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I tried many times, but mostly no success. Either not interested or unreasonable expectations (e.g. 3000; I would offer 500, these are low-class, no English, all communication in Thai; and the few I got for 500 and eager for repeat show that 500 is enough, everyone who asks for more is just greedy), and the usual problems (poor communication, late, no money for taxi, doesn't know the way). But it depends a lot on you or me as well. I have a Western friend who doesn't speak Thai, but gets boys easily with google translate and with general chatting and beer. He is more outgoing than I am. And lives in the here and now, no problems with space/time and communication by phone. And he has a wider range (everyone with a cock and a pulse). "Here and now" is important. All those boys I pursued (I didn't get them first time we met, got their social media, chatted with them, passed their place again to repeat my offer), even if I got them after spending a lot of time and money, poor in bed.

Newbie yes (I spent one week in SP in Sep2020, and one week in Rio). Extra horny no, but extra curious.

Where exactly, and what is the best time to go and what is available?

I have found dick sizes in gay online dating and these massage shops exaggerated to the extent of lying. Fortunately, for me there are other aspects more important.

After various negative experiences myself, and other reported by friend, with Vietnamese money boys in Thailand, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. A friend put it: Vietnamese boys ask a lot (of money), but don't do a lot (in bed). But in Vietnam, the boys from online and in sauna all fine. Visa free 14 days for German passport.

There is various sightseeing in and around (most you can get elsewhere: temples, mountains, caves), as a pretext and daytime activity for me to go again. Boy-wise, it went like this: I had a good time with A, so I went again to meet him and do sightseeing. However, A failed to show up, so I went online and met B and had such a good time, that I went again a few months later to meet B. However, B failed to show up, so I went online and met C and had such a good time, that I went again a few months later to meet C. However, neither A nor B nor C were available, so I met D (now a drop in quality, not worth going for D, and anyway Covid put an end).

Shows/orgies in several gay saunas in Bangkok (R3 group and Krubb Bangkok) end in masturbation and I guess (but didn't pay attention) you can have guys from the show and customers cum on you.

There are no dedicated boy bars in Nakhon Sawan, but in the usual entertainment venues you might find a gay corner. There is/was some gay cruising in the park (island on lake), but neither numbers nor what's on offer interesting to me. However in online dating, Nakhon Sawan has been very productive for me. General sightseeing as well a lot on offer.

Where NOT to look is online dating profiles advertising big cock, or massage parlors with details of their staff, including cock size. In my experience all exaggerated to the extend of lying.

I encountered a few with beads or silicone. I can live with beads, but the two silicone were gross! Altogether less than 1 out of 100, it's not worth the trouble to ask everyone I meet.

That's not what I meant. I find the prices unreasonable. Even if I were millionaire, I wouldn't go.

I got boys from online for 20 USD, everyone eager to meet again. After a poor encounter for 20, I started offering 10, which still half accept. Those who perform well get 20, the duds 10 and bye. 30 to 40 is either generous/overpaying from your side or a greedy starting offer from the boy's side. "Also, the Thai peanut mix was to die for…I think Christian mentioned this previously on another post…" available at the market. I liked the fried garlic which is just added as spice. Thanks for your report. Some places I missed during my recent trips to Siem Reap. Will have a look next time.

I think so. By reading your reports, you seem to be happy with anyone with a cock and a pulse. I had a look into 168 Man in Dec and two weeks ago, but found nobody to my liking. And in such cases, I don't go for second choice, but make an excuse and skip. Anyway, those were just recce (but on the improbably event I see someone I like, I would have struck).

Not exactly. The expected tip for massage with happy ending in Cambodia is 20 USD, about 700 THB. That's about the same I pay in Thailand, but you have to consider that Cambodia is much poorer, so the buying power is higher. I would find 10 USD appropriate. In Pattaya, I tip boys from bars and online 1000, and massage with happy ending 800. Every one of them is eager to meet me again. The lower tip for massage with happy ending is justified by restriction in space and time and not the comfort of my room. I just don't to places that charge more. Most of my activity is online anyway. 12is12, have a look at the online dating forum on sawatdeenetwork (members only), and share a few reviews of your own. Overlap in subject with I have met hundreds of boys, and talked about some of them with Farang friends who have met them as well, and think some of their behavior can be generalized. I think poor behavior is more consistent then good behavior. I do not hesitate to recommend or advise against certain boys, see my posts on sawatdeenetwork. I would post more (with pictures, names, place of work, activities, tip) if others did the same.

Some of Jey Spa's boys appeal to me, but a while ago I had a look at their price list: no, thanks, not with me.

I have been to several of the Saphan Kwai / Inthamara massages and was happy every time with massage and afters. That does not mean that I would take the same masseur again, but performance and attitude were good.

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Over the years, I had three boys stay with me for days. That was not based primarily on money, although I paid for all expenses and gave them pocket money 300-500 per day. All cases quickly turned sour for different ideas of how to spend the day, what to do in bed, where and when and what to eat, where to go for sightseeing. In one case, the boy was new to Bangkok and had no own room and thought he could stay with me undetermined time, I had to flee: trip to Udon Thani (alone, the boy wanted to join but I made up an excuse) and gave him two days notice. Nowadays, I even refuse overnights (again speaking of free encounters) when there is no clear plan for the following day from the boy's side. But there is one I invited to stay with me 3 days 2 nights and all went fine, and I know some more I would invite. But all cases that I have met several times before and we have shared interests.

Yes it is awful by my standards. As a counterexample, I currently have two regulars who come to my room for 1000 for one hour Thai massage (they would do oil as well, but I don't want oil on my bedlinen) and fun afterwards. The equivalent of empty stage in a gogo bar. Some gogo have minutes of gap between acts, and many years ago Adam's Apple in Chiang Mai even had the audacity to play music videos from youtube to entertain the customers while stage is empty. Back to Zoo Spa, shower alone and soaking in hot tub alone I can do at home for much cheaper (figuratively, I don't have a hot tub but there are general saunas in Thailand that have). In some Saphan Khwai / Inthamara massage places it's standard that the masseur washes you in shower after massage (I don't know if it's policy of the place or the masseur's decision).

There is a sub-forum, accessible only to members, on sawatdeenetwork, where we discuss service providers. But it's not popular. With some of my Farang friends, we discuss the boys we meet extensively. I would like to read such reports, but it does not seem popular on the forums. I did my part of sharing, now let others do the same (e.g. the OP, where is your contribution?). Such information can save a lot of time and money, and indeed did for me and friends. Fortunately, most of my encounters are of a way that I would meet the guy again, and if the encounter is not what I'm looking for, it's not his fault and I would recommend him to friends. But some are useless in bed, various issues/problems/troubles, I would post that as well to save others the expense and disappointment. Grindr is poor for this subject, because there is no way to link to a profile (whereas in hornet, blued, romeo you can link or search by name).

Last prices I have heard from staff in Bangkok gogo bars before Covid was more often 2000 than 1500 for short time. That's why I take all my business to Pattaya (1000 short time in Sunee or online, everyone eager to go with me again) or online (in Bangkok 1000, those who want more, good luck with someone else). For massage with happy ending (handjob or blowjob) I pay 800 in Bangkok, that means I don't go to Silom (where prices are higher and it's a matter of luck if there is a happy ending, and price and activities have to be negotiated), but to Saphan Khwai and Inthamara.

Completely different from Babylon, but 39 underground is certainly worth a visit. I have Farang friends who are regular customers. I go once a year. Mostly Thai, but rarely spot someone who is my type. The place is brimming on weekend evenings to nights.

You are under the common misconception that the boy can show you around, or enjoys the same things you do. In my early years in Thailand, I tried to drag boys around, usually a disaster. Over the years, I have found only few travel mates.

Same here. Paid and even free encounters, some are what I call "lazy bottom", which is not my style. And I found no other way than actually having the boy in bed, that's why I go through such high numbers (by my standards, up to 10 new boys every month) to find the few who are good matches in bed.

All fine here. I stay logged in.