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Indeed, a regular works in 4T bar and he told me he starts work 4 pm, so when I invited him to my room for 6 pm I gave him an additional 300 Baht for off fee. I'm posting this to ask for confirmation as the only source for this information I have is the boy.

How did you get that idea? I like both hornet and your report. In Bangkok, I don't go to bars any more (prices and attitudes put me off) and use online exclusively, whereas when I go to Pattaya, it's mainly for the gogo bars and when someone nice comes along online, I will consider him as well. ???

I haven't been there.

Their website is up to date (recent posting is about promotion for Feb 2018). The map is not good, but I managed to find it on google street view (at the northern side of old southern bus station): https://www.google.co.th/maps/@13.7853535,100.4690348,3a,75y,1.58h,89.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss5cAu-CqukpVhpL6HXDsAA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Update: it's even on google maps as @Pinklao Spa (For Men By Men)

Since we pm'ed on sgt a few years ago, I passed through and stayed in Chumphon province several times and thought of you. Please tell us the story how you ended up there and came to build a house.

I went to Babylon Songkran in 2013 (?). Big mistake. There was a queue, nay a waiting area where I and about 100 others had to wait about 1 hour to get into the sauna, while being occasionally hosed with water by staff. In the sauna cramped, but nobody particularly my type, and anyway the mood was more for party than for sex. And I don't like the feeling of being wet for too long, and it gets cold quickly. Like all my other songkran experiences, it was awful.

Where were you when you had that chat? I agree with Boy69 in that I think the situation is asymmetric. Lay has long forgotten you, after chatting with dozens of others.

Wasn't part of the embassy land already sold years ago to what is now Central Embassy (hence the name?)?

Pinnacle hotel has rooftop pool and outdoor area. You might even be able to sneak in for free.

I would like to know more about Mount Victoria trekking: times from/to nearest city, duration, accommodation, guides, price separate for these items.

Mirrors my experiences. After all the work I put into online dating, and then meeting (I still do those cat-and-mouse game where I meet the boy at a place and time of his convenience, which often entails erring around for an hour and multiple phone calls) those I want to meet again are not interested, and those I could meet again (for money) were not what I was looking for.

It's a number. I still clearly remember the Vietnamese boy from Fresh Boys or Beach Boys in 2012 (?) whom I gave 1500, who insisted on 2000 and whom I had to kick out with 1600.

Power Boys and Nice Boys are on top of my list, pretty much exchangable, which is better depends on who is in. These two bars I don't miss when I'm in Pattaya. It's exactly those rough-trade straight boys who attract me, preferably without tattoos. Winner comes 3rd, and Eros is a distant 4th, now down to one visit per year. I like their business model, but they rarely have boys who are my type, and those short they wear are hideous. Good Boys remain on my list of interest, now that there was a report that boys are still happy with 300 THB, add two drinks at 150 that makes a total of 500, and often spotting interesting looking boys when passing, I will go again some day (but I have been saying that for years, in the end I rather pay a bit more and take boy to my room).

But what are their tip expectations? Even assuming the chance to land a dud is the same as with other nationalities, if it starts with higher tip expectations, I will go for other nationalities.

I never experienced overcharging in Taiwan or Myanmar, and cannot imagine tourists being overcharged in Germany, France, the UK, or Switzerland. Expensive maybe, but not different prices for locals and tourists. From the article, nobody seems to see anything wrong with the idea of overcharging tourists. Long ago, I stopped eating at such markets after one experience of the food being served with single-use crookery and cutlery, and no table being free, so I and my friend had to sit on the curbstone to eat food that cost more than it would have in a regular restaurant, from single-use crookery and cutlery. Now I eat in a regular restaurant before going to such markets.

I was in Eros on 19jan2018, 21:12-21. There was no beach party, boys in the usual shorts (ugly by my standards), and none my type, and poor light. Eros remains at the bottom of my list of Sunee gogo bars.

I will avoid Toy Boys in the future for two reasons: They put the cute guys outside to attract customers in, but the cute guys never appear on stage, a practice I dislike. Two weeks ago I exchanged contact details with one of them, really my type, and contacted him for evening fun right after my arrival in Pattaya some days ago. He did ask for 1500 for 1 hour, I countered with 1000, and neither of us would budge. From that I assume that boys in Toy Boys expect 1500 as well, which I'm not going to pay.

The world economy is a Ponzi / snowball scheme that relies on growth. The resources to nourish and care for the old should have generated and saved by them, but they didn't, so now their children have to generate an excess to care for the old. One day, natural resources or environment will not support this any more and there will be global crisis that throws large numbers of people into poverty or death. I can clearly see it, but I don't know if it will be a "Mad Max" or a "Soylent Green" dystopia that awaits those unlucky to live long enough and not to belong to the very small number of wealthy.

It's getting better and better! Keep it coming! "The hornets buzzed but did not land. Maybe it's me. Did I say the wrong thing?" It's not you, it's them. You didn't say anything wrong. Mirrors my experiences elsewhere; I have been through too much of this crap and would have labelled them differently: the time waster, the scammer, the retard, and the idiot.

Agree with all the above. Comparison of Classic Boys Bangkok and Winner Boys Pattaya this month: Classic Boys up to 30 customers, entertained by about 20 gogo boys and tended by about 20 fully dressed staff, drink price 380 THB regular, can be negotiated down to 300 THB. Winner Boys 14 customers, 8 gogo boys, 5 fully dressed staff, drink price 79 THB for soft drink. Even before going into off fees and tip expectations, I can make my choice: get on the bus to Pattaya!

Great report and mirrors my recent experiences with many great boys online, in the bars and in massage (details tomorrow in my blog).

Immodium is against diarrhea. When I tried it once in 2011, it did not work for me. Anyway, immodium just paralyses the sphincter, and does not fight the cause of diarrhea.

Solly solly's, what is that?

That varies widely from bar to bar. I never sit that long with a boy, so the question does not arise for me.

I cannot have a meaningful conversation during sex, or meaningful sex while talking. Sex and talking do not go well together for me, and I had to tell chatty boys to shut up during sex.