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The article is bland and lacks hard facts. If I had to summarize it, there would be zero. (PeterRS put it much better). However, similar can be said by articles about gay Bangkok written before ChatGPT. Droning about history and culture (copy paste from elsewhere?), and there must be "hustle and bustle" and "wind down" at least once in the article; whereas all I want to know is "where and how much?".

I passed again and found it. There is a sign to Nap Bangkok Massage at the end of Inthanin, and the manager of Nap Bangkok led me up to Zoo. Prices confirmed, and upon when asking for expected tip he said something like "1500 for soft service", and I left it at that. Upon my request, he called the two masseurs who were available, and indeed better looking than average. But still would be worst value for money I ever had, so I left with an excuse. In Inthamara, I had 1 hour oil massage for 350 THB and minimum tip for masseur 700, that's 1050; less than 1 hour oil massage at Zoo 1200. Chances of a good encounter here as high as there.

I hate receiving gifts other than money, as it's usually stuff I don't want and/or don't need. For that reason, I don't give gifts, only money, but in very few cases. The few money boys who have performed well on several encounters get a bonus on 5th encounter (that would be 500 THB on top of the 1000 I usually pay). My Thai friends either are wealthy enough not to need monetary gifts from me, or not deserving due to character flaws (I pay them what we agreed to, and that's it). In all those years, there is just one boy in Cambodia (not a money boy), where I feel that my money can make a difference (he likes to travel, but money is the limiting factor) and I passed him a few notes (against his initial protest). Most boys I know would just squander the money. If you want to make the boy happy, it doesn't matter how he spends it, but I would only give money that I know is being spent on purposes I approve of. When it comes to squandering my money, I rather do it myself.

I have similar stories of chasing boys for years and finally getting lucky. I had a great off in Eros, the boy left shortly after but I got his contact details from waiter. I don't know what was the problem on the boy's side, but it took me 5 years until I could meet him again. Great body and activities as first time we met. But don't drag it on too long! A boy I met in 2013, I saw again last year. 9 years can change a lot, in this case negative, not attractive any more. A video call would have saved me the time and money to meet him.

No idea what kind of misunderstanding or what schemes happened between the boy, the mamasan, the previous potential customer, the following customer (if any). At least it seems it was not an attempt to scam you for money. I'm very sensitive to sex on clock, if someone tells me has only limited time, I rather skip. I had a similar experience in my early days, 2010 or 2011, when everything was new to me. I offed a boy in a bar in Pattaya and took him for a stroll over Walking Street instead of going directly to my hotel. Then finally in my room, I was just reaching out to touch, a phone call from mamasan. The boy forwarded the call to me and mamasan told me the boy has to come back now (mother sick in hospital, is that my memory or did I read that story too often?). I wrote it off as bad luck and gave the boy 500 THB (I didn't have more on me that time, else I would have given 1000; nowadays of course nothing and ask my off-fee back - nowadays I wouldn't take anyone to a walk).

Not just that, it's illegal by law in Thailand and Cambodia. A tourist in Cambodia who rode a motobike naked was deported a few years ago. In the locker rooms of gay saunas, most other customers change under a towel. I'm the only one who drops everything. The subject of nudist places has been discussed many times in the forums. If there is any at all, it can only be in a private place.

I passed there last week and didn't see any sign, neither at the location on google maps nor nearby. There is indeed an Inthanin on streetview, I will look there next time. That would be the first time I missed a gay place I was looking for. The boys in the pictures are indeed cute, many my type, but 3000 total for a handjob by a fully dressed masseur would be the worst value for money I ever had. I would call it a scam.

Personal experience? If yes, please share. Everything I heard about gay activities in Africa is either scam or dangerous.

I vaguely remember that the proof of leaving Thailand has to be a flight, bus or train probably not accepted. I would buy a ticket to Baan Khlong Luek (border crossing to Poipet) for 49 Baht, but only available in railway station and only (how many weeks?) in advance. I once used onwardticket or similar service, but didn't have to provide proof of leaving Thailand. The booking can be searched and will be found in airline databases, but I didn't like that the printout did not have any airline name or logo, and can immediately be recognized as fake (in the sense that you won't be on that flight). The screenshot is from online visa, and they are asking for proof of travel TO Thailand. Makes no sense, and I would rather get the visa first and arrange travel later, but that's how it is. As if someone pays 35 EUR (in my case) for the visa and then does not travel to Thailand without a good reason.

I have entered Thailand many times by air, with tourist visa or even without, and only once been asked (by airline) for an onward flight. That was from Taipei to Bangkok, and I bought a fully refundable flight with same airline. I got the refund, but fees (exchange rate, credit card payment fee, processing fee by airline) were higher than a cheap flight in the area would have cost. If I get in that situation again, I would hope not to be asked for an onward ticket, or argue with check-in staff, but have everything ready on my phone to buy a cheap ticket or use an onward-ticket-service so I can do it on the spot.

Those questions, gay-friendly whatever, come up regularly. I think the idea of "gay friendly" is a western concept that does not apply to Thailand, or SEAsia in general. You can eat, drink, stay with gay friends wherever you want in straight, mixed or gay venues, nobody will care.

Over the years, I have flown estimated 12 different airlines, with change of airplane in their hub, between Berlin and Bangkok. Whichever was cheaper and had good departure time and stopover time. "Does anybody know some other cheap routes flying from Europe to BKK? I am based in the UK." Those would come up on the usual flight search websites.

Types of massage places by shamelessmack: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/massage-glossary/ In general, shamelessmack is a good starting point for massage and gogo bars in Thailand. There are the members-only subforums where you can discuss specific service providers. Unfortunately, not much activity there (and I did my share, but no enough others contribute to keep it going).

The Taipei sauna Soi13in is the best I have been to. In 3 months in 2018, I went 14 times and had fun 12 times. Elsewhere the ratio is 5 visits and 1 time fun. However the success in sauna did not translate to online dating. I largely gave up on Taiwan for gay activities but will go again for tourism. For me, online dating in Taiwan is a black hole. I follow a few cute boys in hornet and get shown other profiles, and I messaged about 20, some even twice, but nothing ever comes back. Zero. Nil. My two weeks in Brazil (SP and Rio in Sep 2020) were rather poor boy-wise, but there is potential and I like the vibe in general and the hiking in Rio. There is potential boy-wise that I hope to open next time.

Philippines is the only country in SEAsia I haven't been to. The reasons are multiple: A bit more expensive to get to because further away from Thailand. I said the same about Taiwan, but after a friend who has been there urged me to go, I went and was happy with what I found, total 5 trips. I have met over 5 Pinoys in Thailand, none of them convincing in bed. I chatted with more, the same crap as with Thai boys. A few years ago, I was pondering Philippines for my next visa run, a particularly negative exchange on online dating, crossed Philippines off for that visa run. A friend who has been to Philippines says hotels more expensive and poorer standard than in Thailand, that's something I'm sensitive to. And he says bringing locals back can be a problem. It seems Philippines will remain at "I want to go some day, but currently there are much better options". Similar applied for Brazil, until in autumn 2020 for Covid I was stuck in Germany with nowhere to go (warm, cheap, boys) than Brazil. I made it to Brazil and I'm glad I did! Will be back as soon as possible (reasonable flight prices and times).

For a few thousand Baht, a lot of things can and will happen. But my objective is not to get the boy at all cost, but on a budget. In fact, getting a boy on a budget, 500 THB in my case for boys who don't speak English and I assume have no regular contact with foreigners, is as much as a thrill as getting the boy at all. And the amount of money does not change the service rendered. On the contrary, there is rather a negative correlation: those who ask above average, usually perform under average.

A matter of type. Of course, if you give me a gay boy who looks like a clone of the straight I would take the gay. But if there happens to be a boy who takes me fancy to a high degree and who is accessible in space and time and circumstances, I will try. Of the straight boys I propositioned, let's say 10, one was indeed at least bisexual, another at least adventurous/curious, but most aghast/disgusted/shocked and useless for my purposes, a complete waste of time and money. "Rise to the occasion" varies. Some can't get it up at all, some manage to work up an erection by watching straight porn, but lose it as soon as I take over. Others get hard when I have a few strokes, which is a turn-on.

The OP gave a limited list. But of course, if you include Philippines, all Pinoy I spoke with in person (in Thailand) or online chatting were fluent in English and would come 1st place.

I once was the first customer in Screw Boys (currently still closed) and Eros (closed for good) and enjoyed the experience the see the boy arrive and change (that's the important part) under white light, without the boys paying any attention to me. However have to know the bar and get the timing right, in other bars I had a look, no boys, waiter invited me for drink, boys will come soon; no thanks, I will look somewhere else. I made that mistake once, in Chiang Mai about 8 years ago, pay full price for a drink and look at an empty stage for half an hour, slowly realizing my mistake.

My judgement is biased/incomplete by the fact that I spent time since Covid in Thailand and Cambodia, but not elsewhere, and speak more Thai than the average Thai speaks English. Best English: Cambodia and Myanmar. Can't judge: Vietnam and Lao. Worst English: Thailand. Those who come to Thailand for work are the most agile, both mentally and physically, of their country. I had Thais refuse to meet me in Silom because it's to far from Sukhumvit (where they are).

I was not specific about activities, anyway most sex I have does not involve fucking. Even those I got to my room and who knew there is nothing to be afraid of, were difficult to get for a repeat.

The earplugs reduce the level of human voice and background music to the same degree, communication works like without ear plugs. I'm sensitive to noise, and unless there is a very good reason to stay (and put in earplugs - in case of my rare disco visits where I know in advance it will be loud - or tissue), I will tell staff that I will not become a customer because of the noise.

I have no idea what GB and MT and MB mean, and I haven't read it anywhere else. Just ask them (VClub7) and report back to us.

I have taken hundreds of boys from online, and dozens from the street, and never had a problem. Similar for a friend, numbers even higher, let's say 1000 boys without a problem. In best case the boy knocks on my door and this is the first time I meet him in real. There are disappointments (does not look as good as I thought), but the saving of time compared to meeting outside more than compensates. When I'm not sure the boy in picture is the one I'm going to meet, I ask for more pictures or even better video chat. That has saved me a lot of disappointment (i.e. wast of time and money), and could have saved even more disappointment if I had been more strict.

I once spotted new recruits being led into the bar, eyes as big as saucers when they saw the other boys in underwear on stage. When I go to gay saunas in Thailand and Cambodia, all other customers change their clothes under a towel. But if you want my business in a gogo bar, underwear is the way to go. I do not tire of walking out of a gogo bar that has boys in short or even jeans and tell staff that I will come back when boys are in underwear (a necessary but not sufficient requirement to get my business).