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One thing that you might consider is that in order for the extortion to work the person arrested has to want to be somewhere else in a hurry. For instance, you must need to return to your own country to go to work, or just get back to their family. Should I be caught in such a scheme, I would just wait them out until I got a lawyer who would get me bail. I would much rather spend the money fighting it, and my time writing letters and embarrassing the BIBs all that I could, rather then pay them off. The worst they could do would be to deport me, and while I would hate that, that is still better then letting them extort money from me.

That is not a bad idea. I am puzzled at why he got so upset. Why would he think you would be alone just waiting for his call? As another poster pointed out you are not that bad looking, and I just find it hard to believe that any gay guy in Thailand would expect you to be alone late on any given night. Something seems wrong with this whole picture. This boy does not sound that charming to me.

Two Things, I love REM and that song in particular, and with all the people from the Middle East coming to Thailand wouldn't it be better to get a multi stem Hookah so we don't have to pass back and forth.

Yes, I will come down as I always enjoy a party and this sounds like a good opportunity to meet some of the posters and help out with a good cause at the same time. I need a little information, as the place I stay is often booked way in advance. This will be on October the 12th? Any events before or after to go to? Duhhhh, think I will check out the calender.

One thing I do not understand is why having a boyfriend, you have no intention of leaving and yet having sex with others. makes you a some kind of slut. As long your BF is okay with this arrangement, and you are both up front about it with each other, how does that diminish what you feel for each other or make your love for each other any less real? That said, I think it is noble of you to worry about hurting this guy. Yes, I read that you desire him a lot, but you don't want to hurt him. Duhhhh, haven't you already answered your own question? Yes, tell him about the BF and explain your relationship is open, and you each see other people from time to time. Just stop there, there is no need to pop a question about sex. At the end of your dinner invite him somewhere like a good cabaret or Karoke bar or some other public place that he might enjoy. Somehow, I think during the evening you will find out if he is still interested. If he seems to be you can go for it with a clear conscience, if not you have had a delightful evening.

For those not familiar with Seattle, WA., USA we are known as the rainy city and the normal temperature this time of month is in the mid 70F (24C) in the day and down to 50F (10C) in the night. From Vancouver Canada---hello smiles---to Seattle we have had 5 straight days over 100F (38C) with Vancouver reaching 107F (40C). Every record for both cities has been broken and we have monitored temperatures for over 100 years. Seattle has now gone for 20 days with no trace of rain, and we are opening community centers, libraries and other public buildings until 9:00 PM at night. What is really bad is that very few non-public buildings have any air-conditioning at all, as under normal circumstances you never need an air-conditioner in Seattle. The good news is that I will not have temperature shock when I reach Chiang Mai. The bad news is that we are starting to have people die. In the meantime New York which is usually hotter then Hades this time of year has constant rain storms and a high of around 70F (22C). My reason for posting all of this is to ask, climate change or just freaky weather?

That is it. We use to have a very famous cabaret in Chiang Mai call Simons and I would bet Simone in Pattaya was a copycat. I stand alone here but I do like the shows, as not all the performers are ladyboys. Most of the shows I see have a mix with some really good looking guys--sort of like Monte's show and I do hear the Venue is doing well(?) with its lady boy show.

Ha, ha, I think I got it. I am going to start practicing both tossing a ball and doing hoops. I do hope this is for a good cause, and do we get to place something exciting in the tank? Ohhhh, say like a shark?

Yes, I arrive in LOS on 2 September direct to Chiang Mai from Seattle via Soul. However, I really do not do three ways

I guess I am really old, but I remember when gay activism was a function of the gay "court". Remember Stonewall was mostly lady boys and their BFs from the NY court. In many big cities the court is still active but in a much diminish role. While I did not join in in their pagentry, I have always enjoyed their type of cabaret shows with all the lip syncing, and vamping. I have always seen these shows as just people having fun, and I am reminded that the word and even the idea of "camp" came out of these sometimes silly shows. I too get up and leave with the show is a JO or sex show. Just not my style, but I do not see anything wrong with others enjoying it. Now I will admit that a lot of the shows in LOS are not that good, but just seeing the effort some of the "boys" go to if often worth it to me. In Chiang Mai we used to have a really great cabaret show with first class sets and performers, but alas it grew stale and lost its creativity, but it was a great show. Different stokes for different folks (no pun intended).

First off thank you for the kind words. Secondly, I could have been a little less combative myself. . I think it is time to forget about it and move on, your apology accepted and mine in return proffered to you.

A very good idea if you can afford it. The owners English/Thai are two of my favorite people and know all the best places and business people in Chiang Mai. Wonderful place with large rooms, a great garden, close to everything I mentioned, and yet very quite and peacefully secluded at the same time. Here is their web site: http://www.pjs-place.com/

I have been staying in Chiang Mai two months of the year for the last five years and I am moving there permanetly in one month. I will be glad to help, but only if you promise not to paint my toenails. Okay to take your questions one at a time: 1. Most of the gay night life has moved to the Chang Phuak, Huey Kaew, and Nimmanhemin Road area of the city and all three have many great rentals, restruants, and shopping areas to enjoy. I would especially recommend the last two areas to live in. 2. The best place to rent a car or bike for long rental is POP3 on Mun Muang road (which lies just to the west of the Taipai gate} and about 3 or 4 blocks north from the gate. Ask the price for one month rental, then say I want a special rate for 3 months and bargain. See the lady with the bad eye--if possible. For a quick fast--but more expensive rental--try Buddys accross the street from the Central Kad Suew Mall on Huey Kaew Road. 3. Most rental agents want a 12 or 6 month lease. Forgive me for giving unwanted advice, but I would strongly suggest that you rent for at least one year before buying a place. I agree with your assessment on BKK and Pattaya, but Chiang Mai is very different and seems to attack a whole different group that may not be your cup of tea. Nevertheless, here is a list of property specialists---some of whom have short term rentals. Do not take the asking price, you are expected to bargain and some web sites even tell you that. http://www.chiangmaihouse.com/ http://www.jasminehomes.co.th/index.php http://www.houseinchiangmai.net/ http://www.chiangmailiving.com/ http://www.sunbelt-chiangmai.com/ If you need anything else, and I can help do not hesitate to PM me on this or one of the other message boards as I always use the same name. Good luck and hope this helps.

That is weird, I ate at a Beccofinos in Florence, and it was delicious. Are they a chain, or is that a common name for Italian restruants?

Yes, but when you stop laughing you might just tell me why when someone says you take disagreements personal, and you tell them that is nonsense, and they reply no that is what I see, their disagreement, becomes a personal attack. I would love to hear an explanation. Let me guess this is were you say I don't have to explain anything to you or anyone else.

Okay here we go, what did I specifically say that was a personal attack? Please be exact as this is what you often do with discussions when someone disagrees with you, you turn it into a personal attack against you. Also, nowhere did I say I did not like LMTU supporting you, quite the contrary, I appauled it and still do.

If the idea is nonsense, then why do I see you continue to do it. You have been around a lot longer then the other moderators, but I do not remember a message board being that much of a part of your other board. As long as you argue and debate as a poster and not the man who deletes people who disagrees with him then I have no problem with your rantings. I am sorry that someone threatened Gaythailand, but that is just another example of the anger you arouse in some people. I am glad that you have LMTU supporting you. A really great reference to have. You must be very proud of that.

After all the bitching it is time to say some positive things. 1. Your response is to the point, and over all excellent, and you have cleared up my understanding of your earlier response. I totally agree debate is fine--name calling is out. That must have been some great massage. LOL 2. Your new board format is outstanding and does make this board easier to use. 3. I am glad to see that there are other moderators and that you will take a more active hand, in between trips to Babylon. . (Remember, I am still stuck in the states.) 4. The whole debate has been a learning experience for me, and I hope for others. If we did not disagree from time to time we would not be human. A place where we can disagree and discuss our difference in a civilized manner is really what community is all about. It is my hope that this board will continue on the path to becoming that special place that is the heart of any community.

I find it interesting that you have never met GB. One of the main reasons for some of the policies is that he is so well known in the community and there may be a backlash against him if something was said about illegal activity in the bars. No one on this board that I know of has any problem with GT. He seems to be a very nice guy. You are one, if not the finest moderators on all of the boards, but you have your own board, I would ask that you spend more time here and see what really goes on. To give you an example our latest spat has attracted comment on Baht stop where people are afraid to post their comments here. http://www.baht-stop.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6715&hl= I further agree that GB has provided the community with a lot of information and done a lot of good over the years, but when you reach a point where good people are leaving the board because anyone who dares to disagree with the moderator is put down and told to leave before the door hits them in the ass, then you have a problem. I enjoy many of the posters on this board and find the owner's continuing story of his life in Thailand to be interesting and informative, but I too am ready to leave if things do not get better. Yes, it is a thankless job, but you and others do it without the constant turmoil and anger that occurs all to often on this board with the moderator often the instigator, not the moderator, of it. If I can get their permission I will name two people who regularly visit Ting and Tong with no problems, who will not post here because of the above. When I am settled in CM, I may very well take you up on your offer to try moderating a board (assuming you still need help as your board seems to have no problem attacting good people to be moderators). If I do, you and not GB, will be my model to emulate.

Just a couple of questions. Who is TLP? I never knew we had another moderator. You have hundreds of names in your member list. Where did all these people go to and why did they disappear? You suggest if we do not like a post to say nothing. I am not familiar with the South, but wonder how any community can be so homogeneous. Diversity is one of the things that made America great. Diversity makes us listen to others and realize we (our particular group) does not have all the answers. Diversity requires we have an open mind, and it requires that we treat others with a certain degree of respect, but it does not require that we stay silent when we hear or see something that is wrong by our standards. In my own labored way I am trying to understand exactly what you are suggesting when you say if we do not like something just do not read it. Can you elaborate just a little? As to not saying anything about illegal activity in a bar, I concur with that 100% and appreciate having that as a simple, easily understood and hopefully consistent rule.

Darn, I am surprised. Many Americans I know watch BBC news as it is far better then the network news we see in America. I have never checked out their weather, but I have long appreciated their outstanding analysis of world events. I also do read the NY Times, but now I am curious what you Brits read or listen to if it is not the BBC?

To take the points highlighted in order: 1. Much better then "don't let the door hit you in the ass", but still totally not necessary. There is absolutely no reason to say this. 2. I never asked you to post libel. What I asked and still ask for is consistency. You said NO businesses could be spoken ill of, and then when Gaythailand gave a bad restaurant review you changed it to bars only. One set of rules is not to much to ask. 3. You do and you will, because at some basic level you think you own this board.

Normally you are a pretty nice guy, but you have not been on this board. I am not trying to get you to do anything. I am discussing the subject with you. To disagree with you on this board is to attack you in your mind. I would ask you what the heck is wrong with you or do you always act that way? The only thing Lawrence did wrong was to disagree with you--the way I am doing--and you told him "not to let the door hit him in the ass", and then locked the thread. That was not only wrong but against the rules as posted. Be angry at me all you want, but in doing so you are sounding more and more like a petulant child and not a represenative of the board owner. You are the moderator of this board and not the owner, and you should not be above the rules as posted on this board. I know the following about Lawrence: 1. He is active on other boards under other names and had no real problems with anyone else. 2. I know him to be have a long term relationship with a Thai. 3. I know he is active in doing charity work and giving back to Thailand. 4. He plans to retire here and he is just the type of settled long term farang Thailand needs. 5. He is not someone I would even begin to consider telling to leave and "not let the door hit you in the ass." So I guess you are right after all, I am trying to get you to do something, and that is to act the way you do on Pattaya Passion and drop your "don't let the door hit you in the ass" attitude.

Mia culpa

1. Gaythailand stated he was going to contact a lawyer. "To help clear things up on this matter, I will make an appointment with a Thai law firm to find out the laws on libel in Thailand." What happened to that. Guess I will try to PM him since he seems to be hit and miss on reading this board. 2. I feel the need to quote you on picking up underage in the bars where you said, "Technically you are right, but a law is not a law unless it is enforced", and went on and gave dozens of examples in many countries. 3. Actually I see nothing wrong with telling people on this board not to post libel, but the "start you own message board" is unecessary and nasty and none of us need to hear that kind of snide comment. Yes, I know you are not running a popularity contest and you really don't care what we think of you etc., but I keep thinking you are suppose to be representing GayThailand on this board, and not yourself when you give replies like that.