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Thanks @terper for this interesting segue to Chinese moneyboys, in response to @Taikonaut's question. I have a follow-up question, but in the interest of good housekeeping, I have put my question in the China forum, because that would be the proper place for discussion and makes it easier for others to search in future. Could you look at my question there?

This is a question for @terper following his reply to @Taikonaut in the thread "First time in Bangkok report!" Whilst taikonaut asked about KTV bars and WeChat groups, it would be super useful if terper could also describe what the scene is (if any) regarding paid sex venues such as massage parlours and saunas with moneyboys in attendance, in your city where you live. China is a huge country and we will bear in mind that different cities will have different scenes when it comes to physical spaces, not least because of local government controls and market size. My own long-ago experience with freelance moneyboys in China is that they can get pretty rough over money - something I have not personally experienced in any other Asian country, but something similar to the stories posted about a certain Vietnamese boy from Screw/Good Boy and other stories posted now and then in the Latin America forums. So, even if I were fluent in Chinese, I would still prefer the relative safety of controlled venues.

They have a Line ID too? Care to share it? So far, only X formerly twitter has been mentioned.

In addition to VCK (also known as Vclub7) that @Verchiele mentioned, there is also a glass aquarium in Prince. Arena has boys line up in the flesh. Ganymede too, if I remember correctly.

How interesting! I see @Marc in Calif is still smarting from the time I and another poster caught him posing as knowledgeable about Bali when he was only cribbing information from the web. 🤣

Happy birthday!

No need to track which address. Just look for the orange shirts.

Thank you. Rather encouraging to hear that customer numbers are healthy, at least for the shows. Hope offing ratio is also healthy, for the sake of the boys - whose welfare is always closer to our hearts than bar owners' or mamasans'.

In years past I have made the trek to several places in Lat Phrao, a handful in Onnut, Thonburi, Nonthaburi, even one in Minburi (there used to be a shop named Hercules there, and the taxi ride took over an hour). Of all of these, there were only two visits (to a place called White Spa or something like that in Lat Phrao and to another place in Onnut, whose name I have forgotten) which I remember with fondness. All the rest were forgettable. From my experience, the score rate is no different from the shops in Saphan Khwai or downtown. Sometimes, the guy is a gem, other times a dud. In my opinion, neither distance nor looks are predicting factors. The memorable guy from Onnut was from a shop with mostly women in front. He was short and possibly in his forties (and in average shape). But maybe because few others would think of going to that shop (or picking him) for extra services, when we, in the privacy of our massage room, embarked on our whirlwind romance, he did so with a gusto like he had not cum for the last six months. But he was the exception. As mentioned above, most other excursions to the fringes of Bangkok were far from memorable. That said, it may be just me. From reading the various reports on this forum, I have learnt that there are people different from me, people who put much greater weight on how closely the boy's look compares to a certain idealised image of beauty. A lot of time and MONEY is invested in pursuit of looks, and visual delight colours their experience of the performance that is actually delivered. A performance that on an objective score may be ho-hum may be rated higher simply because the guy looks like a Greek God, a full-fledged bear, or the Epitomy of Youth. I'm not being critical; I'm just stating an observation with no value judgement. We are all different. In a way, you can say the extreme end of this spectrum would be those among us who call themselves muscle worshippers. We've had people here say, they don't even need coitus, they don't need to cum, so long as they can caress the torso, arms and legs of their dreams. People like me, without that kind of aesthetic sense, would never pay money for that! 😘 As unlikely as me paying money to screw a woman. So, if university students in the glow of youth have value to you, then go make the trek. But if that's not in your calculus, then the distance and trouble may not be worth it. You're just as likely to get satisfaction from places that are easier to access.

There are private rooms. Perhaps you have previously asked for Thai massage. In many establishments (I don't know about Green Massage) these tend to be performed on floor mattresses laid out in a big room, with curtains separating the mattresses. If you ordered an oil massage, you'd be shown to individual cabins.

This thread, with its multiple mentions of Banana Club Massage, fell silent more than six years ago. Rather than open a new thread, maybe it's better to continue here. I stumbled on their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100069377674192) and Banana Club Massage is apparently alive. Yet, there's been no discussion about it for years. Recalling my last visit (>10 years ago?) it was a place with mixed gender foot massage downstairs, but it had twinky boys doing full body massage in the upstairs section. However, this may no longer be its business model. Although a Facebook post of 19 December 2023 says "Open for service from noon to midnight. Foot massage, Thai massage, Aroma massage. Hot oil. Scrub", it doesn't say whether they now have masseurs or masseuses, or whether the upstairs is for men or women. If I have to hazard a guess, I'd say it has gone all straight. This shop is at Sukhumvit Soi 23 (not to be confused with Banana Club the gatoey showbar on SIlom Soi 4.) Here's a photo from its Facebook page dated 19 December 2023:

I kinda share that feeling, which is why I haven't been back for 8-9 years. Venues are scattered around and with a bad traffic situation, diificult to get from one to another. No cheap public transport, at least not without haggling. Anyway, not a wide choice of venues. A bit like my opinion of Manila. Too scattered, too much trouble, too few attractions. Once you've done the temples, Doi Suthep and Doi Inthanon in your first trip, CM has nothing to offer in the day for subsequent trips. At least Pattaya has a beach.

At the professional massage places (what I call Type 1 shops in my blog) they will often ask, a little after they have begun, whether the pressure feels right. At such places, they commonly can speak basic English. If they can't, then three phrases can be employed to indicate your preference: "more strong please", "okay" and "ouch". At Type 3 and Type 4 places, there's no need to communicate about the massage. They do what they do, take it or leave it. And anyway did you go there for the massage, seriously? What communication is needed, especially in Type 2 and Type 3 places, is about "how much you tip me?". They often know the English words for numbers to understand your reply. Everything else may need to be in sign language if their English is non existent. I have tried using Google translate but with oily hands, the result is a bit of a mess.

Google Translate works reasonably well if you keep your sentences simple and short. Before your trip, practice with some common English sentences. Then copy the Thai translation and paste and translate it back into English. You'll soon discover what kinds of phrasing work and what do not.

When he's gotten all sweaty, he should circulate around the bar inviting customers to towel him off.

Actually, that alone opens a can of worms. If it is hard to draw the line between an effeminate cisgender and an MTF transgender, or the line between a butch FTM transgender and a run-of-the-mill cisgender male, where does "their own gender" begin and end? That said, it is also true that going by the numbers, the vast majority of people (cisgender for cisgender) are easy to classify. One has to reach into the edges to find contrarian examples. Oh, on a separate note, I am reminded of a story from decades ago when my body was more marketable and cruising saunas were more popular. There was a guy whom I met several times in a sauna and got to know platonically. I found him fascinating. He identified as straight; he was damn good-looking though in a late-30-ish way. But he was an exhibitionist. He liked being looked at. He had been to nude beaches and all, and found it unsatisfying. Why? because at straight nude beaches, it wasn't the done thing to LOOK. He found a home in gay saunas where, naturally, people looked. And looked. Lots of folks tried approaching/touching him but he hated it and pushed everyone away. There was one night when he jerked off to the great pleasure and applause (yes!) of the assembled crowd. Later I asked him what he had in his head as he jerked off with his eyes closed. "Tits, pussies, of course," he said. I can quite literally say he was in a class of his own.

Surely, if there's anything we've learnt from our adventures in Thailand, it is that the labels gay, straight, bi, etc that emanate from the West and its Judeo-Christian cultural history are pretty hopeless and oppressively reductive when it comes to sexual or romantic attraction. (And sexual attraction is itself a different thing from romantic attraction.) This is not to say, as some of the more woke people do nowadays, that there shouldn't be labels at all. Labels serve as easy descriptors - so long as they are used with as little value judgement as possible - but to properly account for the myriad tastes of real people, we'd need many. many labels than just the simplistic gay, straight and bi. And even if we had that wider range of labels, the reality for each person may be that two or three labels can apply at the same time. Just before I arrived at this thread, I was reading If nothing else, this was labelling gone mad. What the hell is an "LGBTQ" group in the above instance? Of course, this example is also of Thai journalism down the chutey again. As @vinapu has said repeatedly of our paramours-by-the-hour, what does it mean to be straight if they can rise to the occasion when in a cubicle with another guy? Earlier this year, a PBTH had to watch straight porn to get himself up, but when my mouth enveloped his member, the sucking sound (from him, not me) was almost like my hoover. He chucked aside the phone and never looked back. I remember too a guy who described himself as straight but loved toys and fingers in his butt (dicks were verboten though). After we lost touch, I heard he got married to a woman 10 -15 years older than him. I've never seen her, but I am told by another friend (a top-rated bitchy-mouthed queen) that the new wife looked like the classic dominatrix complete with a streak of white hair on one side of her tresses. There are plenty of men whose primary attraction is towards MTF transgenders, but who sometimes go with cisgendered girls. Mirroring them are men who do both MTF transgenders and cisgendered males, though yes, the latter skew to the more effeminate ones. In fact, as regulars in Pattaya will long have observed, even the line between transgender and cisgender is very blur. I have two friends who go gaga over Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan men, but see nothing attractive about any other racial group. Calling them "gay" does not even begin to capture the specificity of their tastes. "LGBTQ" and such simplistic labels aside, I love it as things are: the sheer exuberance of wildly varying tastes.

At least he didn't fall from the balcony to his death, like so many others have. It would have been a waste of a good penis.

Agreed. I have a 100% accuracy rate predicting the past.

But stamps are meant to be licked. Did he lick 🤣?

Not as easy as staying on the usual side of the river. The Gold line has much lower frequency than other lines. You may have to wait 10 -12 minutes for a train. (Same with ferry, maybe 15 minutes.) Elsewhere, the BTS runs every 4 or 5 minutes.

It's in Ermita; a rather impractical location in my experience.

Coupled with your report about a busy The One (formerly Tawan), this seems to be the new normal: wild swings in traffic from one evening to the next. If the stock market behaves like that, it's usually a bad sign. I reckon it's not a good omen for the bars too. Would be great if you also peeped into Fresh Boy, Hotmail's neighbour. I won't be surprised if one is busy and the other empty.

@Olddaddy has said the same thing several times. I think it's time for me to set the record straight. 1. I have never met him; 2. We have never communicated or exchanged messages (not even through PM of this forum); 3. I have never seen the inside of a jail (and the suggestion that I have is potentially defamatory). I think olddaddy has a hyperactive imagination. My unsolicated advice would be to take care not to miss your next appointment with your therapist 😆

Isn't a private dance (1000 baht) same as a groping opportunity? At least that's what I get in a western strip club. The "renting the whole room for 45 minutes" sounds suspiciously like full-on action. However, 10,000 baht (about US$295; €265) is steep.