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Quick update: Friend 2 says Arm is back at 'work' ( finished with the next farang already ) and now #14

Hutchison - #13 got kind of 'busted' is probably the best way of describing it...Friend 2 caught him in transit between Issan & Pattaya most likely on the bus nearing Pattaya from what I gather of the time-line of events...so if not for that #13 would have just tried to carry on. Sounds like it was luck as much as anything that Friend 2 caught on that early.

williewillie - I would exercise caution when suggesting ALL boys in that particular bar are great. Hopefully we're all being careful and checking ID cards...

Hanan - #13's name (nickname) is earlier in the thread for just that reason.

Firecat - what your referring to was actually what I was trying to say in a way...in all likelihood the guy that #13 is now with will probably tire of him inside a few months would be my suspicion from the way things unfolded. However the guy that #13 left ( Friend 2 ) was actually really into him and is a fairy serious guy, people who are not serious don't help their BF's return to high school to finish off their education as a priority. Either way #13 has made a dash back to the bright lights of Patts and that's his choice. Rest assured I do see things from both sides though as have heard enough stories from ex BF's and 'dates / offs' of when things have gone wrong with their former farang BF's to last a lifetime...so I'm definitely not saying its always the boys fault. Speaking personally though I can honestly say I never finished up with one of my long term BF's for another guy, biggest issues were usually trust, communication and cultural and yes it IS very 'challenging' when your living in 2 separate countries. But do I regret any of those relationships...No...most of my ex's are still friends with me and I'm proud of what some of them have gone on to do.

Vinapu - No #13 Arm was not really terribly smart IMHO as he gave up a life of being VERY well taken care of by Friend 2 for a short term view...but that's often the way with young barboys, they think as far as the next party, whiskey, off...in my own experience things that go that way generally go bang again and the boy ends up eventually back at square 1. A smart boy takes the opportunity and does something better with his life...seen it first hand with some of my ex BF's who were with me for long term (as in years) and I'm still friends with, a few examples 1 left Pattaya and now works a very good job in the Airport at BKK 1 left Pattaya and now co-owns a large fruit plantation in Laos 1 left Silom and now works well know cabaret show in BKK In each case the boy was smart enough to get himself in a better place for when his looks eventually faded and he was less 'popular' on the stage. The truth is some boys are better than others, its as simple as that. Even the boys have their own opinions on who's quote a 'good boy' or not, when you spend more time around them they talk more to you about this. Its not so hard to work out if a BF's playing games or not eventually and the internet makes it a damn sight more easy. I would give decent mamasans more credit than to act on every accusation, if they've know you on & off for 5-10 years (the ones that stay in the job for that long) they know whether your a trouble maker or just telling it to them as it is. Speaking personally me..,in 20 years travelling and 17 years of those visiting bars not been outright 'robbed' by a boy I offed from bar or app. That is of course assuming I wasn't too mau mau to notice...but hence my surprise hearing 2 bad stories in quick succession about boys from the same bar.

Vinapu...the truth is a lot of people do not talk nor post about their bad experiences, human nature. I know pretty much all the current group of BT managers and mamasans and some of them I consider friends, over the years heard a lot of things from them about their own guys in private...there's good and bad everywhere. So no my generalization as you put it does not apply only to me.

Vinapu...#13 name is Arm (from Ubon), so that should avoid mistaken identity Bars themselves don't steal...agreed (unless they over-charge etc)...but I do firmly believe that those where there's a lack of discipline over their staff, you will find customers have more issues with boys. If the boys mess a customer around or steal from them and the customer tells the bar afterwards and the boys gets disciplined it keeps a certain amount of order. If there is no control from the managers, mamasans, waiters...the boys will think that they can get away with more bad behaviour.

Thanks Firecat I am fully aware these things occur all the time, but frankly in some bars these things are considerably less likely to happen then others. 20 years of travelling The Kingdom has shown me that much. A bar where a regular customer is more well known & respected plus the management exercise a little more discipline (e.g. Toyboys and in its day Funnyboys under mama Rose) would be a lower risk and than certain other establishments. Friend No.1 did not miss-place his money...the boy who stole it was out the next day re-equipping his wardrobe at some expense and tacity admitted it to my friend when gently confronted later... By the way what you refer to as 'gullible' in Friend 2 could also be considered kindness, there is a lot more to that story to back this up but frankly that's not for a forum. Thanks for sharing anyway.

Rarely post on here but a couple of negative experiences by friends have led me to do so about one particular bar... Friend 1 - took off cute Bottom boy from Kawaii bar, all went reasonably well...but after the boy had left my friend noticed that a bottle of expensive Cologne had disappeared plus a couple hundred in dollars. Friend 1 has been travelling to Patts for many years so perhaps should know better than to have unsecured quantities of cash in the room but neverless pretty brazen act of theft by the off. Friend 2 - hooked up with another guy from Kawaii multiple times, got to like him quite a lot so when said boy (No.13) expressed a strong desire to want to go home Issan and see the family he helped him do so. Over time they became BF's, all was well for a few weeks / month, the boy was helping his family look after his sick Grandfather and plans were afoot to continue his education. After a few weeks though the messages & contact slowed up (just after his BF had his bi-monthly support allowance funnily enough) and Friend 2 sensed something was wrong ..mid week they had an exchange of LINE messages that did not improve things. His BF then goes quiet no response, next thing Friend 2 notices that BF has blocked him on facebook and will not answer LINE messages or calls. Friend 2 manages to check out his BF's facebook page ( the same day he was blocked ) via another friend and notices that BF is now back in Pattaya already. So must have set off the day before at least as a days travelling from his home in Issan back to Patts, bearing in mind that his BF had been telling Friend 2 he'd been taking care of Grandfather who's suffering with cancer at the time... Further study of his BF's facebook pages determined that the boy has either a new / another farang BF and was trying to string things out keeping 2 BF's on the go. Whilst we all know this sort of stuff goes on all the time, its unusual for me to hear 2 very negative reports like this so close together about the same bar but different boys. I'm NOT a newbie myself i.e. 20 years of traveling Asia & LOS before the flaming starts...but I am curious to hear if anyone else has had similar experiences of the same bar recently.

To the OP...if you're 20 & keep yourself in shape then non MB encounters will not be a problem, as said above simply being polite & fun goes a long way also I will be in BKK in July also so give me shout if you want to join our group for the first time you hit DJ Station.

If you are 20 in July / August then try DJ Station in BKK (minimum age / entry requirement is 20)...plenty of nice non MB type guys there (although there are MB's there also) you can try your luck with. Great place to make new friends & dance the night away...but it is very busy at the weekends...IMHO that just adds to the fun though. Good luck

On our recent stay in Pattaya both myself & my Thai BF still much prefer NAB Still has a good energy about the place...tbh I find the drink prices bearable if there's a nice group of us & his Pals then a bottle or two of JW Red is the norm

Ok i'm going to jump in and ask a question here, great trip report....but are these boys ok with you posting their face pics on a forum? Appreciate you've been coming to Thailand for a long time (as have I) but most of the Thai boys I knew before current BF would be way to shy to permit this. Like I said...just a question not meant to inflame things.