ChristianPFC

I have to admit, even going to the German embassy in Bangkok to get a new passport was an unpleasant experience. Vietnamese embassy might be more unpleasant, however it's something you can't avoid, procrastinating makes it only worse. Vietnam has no border with Thailand, whoever comes in illegally by land has to go through Cambodia or Lao, which increases the risk. I assume all Vietnamese come by air and have permission to stay in Thailand, but work illegally. Whereas I know one Burmese who is doesn't have a passport at all, is here without permission and works on top of that, and once had to pay 4000 Baht when caught by police (but is back already).

I share how much (or little) I tip and sometimes ask others on the forum, but my financial situation does not belong here.

I think I know what your are talking about. I had that bug years ago, and lost a lot of money and sanity before I was cured. Get well soon!

Some bars open at 8, so 7:30 is reasonable. I have been in bars (Eros, Screwboys) shortly before opening, because I find the boys entering in street clothes and undressing/changing in the bar under good light, not paying any attention to me, more arousing than later during normal operation. (I deliberately did not name the bar, as this insight is only possible by negligence of the person who posted the rules, not assuming a customer would be able to read it or care.)

Just a hot spring, no salt water. http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2015/05/sankampaeng-hot-spring-in-chiang-mai.html

Google maps is free and does a good job. However I found plenty of mistakes and submitted dozens of corrections.

Yes, starting nude is a good start. I like skin-on-skin contact much better than clothes in between. And instant access. In Pattaya, I once had a massage and towards the end the masseur, still fully dressed, was above my knees, out of reach, and asked if I want a handjob. Not at all my idea of happy ending, so I declined.

Thai words for semen/sperma: น้ำว่าว nam wow ("the liquid that is produced in the process of wanking") น้ำรัก nam rak ("the liquid that is produced in the process of making love") น้ำอสุจิ nám a-sù-jì (scientific term) nam is general for liquid, not just water. น้ำตา nám dtaa = tears (liquid of the eyes), น้ำตาล nám dtaan = sugar (liquid from sugar palm before it crystallizes), น้ำผึ้ง nám pêung = honey (liquid from bees). น้ำแข็ง nám kăeng = ice ("hard water") Where English has a separate word for each of these substances, Thai just combines words to get the same meaning. (The a in nam is pronounced long when it means just "water", but short in compounds like all the above)

In saunas always free sex. In about 200 sauna visits in Thailand, two boys hinted at money, but I didn't bite. In disco or online, lines are blurred, estimated 3/4 of my encounters hint at money (that does not mean they are money boy, but a generously rounded up return taxi fare would speed up proceedings; and some ask for the newest mobile phone as a gift before we even met); 1/4 wouldn't think of even accepting taxi money or invitation for food. In gogo bars or host bars or massage it's clear, always money. For the OP, I recommend starting at saunas (no money, no problems with space-time coordination which is my biggest problem now, together with endless chat).

Thank you for sharing. This says it all.

Chinese whispers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers

Now I see abidismaili is not only interested in my financial situation, but in other's as well. Nothing wrong with that, but maybe the wrong place, here we are more concerned about cock sizes and off fees and drink prices than in which country you pay your income tax and what health insurance you have.

Back to the OP. In one bar I found the rules posted in Thai on the way to toilet, here translation in short: boys get 3000 Baht per month, in bar before 19:30 additional 80, between 19:30 and 20:00 additional 60, between 20:00 and 20:30 no additional, after 20:30 100 will be deduced, absent on Fri-Sat-Sun-days with concert or Mor Lam 600 will be deduced when sick have to present sick note from doctor thieves will be reported to police boy get 50 for each off and 40 for each drink 2 days off per month

Every now and then you find a gem. Regarding greediness: A boy I haven't even met asked me to buy him (or at least contribute to) shoes worth 2500 Baht. The question is: would he do the same with a Thai who is older/richer (then it would just be cultural difference and not greediness). The biggest problem for me is not greediness, not laziness, but stupidity and refusal to take advice. I had students whining that they don't know the way to where I wanted to meet them, even if money was offered (I would have gone to their room, but usually they stay with friends so can't do anything there, and someone who doesn't know the way can only be fuckbuddy, i.e. "fuck and go" without fringe activities.)

Why would it be your business? Anyway, almost the same questions in similar style have been asked here: http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?17994-ChristianPFC which lead me to assume that abidismaili on gaythailand is AsDaRa on sawatdeenetwork. There is no board rule against posting under a different name on another forum, but I find it strange. That was less than a year ago, either you have short memory or you are a troll. Whichever it is, I won't participate in any further speculation about my financial and professional situation and ask everyone else to do the same.

And greedy. From years of chatting with and meeting Thai boys (not just in the bars, in fact most of them not from bars) I can say that the majority is lazy and/or stupid and/or greedy. Supporting data in my blog. Your experience might be different. I saved money from work in Europe. If it's a consolation for you: it won't last til retirement, some day I will have to find a job. This subject was discussed before (on Sawatdeenetwork?). I'm curious about others' finances as well (mainly how much they tip), so I will answer such questions (if you ask nicely) in the most general terms.

I would need a closer look at Malaysia and Singapore, and even then I might prefer to sleep alone. I'm really picky.

One more thing about staffing of bars: Eros seem to have the same boys for years, and unfortunately not of them is my type, and while I like the concept, I don't go to Eros every time I'm in Pattaya. Kawaii seems to still have half of the boys I saw a month before. Power Boys and Nice Boys seem to have a completely new set every time I go (which makes me wonder: where did the others go, and how do they source their boys?)

I would estimate for every 1 Farang who invited a boy, but then changed his mind, there are 100 Thai boys who broke an agreement (I'm still appalled when I think of vinapu's report about the boy he offed from Tawan and who was already dressed and back, and then reneging because a better deal came along.) or simply were late. Below a recent case: [LINE] Chat with JJ Saved time：2017/01/03 23:03 2016/12/30(Fri) 13:43 Christian I'm in Bangkok now. Tomorrow to hua hin. 13:45 JJ You have room in hua Hin??? 13:54 Christian Stay with [farang friend in HH]. Same like last time we went. [we went 2 days 1 night a year before] 13:55 JJ Ok good for you 14:03 Christian Do you want to come? [message read immediately, but answer only later. That gives a clue: Any answer other than an immediate and enthusiastic "Yes" is a "No". ] 15:18 JJ Missed Call 15:24 Christian write please 16:58 Christian Cancelled Call 16:58 Christian Where are you now? 17:01 JJ Calling Time 2:08 [he can only go with me if his friend can come with us. I joke I want to see his friend, if he is handsome he can come.] 17:15 JJ [Photo] 17:15 JJ [Photo] 17:16 Christian A bit clearer? We can go all three, have to share one big bed. 17:18 JJ [Photo] 17:18 JJ I can go with myfriend? 17:19 Christian Yes 17:19 JJ Ok 17:19 Christian I will leave my room 12 tomorrow and take train 13 from hua lampong. 17:20 JJ Ok 17:20 JJ Time 18:35 JJ Time you meet me ?? 18:41 Christian Tomorrow 1230 at hua lampong railway station. 18:58 JJ Ok 2016/12/31(Sat) 4:46 JJ Tomorrow I not go with you Na serry kiss [no explanation given, actually I feel honored that he messaged me well ahead, others just didn't accept calls or did not reply to messages when I tried to reach them] In this case no harm done, with hindsight it saved me money (I would have paid for all transport and food for both) and I don't have to entertain two boys. From knowing this boys and similar situations with other boys, I already assumed that he will not come, and I would not have waited (going by train, anyway) or called. In fact, the day before I bought one ticket for me at Hua Lampong railway station, and if the boys had come, I would have bought two more immediately before departure.

I'm happy with the lunch buffet 12-1430 at Ibis Sathorn for 229 THB, and they have a breakfast buffet as well.

I have not seen anything like the op posted on open sale in Bangkok or Pattaya. There is another underwear shop in boyztown, near second road, in the soi with former Wild West Boys or X-Boys. But they have the same stuff that you can get in Silom, at twice the price (200 vs 100). And there is yet another underwear shop across the south-western corner of Tuk-Com.

Could you share how much you tipped the boys? Reality check: You went three times with a prostitute in a country that is neither yours nor his, and you can't even have a full conversation without using a translation program, and you are infatuated with him? I would call this emotional immaturity. It's not a matter of age, happened to me as well around age 35 at least twice that I became infatuated with a boy for a few days (I postponed all other planned activities, stayed at home waiting for the boy to call or message me when we can meet again, ready to instantly get on a taxi to meet him again), but after second or third encounter I found serious character flaws (boy is stupid or lazy or greedy or all three) and lost interest.

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Boy gogo - boy earns nothing from drinks - boy earns nothing from bar fine - boy must give 300 bht to mamasan from short time fee that he earns That's an extreme scenario, or rather a combination of how some bars treat their boys poorly, and has been refuted by others already. Or just the owner's greed. Even if the boy gets for 20 Baht out of the 200 Baht I pay for his drink, that's ridiculous as justification for drink price.

Then you will sooner or later see the bad sides of dating Thai boys* (may are stupid, lazy, greedy, sometimes all in the same boys). Not liking Soi Twilight is a good start. *I mean for free. If you don't mind paying through the nose, and live in the here and now**, you can have a ball, see recent posts by a447. **I know many who can't manage anything further than 1 km away and 1 hour in the future.