KhorTose

Aren't you kind of jumping the gun. Pun intended. As of this moment all the facts are not in. However, in answer to your question you could not carry a gun to your place of worship in Wisconsin as they do not issue concealed permits to carry, and the shooter apparently used a normal semi-auto rifle. Meantime in England one of your dangerous buses killed 23 Angolian football fans. Get those damn buses off the road.

I loved Macbeth, the play we had to do in the 12th grade. One of the things I loved was the scenes with the witches---done best by Piolanski. Here Aleppo is mention. However, Koko's answer made me think and I did cheat and looked it up and he is also right.

In real life if someone physically or verbally assaults me I have recourse to defend myself and get in his face. Not on a board. Don't get me wrong I really can ignore that kind of anonymous assault, but what about the nut who starts posting personal information, I won't ignore that and need a mod to get rid of that. Any idiot can see that there are subjects---especially on a political board--that you would not like the Thai authorities to hear you espouse;. Then there are the commercial messages. The boards are free and I need a mod to remove the unwanted advertisement. Also, what about the man who uses several board names to attack you, is that fair. Finally what about the nutcase who post 50+ messages a day and destroys every thread with his spamming. Truthfully, I don't think you gave any thought at all to your message. Sorry, but it is somewhat insulting and dumb.

Good, I don't have to say what I think, you have done it for me. Thanks. I too hope for a hands off moderator.

The owner is posting on Facebook today and seems to be in good spirits with no mention of a raid. http://www.facebook.com/Nikky.O2C

I've checked, no news yet, but will let you know.

Mainly because there were people higher then him (I am being discreet) who asked for this war and supported it. I am not sure I can give the quotes (they exist) on any Thailand board, In truth this is really just an extension of Nixon's war on drugs.

Yes, baht stop is sort of back with a message basically asking if anyone wants to take it over and be the moderator. I am making the assumption that the old mod/owner is definitely no longer available and this is someone connected with him/her looking for someone to take the board. http://www.baht-stop.com/forums/index.php?app=members&module=messaging&section=send&do=editMessage&topicID=564&msgID=592

His name is Danny Boyle and he is best know for slum dog millionaire. However, I have been his fan since trainspotting, 28 days after and sunshine. He makes movies that are different, brilliant with mostly unknowns and they are usually great. I think his only bad film was The Beach with Dicaprio.

No charge Bob, unless you want to learn the secret of the vibrator function. That will cost you.

About time someone said this.

My Thai bf buys IPhone because it is hiso. People who want more then a name buy the Samsung. Dollar for dollar the best phone out there and I have owned both Iphone and Samsung.

On Hattfori that is exactly what i meant. If the court gave his family a judgement then the shooter has to pay or declare bankruptcy. Did you look up what he did? On Christian PFC see PM. I am taking it back to 1774 at the start of the revolutionary war. Not even close, especially when you count the civil war. You do not even have to factor in a per-capita average to get far more deaths by war. Highly selective of you to take only 12 years. I think cars do have something to do with it as it is the same logic. Gun control is just another form of prohibition Just like alcohol and drugs, prohibitions do not work. You want to ban guns, drugs, alcohol, locking knifes, etc. all you do is turn many honest productive people into crooks and worst then that you encourage real crook to go underground and make a fortune bypassing dumb laws that people will not obey for a number of personal reasons. Our jails are full to bursting now with all the laws passed for our own good, and what gun controllers will do is make a man who buys a gun to protect his family from the crooks, into just another crook. Not right, not workable and strongly interferes with personal freedom. The day anyone can show me where banning guns does provide a benefit to society based on real statistics I might reconsider. But the facts are plain, no such benefit exists. I am keeping my guns

Come on now, I am sure I can come up with thousands of examples of wrongful death by drunk drivers and the cars and drunks are still on the road. The insurance only paid 100,000 because that is their normal liability on home owners. Did you check for the civil suit against the owner? For the record, I do not agree with "stand your ground" laws. As far as I know they are in only in a few Southern-arch conservative- states.

Your are way wrong. Wars have killed far more people then civilian gun deaths in America. Nlot even close. No, it is not a complot of others, but do to the fact most Americans have low self-esteem and are f...sticks, which makes as much sense as what you wrote and sounds more like what you would have liked to have written..

Not self defense, It is very convenient if you target shoot. Not hard to shot 1000 rounds in a two hour session. By the way, I too buy my ammo on the internet, 1000 rounds at a time. Why? It is a hell of a lot cheaper that way, even with shipping. Yes there are a lot of misinformed people including some smart politicans like Bloomberg. Remember he is from a state that did a gun ban years ago. Funny New York has a terrible crime rate with guns involved, and a New York police force that unconstitutionally stops and frisks its citizens (unconstitutional according the the ACLU). Not really a good example of a man who believes in the Constitution. Yes he is for Gay rights---he needs their votes.

Actually for most semii-autos like the AK47 or the armalite m15 or m16 there are 100 round clips. I had a mini 30 (30-30 caliber) and there were 100 round clips for that. Yes, guns are designed to kill if you are a hunter or a murderer. But they are also designed to protect you and your family from that murderer or for sports like target shooting. It still comes down to the fact that cars do kill four or five times more people then guns, and yet we still have cars. Thus the meaning of guns do not kill, but people do. If not with a gun, then a knife, or poison or a hammer or a club or a car. Hell, if all else fails they make a bomb or use poison gas. As all the statistics show---even in England---if you take away people's guns nothing changes except only the bad people have guns. Crime, nor murders do not go down and in America the figures are plain to see. When states pass a right to carry crime and murders do go down.

Oh gosh and gooly gee, I would love to own my own tank. The thought of doing that makes my watch-a-ma-call-it just tingle like mad. Hell, I don't even need to own an Abrams. I would settle for a WWII Sherman unless my neighbors started buying Abrams. Can't stand to be outgunned, Okay now that I've played to many peoples concept of what a gun owner is like, allow me to counter your arguments.. First off, neither I nor the Spreme court has ever said that you cannot regulate guns ownership. Yes, if you are convicted of a felony or you can't tell the Martians from the normal people in a crowd, then you should not be allowed to purchase a gun. What the court has repeatedly said is that you cannot deny gun ownership to a majority of the people without cause. In other words you cannot take guns away from everyone. Does this mean that guns owners can't be required to register or undergo training. Yes, they can be required to do so. However, I must point out that I am against mandatory registration as I believe that the government can use this to take away a persons guns. and one only has to look at England and Australia to know this is true. Secondly, while you correctly quote the second Amendment you go on to say that the Supreme Court has misinterpreted what the founding fathers meant when they wrote it. As a lawyer you should and probably do know that when the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution they do so by reading the Federalist papers and the writings of the founding fathers. Here is what they had to say on the subject; Fountainhall I will answer you at the end. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson Papers (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950) "They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.. "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as they are injurious to others." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (1781-1785). "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426. "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." -Thomas Jefferson. "(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison. "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria. "Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..." -John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788). "...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them." -Thomas Paine. "On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322. "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson, Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778). "To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them..." -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380. "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8. "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun. -Patrick Henry. "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -Patrick Henry "To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." -Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788). "The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87. "...the people have a right to keep and bear arms." -Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185. "The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789). "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169. "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age..." -Title 10, Section 311 of the U.S. Code. (see http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/) "The people are nor to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." -Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950). "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government..."-Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28). "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1989 "The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States...Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America." -gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789. "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." -Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the federal Constitution (1787) in Pamphlets to the Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888). "If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live." -Martin Luther King Jr., June 23, 1963. Speech in Detroit. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; the weak would become a prey to the strong."Thomas Paine, writing to religious pacifists in 1775: I can go on and on, but I am not Dolly of BahtStop and I am getting tired of cutting and pasting. This is not all there is. Please show me your quotes of the founding fathers. Fiountainhall, we are taking about gun crime not crime in general and the last thing I said was I had found an thatI f said that gun crime has in fact not gone up or down. All your law did was take guns away from the honest people. Here ids the quote and lenghtly from Wiki: Writing in the British Journal of Criminology, Dr Jeanine Baker and Dr Samara McPhedran found no measurable effect detectable from the 1997 firearms legislation with ARIMA statistical analysis. [66] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom Now as to the number of deaths by guns in the USA , yes it is high. But no records are kept as to which were by police, by suicide, accidents, or by people defending themselves. We do not have those figures. If the prevalence of guns is the problem how do you explain Switzerland where everyone has a gun, including automatic weapons. Furthermore, if you are appalled by these deaths we have many more times (4x or 5x) as many people killed in car accidents in America then by guns, and at least once a year some nut or old person drives into a crowd killing and injuring a number of people. Darn it when are we going to take these dangerous cars away and make everyone walk. Removing guns is no more logical then removing the cars that kill many more people each year and often by criminals who had drunk too much.

or club foot or deviated septum (no not what some of you might think)?

The problem is between what you want to believe and the truth. Michele Bachman would be proud of you both. On crime and the right to carry law: http://en.wikipedia....uns,_Less_Crime If I had been in that theater that night and had my 45 auto (I am an expert shot) on me there is a chance James Holmes would be dead long before he shot 70 people. On England since the gun latest gun control legislation. http://www.politics....rence/gun-crime And from one of the most liberal colleges in Canada: http://www.mitosyfra...gunsFraser.html Mr. Murdoch says---yeah I know crap when I see it----nevertheless. http://www.dailymail...e-soars-35.html The telegraph: http://www.telegraph...g-Dunblane.html This is just part of the first page on Google where I asked, "gun crime in England since 1996". There is a Wiki article that says there is actually no difference in gun crime before and after the ban, and that is the best I can find for your point of view which seems somewhat divorced from the facts. Finally, I do not support the NRA. This is because of their right wing stance and not because their basic anti-gun control stance. However, from Thomas Jefferson on it is clear that the founding fathers wanted no gun control, and the Sup. Court has consistently agreed with this view

I used to feel bad when I made stupid mistakes with my money, but these guys, who are supposed to be some of the worlds brightest, make me feel like a genius. Oh for the good old days of the 60s' when we knew a good bank was a burnt down bank.

Before I get nailed it is Georgia O'Keeffe

The grand Canyon is grand, but since we've moved to Arizona, I would recommend a detour before or after the grand Canyon. In the middle of the Navajo Nation is one of the most spectacular Canyons in the world. A must see is the Canyon de Chelly (pronounced de sheaa). If a place can be holy this is it. Only the indians are allowed in the Canyon, but the Indians do provide tours of the Canyon floor. However, just driving along the edge of the Canyon is an experience. For all your non Americans I join Kokopelli in recommending the Southwest of America. It is incredibly beautiful and historic country. Beautiful high desert with wonderful contrasts of light. It is hard to image how many shades of red and brown, yellow, and black can be so beautiful until you see it. See the paintings of Georgia O keith for an example of what I am talking about.

Been there and done that, but I did not have to descend by foot as there was an elevator down to the main cavern. What is really remarkable is that under Carlsbad there are even larger caverns that are mostly unexplored. As for Roswell, whose only industry is a high school military academy, well the town does have some very smart marketeers. UFOs my ....

Difference is between a witness and a victim. Once the act becomes public. i.e. a victim coming forward, then it is up to other means---including torture, or seeking out other witnesses--to find out the truth.