 18, 17, 30. I think number 30 is the Vietnamese boy I had last year who asked for 2000 Bath for short time and whom I had to shove out of my room with 1600 after hard negotiations. The music is too loud, aircon and light are ok during the rotation of boys. During the show, the lighting is horrible, mostly too dark, but then there are flashes that blind you. During show, most boys disappear into a back room. At least there are no ladyboys in the show. Show was from 22:18 to 22:48. Sprite is 280 Baht. On average there were five customers in the bar, when we were there (21:25 to 22:55) there were a total of 15 customers I guess. We kiss again, this time staff express jealousy and disgust. There is one boy whom I had two years ago (via gayromeo, but who is not so much my type, won’t take him again) who is jealous. She puts her legs on top of mine, but later I have to ask her to remove them, they are too heavy! We pay and leave (I give 20 Baht tip, she doesn’t tip, same as before in Screw Boys, so there are US-Americans who do not tip!). After a stroll through Soi Twilight, we end in Maxis’ for dinner. She has two full meals (same yesterday at the food court), I just have dessert. We ogle at X-Boys, and she takes many pictures of Soi Twilight and X-Boys (open door), despite protestations of several of their doormen. The Thai boy from yesterday walks past, she invites him for a drink and asks him why he didn’t come back yesterday. I am pretty sure she has facial hair on chin and neck that is clean shaven. We pay and leave at 00:55. On Surawong, she hooks up with a Thai boy (I think I saw him in Fresh Boys) and we say goodbye and they leave on a tuk-tuk. I am tired, so I can’t join them in her hotel in Sukhumvit (she would like me to stay with her overnight, even if no sex is involved, a wish I will be able to fulfill on the weekend). Before going home, I stroll through the food court and Soi Twilight. I have the following chat with the Vietnamese Boy (translated from Thai): “Do you speak Thai language?” “No, I don’t.” “Do you speak English?” “I don’t know.” It seems the communication problems on our first encounter (non-offable boy tread) were due to loud music (I had to shout when talking with the owner). But he is not interested in conversation with me, or he has instructions not to talk to customers? I take taxi home from Rama 4. Today and tomorrow I need a rest, so we will probably meet again on Friday, hopefully for mutual benefit (this time her company was more of a burden).
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That’s right, these pictures are from the top of Sathorn Unique. The idea of climbing Sathorn Unique has been in my mind for over two years, and last week I finally made it. It took several visits (I stopped counting, more than 5 and less than 10, alone or with a Thai friend) and total expenses of more than 500 Baht (travel and tips). Speaking to people in the main building, have a Thai friend call the numbers on the warning at the gate, first I did not get in at all, then I got into the main building, only to discover that on the the 2nd or 3rd floor, all stairways are blocked (lock and welding). This leaves me wondering how the advertising is attached to the building, they surely don’t open the welding every time? View from Wat Yannawa: My friend at the main gate (different visit, see date stamp in the picture), calling one of the numbers: View from Saphan Taksin BTS Station: In the main building, ChristianPFC on the escalator: As it will be shown later, this is the way in: Then on a walk around, I noticed the multi storey car park next to is has no locks, holes in the fence and there are makeshift bridges over to Sathorn Unique. That must be the way to go. When I was in the area, I always walked past hoping to get an inspiration. Last month, someone appeared in the in the park building. Full story: Sunday 21.04.2013 I am near Saphan Taksin bridge, so I have a look at Sathorn Unique. Main entrance locked, nobody inside. I check the unfinished multi-storey car park mscp (separated by a soi, with two makeshift bridges to Sathorn Unique) as well, there is a man inside and beckons me to come in (through one of the many holes in the fence). All further communication takes place in Thai. He offers to take me upstairs the mscp for 100 Baht or Sathorn Unique for 200 Baht. Exactly what I am looking for! He needs a key from someone else and he has no phone, so we call the person with the key from my phone. My battery is low, the call is interrupted and he asks for 8 Baht to call from a public phone while I wait. There is a problem, the key is not available today (Sunday), but will be available Monday to Saturday. He lives in the mscp. I ask to see his place, he takes me up to 4th (?) floor, there is a mattress with some personal belongings. He has no job and no place to stay apart from this. A floor up is another person who joins us on our trip to the top floor of the mscp. There is one bridge to Sathorn Unique, but there is no door with a lock, the access is blocked by a sheet of steel that is welded to the bridge. The other bridge is on the roof of the mscp and the roof is only accessible through a small opening in the ceiling of the top floor, you would need a ladder to access it. On our way back, he hints that he needs money, so I give him 50 Baht. Technically, he is an intruder in the same way I am, but knowing him might come in handy in a future trip. So I am left wondering: where is the lock? Who changes the advertising banners on Sathorn Unique and how do they go there? At least I have a phone number xxx and name xxx of the person with the key and know someone (name xxx, no phone number) who lives in the park house. Fast forward to present: On 18.05.2013, I picked up my passport at the German embassy, took a bus to Saphan Taksin bridge and shouted out B’s name outside the mscp. Nothing. Walk to the main building, ask a person there: no key. Walk back to the mscp: suddenly B appears. Today is the day! Now I finally learn, there is no key necessary, you just climb over the wall, walk over bridge and climb around the fence. Not for the timid, weak or those who are afraid of hights! We are in! I give B 100 Baht for this first part (you never know what comes next, the deal is 200 Baht for getting me on the top). Get to the next stairwell and up. Alas, after some floors, it’s blocked, with lock and welded together! But I don’t give up that quick. There is another stairwell, this time it’s only locked, but no welding. I try my room key, it fits into the lock, but cannot open. Then I start removing the chain, and to my great surprise, it was not locked! I can open the door! B refuses to go any further, if I understand correctly, he is afraid of ghosts. “Abandon all hope ye who enter” and an unlocked chain, this is supposed to deter ChristianPFC? You have to try harder! So I continue on my own. The stairs are unfinished, uneven and with some debris. It gets dark, I take out the flash light I carry with me all the time (now I finally need it!), otherwise I would have lost time to adapt my eyes from sunlight to the pretty dark stairwell. Up and up with an occasional walk in a floor, nothing special. Finally, the last floor, light comes in from above, I am on top! My joy lasts only for half a second as I am stung by two wasps or bees and can fend of two more. From a few meters apart, I can see that there is a small wasp or bee hive exactly over the exit. There are not many flying around, so this must be a vicious species, and fast as well, I didn’t see or hear them. One stung my naked arm, the other one my back through my shirt. Fortunately, I am not allergic and the poison isn’t strong, the pain goes away quick and I can walk around on top and take many pictures. There is plenty of plant live as well. My full album is here: http://s1084.photobucket.com/user/christianpfc/library/Sathorn%20Unique?sort=9&page=1 On my return, watch out for the bees or wasps, close shirt around neck and arms and make the passage quick, nonetheless one more sting. On the way down, check some more floors, I come across the abandoned office of the construction management. Souvenir time! Back to the bridge and across. Give B another 100 Baht (he wants 200 more because I spent 1 hour in the building instead of 30 minutes, but we didn’t talk about time, so I refuse). I would have loved to get in by telling the owner I wanted to buy Sathorn Unique and want to inspect it first, but I think this way is easier. As I was alone, I had nobody to take a “Victory” picture of me on top, and I didn’t see that you can climb on the circle and get a few meters higher than I was (it’s in the videos on youtube), so I will have to go again! Not recommended for imitation! If this warning does not deter you, you will need solid shoes (there is dirt, debris, wood with nails pointing up), a flashlight, good condition, and some protection against the wasps or bees. There are several videos on youtube, this one is the most useful (coincidentally, I downloaded it the day before I went and watched after I went): http://www.justonewayticket.com/2012/12/13/exploration-of-an-abandoned-skyscraper-in-bangkok-the-sathorn-unique-building/
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Screw Boys Monday 27.05.2013 (Report about the new Screw Boys bar after renovation embedded in another extraordinary adventure of ChristianPFC in Thailand.) My plan for the night was to check out the sex-cinema near Saphan Kwai BTS station and meet a Thai friend in Silom for a chat and to give back the bag he lend me when I was moving. However, it turned out completely different. On my way from work to home, I walk past two Thai men who invited me for drink and chat many times before, but I always declined because I was on my way home. This time, a cute boy is sitting with them, so I join (and get name, age, phone number of the cute boy). The boy works in the area and lives nearby, I never saw him before. He has a tattoo (acceptable by my standards) that fills his entire back, I did not let the chance pass to look at it and even touched it when he lifted his shirt and showed it to us. So I spend 18:15 to 20:00 with them, eating mussels, drinking coke and beer (just a glass) and chatting. Then a Thai woman offers to take me home on a motorbike, I accept a drive to the market, but then insist on walking alone after shopping. She hinted that she would like to see my room, but you never know where that leads! Next time I have to get the cute boy to drive me home. General observation: In a group of Thai men, it’s usually the youngest I have a sexual interest in, and he is the one who is usually sent away to get food and drink. It’s too late for the sex cinema, so I skip this and take a taxi to Surawong. I arrive in Surawong at 22:09 and call my Thai friend, with whom I had an appointment at 10pm in Silom Soi 4. His replacement at work (hotel, 8pm) did not come, so he has to take over his shift and will work the entire night. No problem, we can meet another day. I have his empty bag which is light, but voluminous. That’s why I prefer to meet in Silom/Surawong, if something goes wrong, I can easily find other entertainment. Walk through Soi Twilight. The cute Vietnamese boy is still at Scorpion and smiling at me. All bars seem to be at showtime. So I walk to Screw Boys, their show time is 11pm and 1:30am. I enter Screw Boys about 22:30 (new spelling: Screw Boys, before it was Screwboys if I remember correctly). Orange juice 280 Baht. Tattoo count: No tattoos: 10, 4, 14, 5, 3, 12, 9 Few tattoos: 28, 20 Many tattoos: 26, 11, 29, 17 There are not may slim or twink types, the majority is well-fed. Many have stuff in their underwear, one looks like he tried to stuff his week’s food shopping into his underwear. Their number plates (with keys) say “New Screw Boys”. There are three cute boys: one waiter I met at Maxis’ a few months ago, boy number 11 and the DJ. The DJ smiles at me after a boy points out my interest in him. I can see a part of a tattoo on his chest which does not look promising (i.e. I think it would qualify for ‘hideous’ when I see it entirely). He wears a base cap (the only form of hat I find attractive, but it’s better to see the boys without a hat so there are no surprises when they take it off). Trying to off a DJ is just crying for trouble, so I don’t even ask. I saw him smoking cigarettes twice that night. Music, aircon and light are acceptable. Toilets are clean, there is one towel which is damp. From the main auditorium, you cannot see the sign for the toilets (I just observed others and concluded where the toilets are). Boys and customers smoke in the bar (however I could not smell it, so no annoyance). Food is permitted, a group of customers on one table ordered food from outside. The majority of customers are Asian. There is one black man and a black woman among the customers (total three women as customers in the bar). I think the seating is unfavorable, half of the seats, you have to turn your head 90 degree to see the stage. Altogether, there is nothing that entices me to come back soon. The show starts 23:16 and lasts until 00:08. There is some Sado-Maso (whipping with a rubber hose) and a fire show. One boy (external performer? Didn’t see him before) is a fire-eater and does other tricks with fire. The rest of the show is as in other bars. They have fuck show, the performer walk through the auditorium to ask for tips. Around midnight, the bar was full. During the show, most of the boys dress in street clothes. The black man (Australian) and I sit on the same bench, with a lot of space between us. The black woman (US-American) comes in later, sits somewhere else first and then moves to sit between us. She starts a conversation with me, which within a few sentences turns into flirting with me. For better understanding, she speaks directly into my ear, then starts nibbling it, making moaning sounds and tells me her sexual fantasies that involve me. She asks me to kiss her, which I do (I never kissed a woman, but I am open to new experiences, even fucking a woman would be interesting, however I think physically impossible as I can’t get it up). I end up with her tongue down my throat. Some of the other customers and boys (I have known one boy for a long time and I know the waiter who used to work at Maxis’) look amused or bewildered. All of us have finished our drink, the waiter asks if we want another one (two or three times), then asks us to pay, finally they even move the table so we can exit easier. When I am alone in a bar, I pay and leave quickly after finishing my drink (but one drink can last 2 hours!), however in company you don’t know who is waiting for whom, so we get into this embarrassing situation of overstaying our welcome. We leave around 1am. I recline offers to go to her hotel room (with the black man, who would be interested in watching us having sex), or at least to the bar at her hotel (in Sukhumvit Soi 4), but I am not averse to go to Soi Twilight. There we end up at Scorpion Bar. The cute Vietnamese boy is sitting with three women and has his arm around one of them. Unfortunately, I sit with my back to him. The black women shows us pictures she has taken at Senso Massage with her iPad (no photography allowed, but with an iPad nobody notices) and of a massage boy she had in Pattaya, who has the largest dick in Pattaya. I am not that interested in cock, so I can’t judge, and there was no scale. I miss the chance to arrange kind of a threesome between me, the black woman and the Vietnamese boy. Scorpion Bar closes at 2am, we are asked to pay our drinks and to leave. Each of us pays his drink (I was waiting to see if the black woman picks up the tab as it sounded like an invitation). They close the metal roller blind and switch off the light while we are still sitting at the table. The Vietnamese boy is included in the cleaning up (put chairs on the tables, take out the garbage). He is still smiling at me, but I miss this chance to talk to him (to find out if we can communicate in Thai, and where he will go next). On our walk to the food court at the Montien hotel, she meets a Thai boy she known, so he joins our group. She definitely knows how to chat up people, now she has us three as entourage. The Thai boy says he has to take his motorbike to a friend’s place before he can go with her, but he never comes back. So we three are left there for dinner. There, in better light, I think I can see clean shaved facial hair on her chin and neck, but I am not sure. That would add another twist to the story, and from face and voice I cannot determine gender with certainty (sounds familiar? Burmese woman who turned out to be a gay man?). Best to ask for her passport when we meet again. On the neighboring table, there is a cute boy, we smile at each other, but I miss the chance to ask where he works, then he leaves with his friends. We leave at 3:30 (again more being thrown out than leaving, as they are closing). I take taxi home and am in bed at 4am. I exchanged phone numbers with the black woman in Screw Boys and we will probably see again today. Let’s see where this leads. I like her voice and she is quite entertaining (however with hindsight, there was nothing intellectual or sophisticated in our conversation). Several boys I know saw me kissing or hugging her, that will lead to some chatter. She fits the stereotype of an US-American, sometimes a bit too loud and too self-confident, and a few kg heavier than necessary. I had an interesting and fun night.
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This bike service has a website: http://www.punpunbikeshare.com/ (note that the two words pun pun are spelled and pronounced slightly differnt in Thai). I saw some bikes when I drove past in a taxi at their station in Siam Square. The station in Sam Yan however, has been unchanged (and is still under construction) for months. I am pretty sure I saw poles to lock the bikes there in February, then they were gone, then they were there again, and gone again. I had the impression that part of the roof has been taken away (right next to that station is the bus stop from which I occasionally drive back to my place). I would say the whole project is a stillbirth (do you use stillbirth in a figurative sense, for something that is doomed from the very beginning?).
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Update on the motorcylcle boy. I haven't seen him at work for a few weeks, neither at his home. Then it seemed someone else lives at the place where he stayed. So I asked one of his neighbors: he has moved to a few kilometers away. And the other cute boy (I often saw them together, sometimes shirtless) is back in Surin! At least I learnt a new word: Philips screwdriver is ไขควงสี่แฉก in Thai. I finally borrowed a Philips screwdriver from work and assembled the table myself (now that I need it for my laptop). The bottle of Leo is still in my fridge. Sorry that I can't provide a happy ending for the story. Out of about 500 people who live in the slum I walk past every day on my way back from work, these are the only two fit for sex, and exactly these two move away! (The two fishing boys live in the same slum, but the other way, so I have to make a detour of 100 meters to walk past their house.)
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I will bottom for you for half a million Baht.
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Fountainhall, Lebua (State Tower) and Jewellry Trade Centre are both in picture 3!
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Photo puzzle: where were these pictures taken? Which town (easy), from which building (advanced)? (Looking at the address is cheating as the answer is in the name.)
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Living and working in Bangkok: 3 months
ChristianPFC replied to ChristianPFC's topic in Gay Thailand
Yesterday, 19.05.2013, I met the Burmese woman again. Her house was on the way back from the shopping centre to my room, so I told her I would pop in on my way. Everything reported further is translated from Thai, she seems to be fluent, but can’t read and write. The room is in the slum, but the rent per square meter is about the same as for my room. She earns 12,000 Baht per month and sends back 2-3,000 to her parents. I asked to see her passport: valid only for Thailand, T-L visa, permit to stay for 2 years, born 1987, and sex M. Face and voice did not allow me to determine his sex, but now the passport shows it’s a man. We chat (often requires repetition, still I can only follow half of it, with Thais I could resort to writing, but here I have to do with the spoken word) and then he asks to see my room, so I invite him to follow me. In my room the chat turns to boyfriend/girlfriend, it turns out he is gay. I show him some pictures of my Thai friends (or boys I had offed) on my laptop, then he asks if I have “gay clip” (Thai euphemism for gay porn). I have that as well and show him some videos with Japanese, Philippines and Thai. He is very interested. Finally, the conversations turns to what I like (sexually). I have to decline offers to get sucked, fuck him or get a handjob. He is absolutely not my type. It would be shorter to list reasons why elephants can’t fly than to explain why he is not my type. Life in Thailand has plenty of twists. If I wasn’t an atheist already, I could lose my faith over this. But he knows about a gay disco or other kind of venue (entry is 160 Baht) in Lam Sip (?) I haven’t heard of or I just can’t match the spoken word with a name I read somewhere. So we will go there some day, he knows how to get there by bus 554. -
If you have to wait half an hour for your luggage, travel 1 hour from one to the other airport (waiting time for bus not included), and start check-in two hours before departure, it's not worth booking a hotel (at least by my standards, but then I once spent a night in Paris Orly because I didn't want to take a taxi in the early morning, so I took the last bus the night before). Having a few days stopover would be my suggestion.
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This is the first non-offable boy I encounterd and this would be the first one who didn't want to go with me. I can accept that, and now I see that the only way to let me know that is to wait until I invite him for a drink and ask to off him. Isn't the bar the most dangerous place for a boy who is underage and/or doesn't have a visa or work permit? If he is in the bar during a raid, they will catch him. If he is with a customer during a raid, they won't catch him.
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When I go to a gogo or beer bar, I assume everyone working there (as a gogo or beer bar boy) is offable, and experience has shown that even waiter and doormen can be are offable. Finding a boy who meets my standards is a long, difficult and expensive (depending on how many drinks I have to buy) process, so if I find one and can't off him, I am rightfully pissed off. If the boy had told me can't go, I would have left it at that (and thought he doesn't want to go with me, I can accept that), but from staff and finally owner (who just happened to be present, I didn't ask to speak to him) I thought I might get a reason. I was expecting the usual bullshit: forgot passport (they did not ask where I stay, so they could not conclude that ID will be checked) to exorbitant off-fees or tip expectations (would have been fine for, I would have said "too expensive" and left him). On the subject of un-offable coyote boys in Pattaya, I read somewhere they just need 20 coyote drinks per night, so if you buy them these 20 coyote drinks, you can take them home (if they want to go with you).
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Non-offable boys As if I hadn’t had enough trouble and deception and disappointment in finding sex (I’m not even talking about love!) in Thailand, now I became a victim of the “non-offable boy” as well. Saturday 18.05.2013 After having sat at Hotmale bar (water, 40 Baht) for two hours and observing the passing traffic, I stroll through Soi Twilight and there he is, the boy of my dreams at Scorpion Bar! He even smiles at me and invites me to the bar. I ponder if I should go eat first but it is starting to rain, so I enter. Another boy sits next to me and asks if I would like a massage (neck and shoulder), I agree. After massage, he asks for 100 Baht tip, which I give him. Should he have mentioned that the massage is not for free or should I have asked if the massage is for free? But that’s not my point. I ask him to call over the cute boy and offer him (the cute boy) a drink. The cute boy does not speak English, so I try in Thai, only to learn that he is Vietnamese. Communication was impossible, I tried in English and Thai, he didn’t understand anything I said and I only understood “mai ruu”, so everything reported furthers is translated by staff (it seems he understands their Thai). He is 18 years old (but could be underage, I should have had my request to see the passport translated, so I could be sure about age and know how long and how often he has been in Thailand). After fruitless attempts at conversation, I ask to off him. I won’t let language problems between us. Staff member one says he cannot go off because he is new boy, only drinking and talking (if you speak Vietnamese!). There is a slight probability that the Vietnamese boy I had in Fresh Boys last year badmouthed me because we had a very unpleasant negotiation of his tip (he wanted 2000 for short time, I finally shoved him out of my hotel room with 1600) and this message spread via other boys to this boy. I don’t give up, wait until another staff member walks past and ask again. Same answer. Finally, they call the owner. He is Thai, but lives in Paris most of the time (he is fluent in Thai, English and French as far as I can judge and has local knowledge of Paris, so I believe him that he speaks Chinese and Vietnamese as well). The cute boy is family (whatever that means) and cannot go off at all, not now and not later. He has been working there for almost a month (didn’t notice him before, should have asked to see his passport!) and returns to Vietnam every 30 days to get a new visa. Now I wonder: how does he earn money if he can’t be offed? I even wonder how other Vietnamese boys who can be offed, but have to do a visa run every 30 days, can come out with a positive balance (even if they get 2000 for short time). I pay for our drinks (orange juice, 100 Baht each), no tip for waiter, no tip for boy. I don’t go to bars to drink or to chat with boys (if I could speak Vietnamese), I go to off! I should have told the owner that I feel deceived. After four years of whoring around in Thailand, I became slightly jaded, so the moments are rare that I see a boy and within milliseconds I know “this one and nobody else for tonight!”. This is the second time it happened this year.
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I only had a quick look, but it seemed the interior and exterior (that I can claim for sure) has been completly changed. Can't say anything about the boys and staff, but it looked promising, I will be back one day.
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Screw Boys is open again. A tout near Soi Twilight told me about it (and wanted to take me there, but I told him I know the way and just want to look, so he left me alone). When I was there (today, 00:15), show was running and more then 10 boys were sitting in underwear next to the stage. Drink price 280 Baht, closing time 3 am.
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Advice on purchasing a smartphone? I am planning to purchase a new phone, as my old one (Samsung E-720, from around 2005) which I have been using since 2008 does not support some features I would like. I don’t need the newest model, it can even be second hand or “copy from China”, my only preference regarding manufacturer is NOT Apple. I did not get along well with the Apple computer I once had to use due to lack of other computers. And I read you cannot exchange the battery in Apple products and they censor some contents. I want to access internet with my new phone. My current SIM-card (1-2-call) is just for making phone calls, I want to keep my number, how can I extend service to include internet? I want GPS and a map (googlemaps would be fine) and want to be able to save points (or even record a whole trip). I want a touch-screen so I can type on a (kind of) keyboard, in English and in Thai, the Thai keyboard of my electronic dictionary has a keyboard that is only basic Latin without special characters, so Thai letters that are not on keys that have basic Latin are re-assigned to elsewhere, which screws up my touch-type abilities). Just had a look at a friend’s Blackberry: the key arrangement is different from a computer keyboard and from my electronic dictionary. With a touchscreen used in landscape orientation key arrangement like on a computer keyboard should be no problem (I will check with friend’s mobile phones). However, a look at a Nokia Slider (keyboard in landscape) showed yet another keyboard layout, different from computer keyboard! My current phone cannot display Thai characters, my new phone has to be able to do so, so I can read and write SMS in Thai. I want to use apps. At the moment I can only think of grindr, a gay dating app. I heard from others that Apple blocks pictures they consider pornographic, hence no Apple for me (or any manufacturer of mobile phone or mobile network operator that has any kind of censorship). No slider of flipper, just flat with touchscreen that fills most of the area of the front, about 10 cm (or 4 inch) diagonal would be fine. How long can such a mobile phone run on a battery charge? I remember my first phone (Nokia 6210 in 2001) could run a week (I didn’t make many calls) and now the battery still lasts 4 or 5 days (after over 10 years!). My current phone lasts only 3 to 4 days with a charge. Some of my friends with contemporary phones have problems with empty battery or carry a charger with them. In this respect, it would be a good idea to get a phone for which I can get a second battery cheaply. I want to exchange data with my laptop which doesn’t have Bluetooth, but wifi. Will this be possible? Even better: write SMS on my laptop’s keyboard and send via my mobile phone and save all contacts and messages from my phone on my laptop, is this possible? Do you have any recommendation on which model to buy and what to pay attention to (especially for second hand or “copy from China”)? Did I forget anything important? I am well aware that many of these questions could be answered by my Thai friends or by customer service or any mobile phone shop, but I think the answers would be their preferences and not mine. Or they would try to talk me into the newest model. I discussed the subject with a friend, he advised on getting Android 4 as operating system. He said that using any apps requires a Google account (with possibility that Google is collecting data of me)? A dictionary Thai<->Eng (and maybe English and French to German as well) would be nice, it should have a history of the last words I looked up, so I can scroll through them when I am idle. I used this feature a lot in my last (German-English-French) and current (English-Thai) digital dictionary, and I’m afraid the purchase of the Eng-Thai digital dictionary (Easy Dict A811 for about 2700 Baht) will turn out to be an unnecessary expense if the mobile phone can do it!
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Living and working in Bangkok: 3 months
ChristianPFC replied to ChristianPFC's topic in Gay Thailand
Update Some recent encounters show that my situation (sex-wise) is improving. On a trip to Singapore (former ICK, Ramkhamhaeng), I saw several cute boys and hooked up with one of the. He was there with two friends, I came alone. It didn’t run optimal, but I still count it as success. He and his friends stay in Lamlukka, Phatumthani province, about 20 km taxi ride from Ramkhamhaeng. So we went there (I paid for taxi) to his hairdresser shop, where his friends slept on the floor in their street clothes, whereas we slept on the couch that could be converted into a bed. There was no bed linen and the fabric was rough, of course I hadn’t planned for this. We used a very basic piece of cloth as a cover. The bathroom was very basic as well. Luckily, I had condoms stored in a place where I could find them blind, so we did not have to switch on the light and interrupt his friends’ sleep. We plan to meet again, but I am forseeing travel times, expenses and misunderstandings regarding place and time of meeting. It will probably be easier, faster and cheaper to go to the disco again and meet someone else. Several phone calls followed, but he’s so difficult to understand on the phone, I will postpone it until I have phone that can send and receive SMS in Thai. Another trip to Saranrom park was successful, now the fifth trip there in a row, unprecedented! On average, I have to go three gogo bars to find one boy. A weekday trip to DJ-station showed that there are enough customers and that I can get to bed at 4am and work normally the next day without problems (at least if I don’t do it every day). There was one boy who quickly revealed that he works at X-Boys, I took him home (1000 Baht for long time is reasonable). On one day I met the two cute fishing boys (see Songkran report) on my way home from work and tried to invite them to my room, no way! So I made an appointment for 8-9pm to come back to study Thai and talk. I was there at 9:02, they were nowhere to be seen, doors were closed, then I asked around and was told that they were already sleeping. Couldn’t make it up! But it gets better. Diagonally opposite lives a Burmes women who can speak Thai, but not read and write and who works in the area. She invited herself to my room and even asked if she could stay overnight (if I understood correctly). We met at 7pm (on a different day, 10.05.2013) and I told her she can come to see me at 8pm. 8:10 I call her, no communication possible, only background noises, TV, kids. 8:30 she calls back, we agree to meet in 10 minutes at the 7-11. I have to go there anyway. She is not there, no further phone calls. I can generalize this for many of my Thai acquaintances: absolutely no management of time and place, meetings by appointment are almost impossible. Even one hour later and 1 km away is beyond their ability to manage place and time! Had some more phone calls with Ice (the boy from the Saranrom threesome and foresome with the older transvestites). Someone will have to travel, next time it will be he, not me, even if I pay the taxi fare for him. We got close to meeting one evening for cinema (and sex later), but then he called again and asked for 600 Baht. Here I am again in a situation that is cheaper and faster and easier to look for someone else on Saranrom park than meeting him again on appointment. Generalisation for phone calls with my Thai friends: they are conducted in Thai and I have serious difficulties to understand, usually there is significant background noise. I shall get a phone that can SMS in Thai, so I can write SMS instead of calling, that should make communication much easier. And there was the boy from gayromeo. He lives in Sathorn, so I took taxi to his place. The taxi driver advised me that it would be faster and cheaper to go to Mor Chit and take BTS from there instead of going by taxi all the way to Saphan Thaksin. I never had this before, I followed his advice. The boy called me exactly one hour after I messaged him on gr that it would take me one hour. I was on the BTS near Surasak. This time the phone call was easy to understand. Then near his place I called again, we met at 7-11 and went for dinner. Management of place and time is possible! The pictures on gr were looking fine, but on meeting him I found he was not so much my type. Back in his room, we talked about Thailand, Thai language, his studies and homosexuality. He has sex about once per month, usually with boys from gayromeo. I was thinking I was the only one who does not get laid as often as he would like to, and all others have regular orgies to which I am not invited! He was finally begging me for sex ( I don’t have this often), but he was not my type, so I said goodbye. A few days ago, one of the fishing boys asked me for 20 Baht which I gave him. The following day, he asked for 30 Baht, which I gave him. Now this turns interesting, I finally have a point where I can approach the matter and maybe finally get his father/uncle/other male relative/older friend to pimp him and his brother/cousin/friend/whatever out to me (because the situation was so that I could not give him the money without others seeing it, but he was aware of it). I could update every few days, but I will stop here, you get the gist. Sometimes I think I am in a “Radio Yerevan” joke like this: (Yerevan – capital of Armenia. These jokes were popular in Eastern Germany and the Soviet Union.) Is it true that ChristianPFC met a handsome Thai boy and they had great sex and no money changed hands? In principle yes, but…