ChristianPFC

I noticed as well (Sun 18.01.2015) that Silom was night market and no car traffic, maybe this is a regular event now?

z909: However, when this happens, I've often turned them down. That's either because they asked for almost double the going rate or more frequently because I doubted they were going to be good company. After all, those who are good company will be usually be tipped well, so most of them don't even raise the subject. That's a good point. Boys who negotiate do so because they got low tips in the past, because their performance was poor! I don't remember more than one particular case, but when a boy starts negotiations I am wary, from diffuse negative past experience.

That would be a poor start. I know the boys wants as much money as possible in as little time as possible, but if a boy asked me how long exactly the short time will be, then I would send him back. Hasn't happened so far. I made a mistake a while ago in a massage: the boy was reticent to take his shirt off, then he asked me how much I would tip, agreed to 1000 Baht, then asked if I could tip 2000 (no!), then was reticent to take his pants off. I should have stopped and proceded with just massage. With more poor than good experiences with moneyboys, I am looking carefully for hints that I will not end happy, and if I have to enter detailed negotiations (started by the boy) about time and money, that is such a hint. How long I will keep the boy? Until I am done!

I have heard or read that elsewhere, but have no personal experience. Is Thailand unique in that you pay per transaction, and not per hours used? I meant that I don't discuss short time or long time. If a boy will go with me for short time and asked me how long exactly, I would send him back to the stage, without tip, unless he is marriage material. For those interested: my short times are usually 1 h spent in the my room.

A common occurrence, people love to talk about their pet peeves: tipping in restaurant and tipping boys, drink prices in bar and so on. I am not except from that, and will not refrain from repeating what I have said many times: I consider all these activities paid for by the employer and tip little if at all. Usually this issue does not arise as I mainly eat Thai street food where tipping is not customary. That does not meant the waiter/waitress should not have a decent income, but I think this should be paid by the employer and be included in the price on the menu. As a side note, I dislike it if someone pours me drinks.

I never mention time, and unless boy asks I don't discuss tip. So technically the boy I off doesn't know how long I want him to stay with me and how much I will tip. But I guess I am an average demanding customer and average tipper. In the last two years, all over-nighters were the boy's choice. I can understand that a boy asks how much he will get, but I never had a boy ask how long it will take, and I would interpret this as a bad omen and unless he is a stunner reject him.

Depends on Hotel. I went to see a friend in Tarntawan and had to leave my ID with security. In Malaysia, I just walk past reception, but locals will be stopped and have to tell them where they want to go, reception will call the room, and visitor will have to leave ID at reception. Even if they are repeat visitors to the same room. The new wing (house between parking and pool) has no reception, you can bring back whomever you want, nobody will stop you. The rooms have different sizes and layouts. A friend stayed there several times and I visited him several times, he prefers the room with the balcony that overlooks the parking. Usually front door and back door (to the pool) are closed (and locked), so I either have to go to reception (they will call him and send staff with key card to open door for me) or I call him and he throws me the key from balcony. But when you come back with a boy, you won't have this problem. And there is yet another building, north of the pool, which operates similar to the house between pool and parking. But to go there you have to parade through the open air part of the restaurant and along the pool; the gate which allows direct access from parking is closed most of the time.

For me, that would be a negative. Carpet in hotel room is difficult to clean, and imagine what amount of dirt collects in the carpet after years or even decades of use. I prefer rooms with tiles. The Malaysia charges for WiFi and has 10% service charge on their menu, both a no-no for me (moot point as I have a room).

Why not widen your choice? There are many other places to stay: S1 hostel, Thung Mahamek Privacy Hotel, Penguin guesthouse, The Blooms, The Boss Residence, and finally The Moon House has rooms for 450 Baht. I stayed in Ibis twice five years ago (about 1200 Bath per night), no problems bringing boys back. After that, I stayed in Penguin several times, rooms about 800 Baht per night.

If anyone goes to Screw Boys, I would like to know if number 69 Dto from Kalasin is in (or even better: his phone number or Line or facebook).

Sleeping with the boy (Tharnar, Tana - two short a - ทนะ, 19/50/175) was fine, activity in the morning as well. Showering together in the morning - not just sharing the shower, but washing each other. Lunch together, during which I enquire: he has been working in Screw Boys for 2 months (but I didn't notice him on two previous visits; but then the boy Dto I was looking for wasn't there on my two last visits). Tip him 2200 (which is very generous by my standards, based on long time tip 2000, that would be the third boy I tip over the going rate; only now do I learn that the going rate is 2500 for lt, will inquire next time). My highest tip ever and highest total cost (2200+550=2750). I have the boy's phone number and Line, so there might be repeats if we can come to a pre- or post work arrangement and a repeat customer discount (I have 1000 Baht for short time in mind).

This month, a Swede hanged himself in 43rd floor of Sathorn Unique. http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/447647/swede-found-dead-in-high-rise Says security guard takes 100 Baht from Thai persons and 200 Baht from Farang to let them in (double pricing, even here!). People keep going there: http://desertedplaces.blogspot.com/2014/02/sathorn-unique-bangkoks-ghost-skyscraper.html but that will probably come to a temporary halt now. Copy of a post I made on Thaivisa (some the data is slightly different from what I reported in this thread here, my memory). http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/782044-swedish-found-hanged-in-deserted-building/page-8 This is a weird story. Why would someone climb 43 floors to hang himself, in addition to the difficulties to get in? That's probably the last thing on a suicidal person's mind, but: he made it much more difficult for others to get in and for the owner to sell it. It's not that easy to get in, just pay 200/100 Baht at security (double pricing, even here!). I managed to get in April 2013, via the park house next to it and the makeshift bridge, with the help of a homeless person dwelling in the park house (technically a trespasser, same like me, but at least he lives there, I paid 300). In 2011-2013, I made several attempts to get in via the main entrance, with help of a Thai friend to translate, but either the gate was locked or I could just get up to about 3rd floor (locked door on the stairway up), after tipping a homeless person on the premises 100 Baht. It cost me a lot of money (400 Baht plus travel expenses) and time to get in, and I speak Thai (nobody there speaks English), I find it hard to believe that the deceased just walks by, pays, climbs up and doesn't come down. When I am in the area I will have a look if fence and gate look different than last time I went there.

Thank you very much. It was a pleasure to meet you, and thanks for the invitation. A unique chance for other forum members to read about the same evening from two different points of view. Meet vinapu 18:35 at reception of Tarntawan Place. Then to Madrid Restaurant in Patpong (the western soi, on the western side, about 50 m north of Silom). I have eaten there before with other friends and was always happy with their pizza, now I had the chance to taste vinapu's fried chicken with cashew nuts and liked it as well. Great food in an unusual location and at reasonable prices! Some time to kill, stroll through Soi Twilight. Then to Nature Boys. 20:20 no boys in yet, but manager assures us they will be there in five minutes and wants to sell us a drink. We are not fooled! To Golden Cock (stay 20:25-21:05). 3 Customers and 6 boys, of which 2 in underwear and shirt and one shirtless (but trousers), 3 fully dressed. Wouldn't take any of them for free. Note at the wall: Happy Hour 2-8 pm all drinks 100 Baht except boy drinks. Music and light ok, aircon too cold, no smoking while we were there. Nature Boys (21:10-40). No customers, 4 boys: two cute ones fully clothed, two fat ones in underwear (Calvin Klein trunks yellow-green fluorescent) bare feet. One of the cute boys gets shirtless, then disappears behind the curtain, we are looking forward for him coming back in underwear, but no, he returns fully dressed. One of the boys smokes, and in that small room you can smell it strongly. Aircon, music, light ok. Continue to Screw Boys (21:50, I leave about 22:50, vinapu stays). I did not intend to go in, ask for Dto 69: not in today, but staff will call him and he will be there in 10-15 minutes. What I see on stage is promising, and it's an invitation, so I go in. Five minutes later staff tells me they can't reach Dto. But there are two other cute boys I haven't seen before: 67 and 89, and I would clearly take 55 and 26 for free. 89 smiles at me when I walk past him on the way to toilet and has a better body, but 67 has a cuter face. Now I am posed with the problem to compare their skin temperatures without buying a drink, and then finding a reason to get rid of them if they are too cold. But 89 goes to toilet, and I follow. He plays with is mobile phone and smiles at me, obviously he was waiting for me. We exchange a few words, warm and dry skin. I should do this more often (follow boy into toilet for a close look under white light and some words; actually I did in the past but the boy I targeted ignored me). A few minutes later, I call him over and take him off (550 Baht off fee for coyote boy, Tana from Burma, 19 years old). Taxi to my room, everything fine in bed. I have not seen a boy with that little pubic hair before (I will spare you pictorial evidence), which I like. A great catch. He shows no intention to leave during post-coital cuddling and just lying next to each other and hugging. I ask if he is tired and wants to stay over night: yes. I am writing this report while he is sleeping in my bed. Thank you, vinapu, for a great night out (after a poor start in Golden Cock and Nature Boys, but that's life!). During this meeting, I first shared my idea of dividing drink price by number of boys with someone else (vinapu). In Nature Boys, 150 Baht per drink divided by 3 boys (2 of them fat and one in jeans!) is 50 Baht per boy. In Screw Boys, 300 Baht per drink divided by 15 boys is 20 Baht per boy (many good looking ones, someone for every one). (Super A would be even cheaper, 100 Baht and 10 boys = 10 Baht per boy). Under the current circumstances (no underwear in Soi Twilight), Screw Boys is the only top notch bar with boys in underwear AND a good selection AND cheapest drinks. I paid three visits within the last two months and offed two boys, all visits/boys worth the money.

There was indeed heavy rain yesterday night (Thursday 04.12.2014), and light rain a few days ago. While massage is not physically hard work, it it requires training (whereas rice farming or construction work does not require much training, I imagine). But not all boys who work in the shops I frequent have that training. I encountered boy are good at neither massage nor happy ending. Nonetheless, I tip 1000 for happy ending massage, but can see justification for 500 and am tempted sometimes (you know, I am a cheapskate). It's kind of unjust: my favorite massage boy (great body, good massage, good happy ending) gets 1000, and others who I take only once because they were reluctant to undress and let me touch them get 1000 as well. One boy I have seen a few times has limited massage skills (it quickly becomes repetitive, lying on the table and the same strokes over and over again), happy ending is ok, and a great body. Going to his shop again will bring the same as before (there is high potential, but we will fall into the same rut). He has no mobile phone (really!), otherwise I would order him to my room (I am sure he can sneak out from the shop in the afternoon when there are few customers, I'm not going to pay an off fee to the massage shop.).

For me it's Bangkok, as I have a room here (no worries about booked out hotels or rates higher than usual). From negative experience (with other holidays) in the past I will stay in walking distance from my room. Traffic can be horrible. I have spent NYE in Bangkok and in Pattaya, not much difference. But I'm not a holiday (i.e. holiday celebration) person, I rather avoid the crowds. In Europe (no cute boys), I would stay at home; in Thailand I go out because I might meet my future boyfriend (or at least a fuck buddy).

Depends on their interests: history, art, culture, architecture, weird places, animals? I for example have absolutely no interest in elephants, but like reptiles and butterflies. For me snake farm and butterfly garden (Rotfai park north of Chatuchak Park) would be interesting. I would advise against floating markets Damnoen Saduak and Amphawa, was there, utterly boring. Anyway I go to markets mainly for people watching, rarely by anything. Markets aimed at tourists have overpriced crap. A trip from Sathorn Pier to Nonthatburi is interesting (make sure you get a seat in the shade when you enter the boat) and cheap. For children, Dusit Zoo, Safari Park and Siam Park and other water parks might be interesting.

There is a fetish bar BarBar in Patpong, the doorman has a wip. I only noticed it in walking past, but Bangkokbois blog has an (fictional?) article about it: http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.com/2014/08/29/the-boys-in-the-bar-12-a-slave-to-love/

I was not even aware that there is still martial law in force. Current ban of boys in underwear in Soi Twilight gogo bars has a far greater impact on my life.

There will be "Fusion Freshy Boy" (sic!) on 21., contest starting at 22:00 (info from Bangkok Desire November edition).

I noticed several billboards with short time rooms for 300 Baht between second road and walking street. I guess there must be many in Jomtien as well, just walk around and look.

Quote vinapu: When I was there exactly year ago boys were gone, chased out by the management apparently but recently somebody / ChristianPFC ? / reported new sightings on them at front so hopefully all back to normal at Malaysia. Up to two boys at the same time, I wouldn't go with any of those I saw there for free, and the last sighting has been weeks ago (walk past almost daily).

I never had my wallet stolen, but my passport. Afterwards, calculating the damage, stolen wallet would have cost much less money and time to replace.

There are bar girl investigation services that do exactly that, checking if a girl still works in a bar. Don't know about boys, maybe a business idea for me? However taking pictures in bars is not allowed (rightfully so), I would at least have to off him and get him into my hotel room.

Thank you for sharing. I would say Montara is a place where you can expect a good massage, but everything more is a matter of luck. Happy ending must be a rare occasion in this place. Last year, I had a massage there, with happy ending. I had to indicate this to the masseur, we agreed on 1000 Baht. Whereas for Indra, I would expect hanky-panky to be the norm and report above (a447a) surprises me. I did chose my masseur. But then, the shop is for massage, everything else has to be negotiated between customer and masseur. However if the masseur does not want to provide any further service, he should work elsewhere (case similar to non-offable boy in a bar). I had happy ending at Indra, details here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/08/indra-massage.html A general note: if the masseur is reluctant to take off his clothes or immediately starts negotiating a price, that's a bad sign. I had this twice, it was a waste of money. In such a case, rather back-pedal and do just massage and tip accordingly (just massage).

When I book a ticket for train, staff at the desk often turns the monitor so I can see which times and classes are free. Such information is best communicated visually (in a table: time / class / number of vacancies). For hotel booking, their website should show a similar table: date / room type / number of vacancies, so prospective customers can have a look. On the other hand, this information could be considered business secret, hence you have to go through a lengthy email exchange to get part of this information that you could get with a one-second-look at this table. I am sure staff has such a table on paper posted somewhere for quick reference.