alex303

Thanks for that, its appreciated...tbh think i'm going the AirBNB route now with a condo, but its good to know a decent hotel nearby in case i need a fallback.

Hi there, I'm heading off to Colombia in less than 2 weeks time, bit of a last minute booking after grabbing a direct flight from London to Bogota. Any suggestions for current good hotels in the 'Chapinero' area which are Joiner friendly would be much welcomed please? So far i've seen mentioned:- Holiday Inn express & suites Double Tree by Hilton A few other suggestions would be great. Thank you

Sorry guys but they do not ID check ALL farang...i go there every trip (sometimes several times a week) and i have never EVER been checked...i'm early 40's but usually get told i look younger (probably a lie), but every time i get to the metal detector (that never seems to do anything) and the little desk i just get waved thru, i am quite tall though and fairly well know in there so possibly just cause i'm a semi familiar face. To be fair i usually have a few asian guys with me & they always get checked irrespective of their age 20 or 30 etc. Worse case the lad gets turned away and he goes with his date to Jupiter to watch the show or something, no big deal really.

Thank you...that would be me...Spicy i started off in the Khao San years ago when i very first came to Bangkok (probably over 22 years ago now) I would say get a nice hotel in Silom / Sathorn...good tip if you want your chosen partner to over-night one with 2 rooms (bedroom plus living area is ideal) Lucky-boys is a great place to start the night & drink in the scene imho plus you won't feel pressured due to the size of the club DJ Station as others have said is definitely somewhere you could pick up, lots of horny young Asian guys looking for a farang for the night...or longer...lol, however one issue is your age as at 18 technically they should not let you in...its 20+....but security usually only check the younger Asians and not the farang so you might be able to slip in, worse case they'll just politely turn you away if they do ask to see ID. Khao San Rd is most definitely a fun place and you really should visit it at least 1x or 2x, its always buzzing and something going on...a few of my regular 'dates' that know me sometimes ask to go there and we'll just wander around a bit and take it in...grab a couple of drinks and join one of the partying bars for a bit. Usually spend a couple of hours there and then head back to Silom. If you are going with a friend then 22:00 - 00:00 probably best as can get a bit more 'edgy' after midnight as the booze takes hold of some people. Lots of my guys love it and i usually give them the choice and more often than not they'll pick there. You could slot it in before DJ Station...then head to DJ (just before midnight) for the last couple of hours, if you keep yourself in shape i doubt you'd be lonely by the end of the evening at your age! Enjoy! (i'll be there in 2 weeks too...can't wait)

To be fair DrimVoiz i've seen plenty of Trip reports that don't catch 'negative' comments, i don't often write reports of my own, but after reading & thoroughly enjoying others members reports earlier in the year inc Vinapu's i made the effort (first time in a long time tbh) to draft a detailed report and everyone was pretty friendly.

Challenge accepted...

Ok no problem i'll bite...just out of interest...as your comments above are clearly aimed at me...how many times have you visited 1) Thailand 2) Bangkok & 3) Silom to form these balanced & detailed opinions of these clubs? You've decided to set yourself up as source of knowledge for other newbies but the danger is your giving out BAD ADVICE. Your idea of a so called 'lesser club'...after the grand total of 1 visit to Silom may not necessarily align with others, your content to bang on about freedom...try giving out balanced reports without dishing clubs that you've barely spent a few hours in.

Yes that's true, but i'd suggest that's a different point Vinapu...not where i was coming from, ok lets look at it a different way 1 group of people drive a BMW 3 series 1 group of people drive a BMW 7 series The 7 series is a better car, but does that make the people inside it better...no...we both know that...the people in the 7 series might 'think they're better, but that's just their snobbery Inside each group yes absolutely we might like or dislike the people individually, and in that respect yes i'd agree with your point as the guy who sets your pulse racing when you spot him on stage for the first time may well be different to the one that excites me. Of course if its the same guy...its a race to see who can get him a drink first!!

I would say that varies in my experience, they might 'push' for more (and there's no harm in that) but its up to the individual to say Yes or No, also if they decide that they really want to go with you...or a friend of theirs in the bar whom you've gone with already has provided a good 'reference or report' on you that features in their decision making process to.

Me personally i don't particularly agree with the terms like 'lesser clubs' or 'premier boys', we all like different things / people / places. Those terms imply Elitism which is unnecessary in this scene, a boy who works in Freshboys is no better or worse than a guy who works in Dreamboys. What matters are the character & mannerisms of the guy in question and how they treat you on your 'date' with them. Agreed TIP levels are up to the individual, but I know plenty of guys who are delighted with 3K+ overnight for Long-time in BKK...mainly because they know they'll have a fun night in DJ Station, the Khao San rd or some other type of BKK nightlife along the way (we rarely sleep before 5am), so the 'fun' matters to a lot of them as well. If they know your a 'fun' person to be with for many that will count in their assessment of you too.

Sorry but i have never in many visits to 'Lucky-boys' since they opened seen their line-up as 'apathetic'....thanks unfair and frankly miss-leading to other newbies who might read your posts if its your first visit in that bar? Lucky-boys has plenty of fun / nice guys who will happily engage with you (i've offed plenty from there)...last trip had several sat with myself & another forum member plus their friends came floating by to chat too. The issue is...its a big bar so depending on where you sit its not easy for them to see you from stage.

Just a friendly suggestion...but most people keep their Trip Reports (for the same visit) together in 1 thread, saves choking the board up with loads of threads for basically the same topic. Have fun in LOS!

Bear in mind those guys can change numbers during the year, Viet's especially all head home at Tet...or at other times to help family etc...some for a month or so, when they get back new number allocated. I know the guys in Screw-boys well, its my 'go to' bar in Patpong and been caught out by that before.

Me personally I've never had any hassle from the Mama's in Screw-boys, if anything they go out of their way to make sure I'm happy, if I need them...they're around but other than that I just sort myself out or one of my regular Viets will give me a few tips on who they think i'll like (although that's generally one of their newly arrived friends that they're trying to 'pimp me out' to...lol) I would also add a note of caution that please don't expect that every guy you come across will want to engage in 'wild patron-boy' action inside the bar, they're often within eye shot of their friends and don't want to loose face in front of them. They're all different and from different back-grounds and some would much prefer to engage in action with you in the privacy of your nice condo / hotel room rather than a gogo bar.

As several other posters said above...those 3 bars are renown for their Twink type guys, or what I refer to as 'Pocket Twinks / Swimmers body' types...not heavily muscular. Generally if the guys want to build themselves up they'll move on from those bars to say Jupiter where they know there's more chance of getting an off with that type of look. Plus as the wise old saying goes...'it aint what you got...its how you use it'...me personally I'm much more interested in the whole package as in nice body but also good character / fun personality and 'good heart' as the Thai boys would say.

From what I have read & heard I don't think a lot of them paid up front...often a case of a debt that then has to be worked off, in many cases it leads to them being taken advantage of in the UK and treated like indentured labour (at best). In terms of how they get through it appears the use of refrigerated trucks by the people smugglers is a VERY dangerous attempt to try hide them from the body heat scanners they have at the ports to scan trucks, also that port they came through handles commercial / cargo primarily as far as I know. Anyone who preys on people to that extent must have a very very dark soul that's all I can say.

I live less than 15 miles away from the port where those poor people were found so fair to say 'I'm on the Ground here'...as DivineMadman wisely said 'feelings are raw' especially for those of us who have deep and meaningful links with the Vietnamese community. I don't think its wrong to say that these people were murdered effectively...at very least manslaughter and last time I heard that's in line with some of the charges the gang (they've rounded up so far on the UK/European side) are being charged with. If you place 39 human beings in a refrigerated container with limited air supply and they die, I think its fair to say you had more than a hand in their deaths. A lot of those young people who started out on that journey by all accounts thought they had some type of 'VIP ticket' and probably never expected to find themselves in that life or death type situation, but I suspect by the time they were confronted with it i.e. getting in the truck or not...in that situation having travelled so far they must have felt immense pressure to continue on.

Thanks for sharing this, very enjoyable and honest read and I wish both you and Bangkok guy the best with your future!

Same as that...if I call him over and sat for any time Drink+Tip (if not offing him) Drink+Off/Tip(if offing him) But bear in mind not all bars have same layout...in Screwboys there are 2 areas that the boys hang-out in IF they're not full of customers so if your in their space effectively sometimes you'll find more just plonk themselves down near you chatting to your chosen boy and you...its friendly like that. Then it gets more grey...but typically if another boy is chatting to me and my boy and we're just laughing / messing around i'll make sure the 2nd or poss 3rd / 4th boys get 100 bhat Tips when I leave, sometimes might buy more boy drinks. Just depends on how fun things are. Its just a judgement call and being fair minded...the mamas will not hasstle you or the 2nd, 3rd/4th boy if its one of the areas they hangout in and you have a boy with drink already.

Day 14 (BKK – the last night) We didn’t get to sleep until 5am the night before so those Viet paws we’re still in cuddling mode till 1pm then next day. ‘W’ sleeps soundly…especially when he’s in a nice big comfy bed. I woke up a bit earlier and was just messaging pals on my phone and checking Apps whilst he dozed on. ‘S’ the Viet spotted me online in Messenger & started gently enquiring if he could come over but with the bed still occupied by 55Kg of prime snoozing Viet already I thought best to wait and told him honestly…his friend still sleeping, they’re pals and he’d know he was staying overnight so no point in lying to these guys. As a point of fact…I find Viet’s less jealous than their Thai cousins and will almost encourage you to go with their pals in many cases as they see it as helping the wider group…handy for us! Anyway at some point ‘B’ from Hotmale on Day 2 started messaging me too…also wishing to pay a visit to discuss world economic affairs no doubt! I thought better get the day going!! As it’s my last full day in LOS. ‘W’ was stirring so I gently enquired if was hungry…usual sleepy reply ‘little bit’. So half an hour later we were playing around in the shower with me soaping up and admiring his gorgeous butt for what I knew would be the last time for a few months. Sorted ‘W’ out his usual LT (overnight) Tip plus a bit more as last day and went for breakfast to get fuelled up. Got a lovely genuine hug from a very warm / caring boy and then we both went our separate ways. The cleaners in Bandara had kindly tidied away most the evidence of last night’s hanky panky and ‘B’ was clamouring to come over so invite duly issued and about 1 hour later he turned up. Nice couple of hours just chatting and playing around, he really is one very nice affectionate boy too…another lucky find. Has been living in BKK for a few years, but not all jaded by it like some. 2nd time around was definitely better too, these guys definitely give a bit more when they get to know you. We both cleaned up and chatted more on the sofa, then he (ST tip in hand) departed to go meet a pal to settle up some minor debt. By now my phone was vibrating with more messages from ‘S’ who’d woken up…been to the Gym and was feeling horny. S’ came over late afternoon / early evening, known him for about 18 months and my lord the Gym work really is starting to pay off now, has a lean body like an Olympic swimmer, still seemed very happy after his drink with pals the night before. Definitely looking the hottest I’d seen him in some time, tbh on stage in Freshboys 2 when he works always stands out for me. He grumbled quietly that it had been some time since we’d been together so I duly hopped into the shower for the 4th time that day (more to be polite to him) than I actually needed one and when I came out…was greeted by the heavenly sight of ‘S’ stretched out naked on the sofa, showing off his tight wash-board 6 pack and encouraging his man-hood to life, this promptly encouraged mine also for the 2nd time that afternoon so I led him to the bedroom and we had a hour of rediscovering what each other likes. Think again probably one of the best sessions I’d had with him in some time but perhaps his way of saying thank you for the fun the night before. Clearly I need to visit that little bar more often! We cleaned up and he wanted to go get his hair cut & styled before work so gave him usual ST tip plus bit extra for his hair and meds as he was still recovered for a cold few weeks before. I’m probably too soft but hey it made him happy and I got some nice pics of the haircut and a happy smiling ‘S’ afterwards. Napped for a couple of hours then headed for Screwboys around 21:30, none of my regulars around yet so had a drink with a tall good looking Myanmar boy…says he ‘man and 33 years old…but looked 25 tops (amazing)’ but desired to do all sorts of ‘un manly’ things to me. Whilst tempted by his generous offer (a squeeze of his package suggested he could certainly deliver on his promises) I had promised ‘B’ in Luckyboys I’d come see him so around 22:00 I settled up and dispensed some Tips then headed for Lucky. The stage at Lucky was heaving with talent again, still spotting new faces in the guys too…lord if only I had another week I thought…lol. ‘B’ was on stage but I could feel his eye’s tracking me and a flick of the laser pen by mama and he was over and perched next to me looking rather hot as usual, did I say already those black pants really seem to suit the guys in there. Quick chat with ‘B’ to check he’s still good with our arrangement as my last night I’d asked him to stay with me to till the morning when the taxi came. Quick nod of that cute head and he headed off to get changed whilst I settled up, gave Viet mama a double Tip as my last night to which got a big hug and off I headed with ‘B’. We settled on hotmale beer bar so he could relax and I could check out the Soi plus we wanted to go DJ Station later so no point going too far away. Mama Kai spotted me and tried to get me to go into Hotmale to off ‘B’ there, I just ducked in to give him a hug goodbye to be polite and another red note. To be fair B’s been messaging me every other day since I’ve been home so cool guy imho. Downed our drinks and getting near 23:30 decided to head to DJ Station but as we headed down the steps from Hotmale I had an idea and grabbed ‘B’ and headed to Screwboys, just inside the door I called for ‘W’ and he came over smiling but looking confused as saw I had ‘B’ with me, I said you wanna come DJ too and gave him his bar fine…he looked more confused then said ‘oh for mama’ then smiled broadly (no drinks etc as was in a hurry and spur of the moment). Quick nod affirmative and he went to get changed, so about 5-10 mins later the 3 of us headed out along Patpong 2. I’d said to ‘W’ quietly on the way was just an ‘off’ for dancing etc and only ‘B’ would come back…he was happy at the idea of a fun night. DJ was queuing back into the little Soi, once we got in I led the boys upstairs, we just linked hands so they didn’t get lost as threaded our way thru the crowds. Heaving on the Ground floor but bit more space on Level 1 so cashed in half our drink chits and went to the balcony…’W’ had been to DJ before with me so was happily taking it in…but ‘B’ was having a blast and dancing away at the balcony (his first ever visit there). From my other offs / reports you may recall that ‘B’ basically can’t drink much alcohol…I think he started off on Heineken then switched to Bacardi lemon after he saw me drinking one. After that his dancing became wilder…then an hour later was like the Energizer bunny had run out of steam, and he had to sit down. I was keeping half an eye on the boys and flitting to / fro between the Toilets for a quick cruise, escaped the clutches of 2 Thai guys who appeared to want a 3some. Fun night though (few pics), at some point noticed ‘B’ definitely flagging so we called it a night at 01:30 and went to re-fuel at Foodland, even just on the walk to Foodland though ‘B’ was going more down-hill…but I thought just hungry / tired. Dinner was rapidly demolished by my hungry comrades, I was chatting with ‘W’ then looked to my side and ‘B’ was just slumped in his chair dozing off…wtf…he didn’t have THAT much to drink….only 2-3 small beers and 1 breezer. Then the penny dropped as when I was younger we used to mix strong beer with alcho pop’s type drinks like lemon Breezers and make ‘Power Shandy’….basically a damn strong shandy that would get you drunk pretty quick. I think the drinks had mixed on him in his stomach and had same effect, just he was’nt used to it. W pointed out B’s head was getting lower and lower so we settled up swiftly then just managed to get him to his feet, he kinda woke up as we got him up but bleary. I pushed ST tip into ‘W’s back pocket and we headed for the door. A taxi was just coming up that narrow Soi so I stopped it…and we bundled ‘B’ into the back of it. I gave ‘W’ a hug and promised to message him later then jumped in the taxi and headed off. In the taxi ‘B’ suddenly said….’oh W not come back with us’ and I said no…I offed him just for dancing with us, he seemed to pick up a bit at this point then the penny dropped…he must have thought I was trying to organize a 3some with his friend…lol 3some with two pals who know each other …never a good idea in my book and clearly he’d thought so too. Back in the condo he perked up a bit and we laughed about it, bit of rolling around on the sofa then he suggested a shower as was getting tired again. I left him to have a bit of his own space in the shower, he emerged while later towel wrapped around him showing off his glorious pocket muscle twink bod but still red face / shoulders from the drinks but looking better. I gave him a paracetamol to help cool down a bit and left him to chill on the bed whilst I went to freshen up, came out 10 mins later and there’s ‘B’ stretched out on the bed absolutely out like a light. Oh well I’d had enough fun that day so best to let him sleep. Shut the bedroom door gently and went to finish my packing so ready for the taxi. After 30 mins I heard this ‘rasping’ noise coming from the bedroom so ducked back in for a quick…lol was just ‘B’ now gently snoring his head off…oh well no action tonight then!

True...but I think those commissions are quite modest...like 20-40bhat, often see a Boy who gets an off pass his chit to a pal who has not

There's often more than 20/25 guys in Screwboys, at the busy weekends I've seen that stage heaving (literally) plus with boys sat on the lower stools also....last Christmas easily 35-40 which in a small bar like that is quite a sight!

I could believe that to be one of the reasons as with the size of Luckyboys the AC is quite full on in there, boys try going to work...get caught in rain (with recent BKK weather) and next thing are freezing in the AC, in Screwboys they sometimes get away with turning off the AC unit nearest the stage sometimes when its quiet...there's usually a running battle between Boys & Mamas turning it on/off (funny to watch)

Screwboys is more laid back imho than some of the other Patpong bars...e.g. both Freshboys 2 and Lucky attempt to keep the boys away from you until you call them over. Screwboys don't really worry about that and the boys will happily come over of their own accord if they recognize you and sit down for a chat. But yes calling a guy over during a show is a good call (unless he's hungry & waiting for the break to get his dinner)...treat them with respect and you'll have a lot of fun.

That's interesting as that's the 2nd Viet I've heard about this week that's moved on from Luckyboys...something to do with days off my guy said (as in not working) Must be a lot of competition on those stages as the moment