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Agreed! The rule is far too onerous. Although the article was about the situation in Pattaya, I assume the same rule applies throughout the country. I simply cannot imagine the hundreds of thousands of restaurants and eateries all over Thailand implementing this.

Am I missing something? I thought the Test & Go scheme had already required a PCR test on Day 1 and Day 5 -- we have discussions on other threads about this -- and yet this news article seems to say that it's being newly imposed on such tourists in Phuket. Then this other part is also baffling: Bearing in mind that the sample size is small, two out of 17 Test & Go tourists tested positive -- that's 11.8%. From the Sandbox programme the ratio is 104 out of 2,439 -- that's 4.3%. Both percentages seem rather high considering that both schemes require pre-departure PCR negative tests.

There have been times when I could visualise myself dying on a massage table. It wouldn't be caused by choking, but by suffocation. What I am referring to are those massage tables that do not have face cradles. (Or they do have face cradles, but the estalishment insists on plugging and covering them up.) When you're asked to lie face down, you have to turn your face 90 degrees in order to breathe. After a while, the neck starts to hurt and so you turn your head back to its normal position, but then you find that your face is buried in the bed linen. Why can't establishments respect the value of face cradles and use them? By the way, face cradles have one unintended benefit. When the masseur is standing at the top of your head, e.g. to work on the neck and shoulders, his crotch is just 15 - 20 cm from your eyes and nose (through the cradle's lacuna). Bringing one's hands forward, the crotch is within easy reach and can be investigated for interest. Almost always the interest is soon apparent. 😂

Oh damn. For a brief moment I had hope that prices have been discounted from their pre-pandemic level in order to boost business. I totally forgot about the google camera translate function (it hasn't always proven useful). Using it now, I get a similar but slightly different translation. The 200 baht is desribed as "car per day", but the 150 baht is described as "drinking garden". Nonetheless, I reckon this is what it really means: 1. "Receptionist" is the boy who parades around in his shortest of shorts. He gets 200 baht for showing up and a 150-baht commission on any drink bought for him by a customer. 2. "Waiter" is as stated, he gets only 200 baht a day for showing up at work. Geez, if the latter works 26 days a month (i.e. only one day off a week), he earns only 5,200 baht. Furthermore, as shown in this chart, the minimum wage for Bangkok is supposed to be 331 baht per day. I guess that's why the 200 baht is not described as salary but as transport money. I can understand if the gogoboy is treated as a freelancer (since he can go off duty at any time once a willing farang is found, ibut it really doesn't pass the smell test to treat the waiter as a freelancer too, and not as an employee. I should remember to tip the waiter more than the mamasan. Then again, does the mamasan get 200 baht too??? Hmmm...

I am curious about this from their twitter. Can anyone who can read Thai translate for us? Are these the new drinks prices? I couldn't use Google Translate because it's an image not inline text.

Funny you should mention the Philippines. Just a few days ago, someone (work-related) was mentioning similar hopes, but was disappointed when he fould out that besides the usual pre-flight PCR test, the visitor is to be quarantined until anther PCR test on the 5th day of quarantine gives a negative result. And even then, he told me, there would need to be home quarantine for 2 or 3 more days. I haven't researched this myself but merely reporting what I heard. Nor have I any idea how home quarantine is to be enforced. I see you're hoping for rules to be looser by March, but somehow I doubt it. This story 5 days ago from Bloomberg says it is now Southeast Asia's worst Omicron surge. This will take tme to come down. It also puts you at risk for failing the PCR tests when moving on to Thailand.

I can see that happening more and more too -- for jobs that are "above board". I don't know how the government will be issuing work visas for sex work and related trades. To your question posed rhetorically above, "Will gay venue owners be prepared to continue operating with boys from neighbouring poorer countries"?, one should factor in legal risk. Now, one might make the point that many establishments already operate with majority (if not 100%) foreign staff, so why not in the future. That is one possibility; indeed the most likely possibility so long as the astonishing number of people doing pointless work in the immigration department continue the glorious tradition of being ineffective (or perhaps being on the take). In my view, such would be the best outcome, keeping Bangkok on my list of holiday spots. However, this will not mean that prices will remain where they are now. As the cost of living in Bangkok goes up, as Thai themselves (those still doing sex work) charge higher prices, so will the migrants. It's instructive to note for example that the Cambodian working in Thailand does not charge the same price as the Cambodian in Phnom Penh. The one is Thailand is charging similarly to the Thai guy.

We may be using the word “desperation” a little differently. I wasn’t referring only to abject penury, though there is that unfortunately, but to what might be described as relative desperation. By this I mean wanting a certain standard of living or lifestyle but with no other way to attain it except through sex work. The lads may indeed have options such as back-breaking work in the ricefields or as servers in humble provincial food shops, or pushing a cart around selling bananas. Such work may even provide an income that keeps body and soul together, and many young people will accept the wages that go with them. However, those that aspire to a better lifestyle and not adverse to selling their bodies may rule these humble options out, choosing the path of stripping on stage night after night, the risk of social shame and having to suppress their gag reflexes when customers, old enough to be their fathers, pick them. My point was that as wages for planting rice, waiting on tables and selling bananas rise in tandem with a tightened labour supply and generalised prosperity, the reward for stripping, social shame and suppressing gag reflexes must necessarily go up to be worthwhile. The "demographic doomsday" notwithstanding, Thailand’s sex scene may continue well into the future, but with quite different price points. This then raises the question whether that pricier sex scene will remain a draw for visitors; whether Thailand will remain a destination. After all, Japan has sellers of sex and massages at first-world price levels, and they have their buyers, mostly other Japanese. But it’s very hard to make a destination out of the Japanese scene. So, I was musing: what would be the price level for Thai (and migrant sex worker) sellers that would begin to turn off visitors? I don't know the answer; I was just thinking aloud. I agree we shouldn't overstate the success rate. I think we're likely to agree too that far more visitors to Thailand come as butterflies than as potential husbands, of both gay and straight kinds. This observation is even more pronounced when we look at the Asian segment of visitors which now forms the bigger portion. Secondly, your point is just putting my original point in a different way. The hope of landing a farang husband is simply a variation of the sex-work choice. It’s when they want a certain lifestyle but cannot attain it through regular work that they choose the sex work route. This can then lead to a fork in the road. Either, with luck, end up with a sugar daddy so that one does not have to strip on stage every night and suppress the gag reflex too often, while turning social shame into social capital, or - in the absence of luck - persevere at sex work for years on end, which must have been the case for the 40-ish gogo”boys” I have seen in several Patpong bars. I also wonder whether the farang husband species is disappearing. We’ve heard plenty of reports of the demise of Pattaya due to reduced farang traffic (Pattaya has never managed to attract enough gay Asian visitors to replace the vanishing farang). Bangkok survives because of the Asian traffic, but somehow I’ve yet to hear of an Asian sugardaddy for the boys. Such a species may well exist… I don’t know.

This labour shortage problem is a long time in the making. Falling birth rates need a 20 - 30 years to produce its effects on the labour force. 1991 was the year in which Thailand's Total Fertility Rate fell below the replacement level of 2.1 births per woman, and the TFR has fallen steadily since. It's exactly 30 years since that cross-over year, and now the effects will begin to show. With the gradual reduction of new entrants into the labour market, coupled with the steady economic progress the country has made, it cannot be surprising that job opportunities (or business oportunities for those prepared to venture out on their own) are aplenty, as the news story above says. With that, we can expect wages to rise. Sex work is the one area that is extremely sensitive to labour shortage and rising wages. Sex work tends to be performed by young men (and women) who have no other viable alternative for a livelihood; it is what in economics might be called a leading indicator for a tightening labour market and rising wages. To put it bluntly, there has to be a degree of desperation for a vibrant sex market to develop. That desperation began disappearing among young Thais at least 15 years ago, which was when I began to notice the appearance of Cambodians, Burmese and Vietnamese into the industry. Those of us making regular visits to Thailand will also have noticed the price inflation over the years. But a more interesting comparison can be made between the 2019 massage parlour prices in Phnom Penh, Manila and Bangkok. In Phnom Penh, they were asking for US$10 - U$20 as tip for one hour's service. In Manila, about US$20. In the same year, a typical massage parlour worker in Bangkok would have been asking US$30 - US$50. Go to Japan, and it's at least $150 (likely more -- others with more up-to-date information, please correct me if I'm wrong). The price spread says a lot about unemployment or underemployment in each country. If Thailand prices rise to approach Japanese or European levels, will Bangkok still be a destination? I doubt it, though it may be a while yet before Thai prices go that high. What I will find interesting to observe in the years ahead is whether Bangkok remains a destination but staffed mostly by lads from neighbouring countries, or whether other cities in the region with native supply of labour become the new destinations. Of course, political and moral climates will play huge roles too. The double whammy will be if Bangkok prices rise thus dampenng its appeal, but the scene in neighbouring countries does not take off because of regulation.

Not at all. I read every word. In fact, I looked forward to each installment. Thank you for brightening up these dreary, chaotic times with these wonderful tales of adventure.

Just curious about the ripped, muscly model-quality boys you have hired. You don't have to be specific but could you share a ball-park figure as to the rates they charge?

Not only have your reports gven me much vicarious pleasure, leaving me breathless at times, but I can only marvel at the stamina you have. Day after day, you do your utmost to contribute to Thailand's economy via what looks like an average of two or three boys a day. And you go on like this for over twenty days in a row! If it were me, my batteries would have run down long ago.

Here's hoping some old-timers can help me out here. Over the weekend, some friends and I were reminiscing about old times in the gogo bars of Bangkok. We recalled the really strange item on a bar's progamme where, in between displays of male flesh, often accompanied by foam, fire, glow paint and baptismal glory (hurray!), an elderly lady would appear, dressed in traditional silk finery, to perform a classical dance. My friends and I couldn't agree which bar it was that had this item. Anyone remember? One of us said she -- well into her seventies -- was an aunt of the bar owner and there was no way the owner could ask her to retire, however risible the mismatch of her dance was to gogo entertainment. Don't know whether there was any truth to that.

He directed Saint Jack too, filmed in Singapore in 1979, about hustlers making a living off American GIs having their R&R in Singapore during the Vietnam war. Kind of Patpong-ish, though somewhere in the middle of the film is a gay cruising scene. It's on youtube. Post-Vietnam war, you know the rest: Patpong flourished for decades more, the Singapore scene died. RIP Peter Bogdanovich.

While I don't quite consider myself a fearless traveller, the thing that has so far put me off making firm plans to visit is the risk of quarantine either in Thailand or on return, not the risk of catching Covid. This Bloomberg story dated 16 December 2021 says 43.8 million second shots have been administered, with another 4.4 million booster shots. Out of a population of 69 million, the 43.8 million with second shots represent 63%. The story further says that "At the current pace of vaccinations, the country should reach 90% coverage by March". Given these numbers, even if massage parlours don't visibly declare their staff to be fully vaccinated, the chance of meeting an unvaccinated person is low, and getting lower. I would also bear in mind that a vaccinated person can transmt the virus -- for why else do we have an Omicron surge in Western countries despite their high vaccination rate? It would therefore seem to be just a matter ot time before we bump into someone who is going to transmit it to us. Even people who have recovered from Covid-19 have come down a second and third time! I think we have to resign ourselves to the high likelihood that we will get it. The good news is that so far, Omicron appears, despite its high transmissibility, to cause less severe symptoms. Virologists would say this is entirely expected. Viruses tend to evolve towards greater transmissibility but lower lethality.

I dont know whether fake IDs is a common problem in Morocco or not, but going by a general rule that the more corruption a country has, the more possible that fake documents can circulate... However, what I was tyring to say was that knowing the probability of encountering fake IDs is quite irrelevant. Even if you could establish that someone is over 21 (not just 18), it still does not make homosexual relations with this person legal. And since it is not legal, you remain vulnerable to a shake-down. So, knowing about fake IDs or how to spot them doesn't really do much good. In Thailand for example, I wouldn't know how to spot a fake ID, but there are reports that these circulate. If I were to take someone back who looks borderline young -- in reality, this does not happen because borderline young are not my type -- I would be able to rely on the hotel reception to spot a fake for me. Many hotels require visitors to leave their IDs at the desk while the visitors are upstairs. I don't think I'd be able to do that in Morocco. It would only add one more party (the hotel receptionist) who could blackmail me. Yet without the aid of a local person verifying the ID, a foreigner would not have a reliable way of detecting fakes.

Vinapu - which soi is this on? I too notice the size reduction, but also that the front door, when open, has a direct view of the (tiny) stage. The old Tawan had a wall panel that blocks the line of sight, enabling the old bar to have explicit shows. This may not be possible in the new set up.

Phuket sounds better than I remember it -- though my memories are perhaps a decade old.

For homosexual acts, there is no age of consent. It is illegal for adults, though corruption being what it is, you may be able to get out of trouble if you're generous enough, as @msclelovr says. However, there are reports of the "boys" engaging in blackmail, precisely because it is illegal. It's they who threaten to bring in the police. Abiding by American law is pointless. In Morocco, you're subject to Moroccan law. In the US you're allowed to criticise your president openly and loudly, Try criticising the king in Morocco.

TUI's cancellation may not be linked only to the number of Omicron cases in Thailand. This sentence "some EU nations are already instituting quarantine for returnees from countries with the new variant" suggests that bookings are being cancelled because travelers don't want to be inconvenienced with quarantine on return. However, how serious a problem this is I can't say as I haven't been keeping track of which countries are re-imposing quarantine.

Vinapu was prescient! Why, I wonder, was Boyztown alive on Wednesday and dead on Thursday? Tea money still pending? Or was Wednesday's street show not actually within the rules?

The blue new location doesn't look like it can seat more than 6 patrons....

The picture above is just click bait, but the video itself is interesting in its own way. Perhaps those more familiar with the non-touristy parts of the city can tell us where it was filmed. It has English subtitles (I think machine-translated but good enough to get a sense of what it's about).

Here's reason to keep it up well into our senior years, helped by Viagra. A roaring sex life keeps you young in more ways than one Viagra could be used to treat Alzheimer’s disease, study finds US scientists say users of sildenafil – the generic name for Viagra – are 69% less likely to develop the form of dementia than non-users QUOTE: They found sildenafil users were 69% less likely to develop Alzheimer’s disease than non-sildenafil users after six years of follow-up. To further explore the drug’s potential effect on Alzheimer’s disease, researchers developed a lab model that showed that sildenafil increased brain cell growth and targeted tau proteins, offering insights into how it might influence disease-related brain changes. The findings were published in Nature Aging. Cheng cautioned that the study does not demonstrate a causal relationship between sildenafil and Alzhemer’s disease. Randomised clinical trials involving both sexes with a placebo control were needed to determine sildenafil’s efficacy, he said. Dr Ivan Koychev, a senior clinical researcher at the University of Oxford, who was not involved in the study, said it was “an exciting development” because “it points to a specific drug which may offer a new approach to treating the condition”. Read more here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/06/viagra-could-be-used-to-treat-alzheimers-disease-study-finds?fbclid=IwAR3NFEtwUhC0QY_oSMAYCwXZX-kTtMz4Hvxj81fs4Lf0-3-oQyXfEDkOp0o

You mean "lateral" is the Thai pronunciation of Ra (pid) An ti ge(n) test?