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Can mods put this into Philippines sub-forum for future reference? I met several in Thailand, none of them convincing. I would rate them similar to Thai. Details in links below on my blog. Whereas I rate Cambodians and Myanmar higher, and faster to travel there from Thailand, and I know what I get. https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2021/07/wop-cambodian-boys.html https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2019/05/dating-seasian-boys-1-overview.html https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2019/05/dating-seasian-boys-2-filipinos.html

Would need a lot more input from OP. Are you interested in beaches, mountains, museums, temples? Traveling by public transport, walking, rented motorbike or car?

I haven't been. In principle I would go, but at the moment Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan higher on my list.

I have been at Dream Boys at least once, if not twice, but that was over 10 years ago. Since then, the place has been on my blacklist for price gouging and doesn't have the type of boys I like anyway, a fortunate coincidence. That wouldn't work for me. When I go to to a gogo bar, I want to see boys on stage, not on a screen. A deplorable development in massage places (that the boys are not present, but select from pictures). The name is Queen Club, might have changed name once, but closed (for good?) last time I passed 19feb2023.

But keep in mind that for such popular festivals (elephant festival in Surin and monkey feeding in Lopburi and christmas stars in Nakhon Sawan as well) hotels can be booked out.

My rating of money boys in Thailand is the following: I value Myanmar higher than Thai and Vietnamese lower, based on plenty of experience with Myanmar and little experience with Vietnamese. My experience is the contrary, I value Myanmar people, be it in Myanmar or in Thailand, the highest of everywhere I have travelled in SEAsia. In particular I found that the poorer / more oppressed the people are, the nicer / more generous they are towards me. I don't think so. They (and other migrant workers) do work that no Thai would want to do. If they were causing troubles, the Thai would quickly send them back.

I have messaged some boys who do onlyfans or Line group (with entry fees) on other channels. They sent me links to their paid content. But I don't work that way, I don't believe in advance payment in any form. As tempting as some of them are, rather skip and look elsewhere. If they were willing to meet at all, I doubt it would be for 1000 which is my going rate (i.e. what I pay). The gap (10 USD = 330 THB to look at previously recorded material vs. 1000 THB to meet me) is just too small for them to make it worth for them to meet me, and for me to pay to look.

Prices are on the clinics' websites, e.g. for Pulse Silom: https://www.pulse-clinic.com/pcr-dna-test-for-14-infections That would be the upper end, elsewhere (Pripta Chamchuri, Red Cross near Lumpini Park) in Bangkok cheaper.

It's available at Mahidol travel clinic near Victory Monument in Bangkok. I can recommend them, clearly structured website and cheaper than elsewhere, I did several vaccinations there.

1) In my vast experience, I never met someone who did oral with condom, be it active or passive. 2) Relatively safe. Every few years, that's about 100 interactions with risk of transmission, I catch something which can only be from oral. 5) The window is set by biology (reproduction of the organism), can't be influenced by location (testing in Europe vs. Thailand) or by throwing money at it. There are Pulse clinic in Silom and Pripta in Chamchuri square which offer all kinds of test, i.a. 14 STD from urine by PCR with results between 1 and 7 days (n.b. this is their processing time, if you want results faster you can pay more; not the time between infection and testing). 6) Not for gays. But stickmanbangkok occasionally writes about blowjob bars with ladies.

Well said. Furthermore, some people like me like the hunt, whereas a friend who lives in Bangkok wants it quick and easy, he doesn't even look further than 2 km away on online dating because arranging travel would be too much hassle/delay. In Cambodia I did statistics, offering 10 USD I got 50% accepting, for 20 USD I would get 90% accepting. For Thailand I estimate 1000 THB 50% accepting, 1500 THB 90% accepting.

Even after years, I sometimes judge wrongly. Unless the profile or the boys says so, I assume he meets me for free for fun. The money boys I meet get 1000 for short time (which for me is at least 1 hour), I reject everyone asking for more. Still plenty of repeat business or new boys for 1000. Not even a question of distance, some travel from the outskirts to meet me in central Bangkok, all for 1000.

Gayromeo is still around, but of little use outside Bangkok and Pattaya. My favorite app is Blued, works everywhere I have been in SEAsia. Tiktok has no messaging system, but most have their facebook or other social media linked, and that's where I messaged the guy I saw on tiktok. One successfull encounter, out of dozens I have messaged. I'm not on onlyfans because it costs money to join and I don't want to watch, I want to touch.

1. not in my experience 2. not in my experience 3. cock sizes exaggerated, no problem for me 4a. indeed, in my experience massage skill from poor to okay 4b. indeed, no issue at all for me 5. indeed, no problem because I speak Thai 6. not at all in my opinion. 400 for 1 hour oil massage and 800 minimum tip (I haven't taken anyone quoting a higher minimum tip) = 1200, an amount I can write off a research expenses. Chances for a good encounter are similar here and in gogo bars or expensive massage places, but there the expense is much higher.

I would not base my choice of masseur on dick size they show, all exaggerated in my experience, and dick size not that important to me anyway. I had good, average and poor experiences at those places and for me worth a return.

A friend likes to be the center of a Bukkake party, and got the pleasure in gay massage places (he just walked in, told them what he has in mind and asked who wants to participate). I guess this is easier to arrange, and you have all day time, and cheaper than in a gogo bar. You could try your luck in orgies in gay saunas as well. I went to several, mostly just watching and touching and nor participating, and and what you describe can take place there. Just at the cost of the entry, but very limited in time (just one or two days of the week, just one hour) and other circumstances are out of your control.

Last year, I contacted several equatorial continental Africans on gay online dating, and all of them asked for 3500. I left it at that and didn't negotiate. About 5 years ago, I met a Madagascan in Pattaya for 1000 and was happy with that encounter. The highest I ever paid was 2000 for overnight with a boy from Soi Twilight in 2013. After that a few times 1500, but most is 1000 for boys in the scene, and sometimes I get one for 500 who doesn't regularly has contact to foreigners.

I'm not into kissing. But a friend is and told me he asks boys "do you kiss" and on their reaction (kissing him or verbal) he can judge. There is no point in being shy, if you want to kiss, ask the boy! For me, the interest a boys shows in the bar is a poor indicator. Nowadays I do most of my business online, so I have to go back a long time to find examples. 2011 there was a boy who looked dull on stage, showed no interest in anything or anyone, but was great in my room. No clear memory of the opposite, a boy showing interest in me on stage, but boring in bed, but sure that happens as well. As for rimming/kissing:

"rough guys" is something else and not what I meant. What I meant is better translated (from German "Unterschicht") as "lower class".

Before Covid, there was low activity in shopping malls toilets. Now I guess it's all gone.

Many years ago, there was a demonstration in a gay disco in Khon Kaen, where a condom was blown up like a ballon, and burst upon touching it with a finger covered in oil, as if it had been touched by a needle. Now that I make that comparison, maybe they indeed secretly touched it with a needle? Some day I might try myself, blow up a condom and touch it with oil.

No English (all communication in Thai) and working menial jobs, as far as I can judge. Limited world view (just their neighborhood). Which does not prevent attitude and unreasonable expectations.

I have been there several times, and will go again. But beware that far more boys are advertised than are available. On their blog, I spotted several I would be interested in, but have never seen on tap when I was there or even in their daily messages on Line about boys available today. Some people might settle for second choice, but I left a few times the two or three boys I like were not in. I freely share my positive and negative experiences with service providers. I believe a negative experience is more reproducible than a positive experience. And there are some peculiarities that might be of interest to others. E.g. I once had a boy in Winner bar sitting with me who was ticklish. Wouldn't work with me. Fortunately this is very rare (ticklish boys). At 15M massage I had one boy Mueang with average cock and difficulty to get it up, but excelled in other areas and I would like to meet him again, but he left. Another boy (Nueng with neck tattoo) at 15M massage was big cock and hard after a few strokes, but poor performances otherwise and I wouldn't meet him again.

I met a few boys who had great bodies, but poor performance. Some of them I met again, based on body, but performance didn't get better. I think I never overpaid. There was one guy in Pattaya who was, and still is, great in bed. On first encounter, great body, great performance, my happiness about this find, I gave him 1500 which is the highest I ever paid in Pattaya as far as I remember. He just stuck out in all aspect over everyone else I had met for a long time, I had to give a bonus over the usual 1000 I pay for short time. Other regulars, 1000 for ST, get a bonus of 500 after several encounters. Digressing, back to propositioning boys on the streets. I found that performance in inverse to effort I put in. I remember two who were quick to come to my room and enjoyable and I met them again. I remember three who I had to approach several times over weeks or months to finally get them to my room, useless in bed and I didn't see them again. Starts with boy reluctant to take off his clothes, "shirt up, pants down" is not my style; I want full nudity (with sexy underwear as foreplay) and my hands and lips all over his body and as much skin contact as possible.

I have no proof, but based on my experience I think if I had paid more, I wouldn't have gotten better performance. In my experience, there is no correlation between remuneration and performance. In hindsight, some cases the boy was disgusted at homosexual activities and just grab as much money as possible, do as little as possible and get out as quick as possible. Now that others have chimed in, I remember two more cases. In one it was actually a passing guy on a mocy who offered me a ride and then told me what his motives are. Another was working in construction in a temple that I was visiting, we got chatting and exchanged phone numbers and met after work. But none of these are reproducible. Both for free.