MrBill

I might suggest easily intimidated instead of rather reserved. I put myself in the somewhat shy and rather reserved category and loved this bar because the boys tend to reach out to customers without being overbearing(at least when I was there), and most boys seemed to be having fun which can be infectious to those who are not normally out there in a gregarious way. As someone who is more reserved, if I go into a bar where all the boys seem bored and disinterested, I am less likely to make the first move even if I find someone cute, as it just doesn't feel welcoming. But I would agree with you that they type of boys is important, thyen again, you could say that about most of the bars.

I agree, great site, vast improvement over their previous one. One of the better known bar groups in BKK also has boys pics and profiles (and individual gallery) on their web site but what I've noticed is that some of the names and pics (and ages) haven't changed in over 3 yrs. If you notice on the Happy Boys site, underneath the boy's picture is a date that the pic was updated. That's one of the little things that make a BIG difference in credibility. Congrats to the owners and site developers. I did find a few broken links but I am sure they will work those out as time goes by.

quote name='PattayaMale' date='03 September 2010 - 05:02 AM' timestamp='1283504553' post='43402'] I hope they will soon open in Pattaya. If you have never had one, well you may have a chance. They are sugary sweet. Best warm as they roll off the in store conveyor belt! Pattaya gogo boy post Krispy Kreme's arrival in Pattaya

I echo your sentiments. call me naive about such things, but if I were trying to off a boy with the wealth of a Donald Trump or Richard Branson, I might well expect them to drop their rates as they could afford it more than me. I certainly would expect that the Marriott, Novotel or Hard Rock corporations would lower their rates IF they WANTED my business as I am pretty sure they too have more money than I, and can afford it. But to expect a bar boy who makes not even a 10th of what I make a year to cut me a break... well how does that passage go about fitting through the eye of a needle?

Tonight I was watching a meaningless preseason American football game that became even more meaningless due to a long rain delay. So I decided to check out some of my "Favorites" links to see if they were all still working. I wandered on to Rentboy.com and decided to check out the Thailand escorts. They list 84 male escorts in Thailand, all in BKK. To my amazement, the majority were young muscular Chinese guys. Phone numbers appeared to be located within Thailand (+86), languages spoken are listed as English and Mandarin, and many of the boys had email addresses and web links to www.chinagayescort.com. The rates listed are pretty high - $200 - $250 USD - I assume per hour. Just curious if there is an influx of Chinese male escorts operating in Thailand now or is this some kind of potential scam?

Living in the USA I get to the bars of Pattaya even less often and the one thing I have found is that the bar I enjoyed the most on my last trip has never ended up being my favorite on the current trip. Most often it is due to a change of boys, but a change of boys often leads to a change of energy or atmosphere. Sometimes the mamasan or owner has changed, so reviews haven't been that helpful for me. A few bars, like Funny Boys, Crazy Dragon, Panorama and a few others manage to keep a consistency that brings me back at least once each trip, but as far as "Most favorite" goes, it has changed for me every time.

I think this has been tried before here or on some other GayThai board. The above points along with operating times I would find helpful as someone who is an occasional visitor. The biggest problem I see whether these rating points or something more comprehensive is that it's hard to keep up to date. I recall the previous bar ratings I had seen tended to be very old and some of the bars rated were no longer in operation. So I guess the most accurate way to judge is to stick your head in and take a peek.

I recently read an article, unfortunately I forgot in what publication, that posited (not about Pattaya or Thailand specifically) that the reason police and government entities have so much difficulty ridding their areas of things like prostitution, or in this case bars with underage boys, is that periodic raids and arrests reassure locals that the police are hard at work protecting the populace. Especially in difficult economic times where people might think that if there were no "crime to fight" that cutting the police force(or armies)and those in the government who oversee them is a viable option. The author also argued that this is a major reason why countries are occupied with war so often - purely economics and posturing - prove that you are so crucial to the people that they could never think of getting rid of you. So, how better to show that you "are working to rid Pattaya of pedophiles..." than to catch a few every so often? Maybe a pessimistic point of view and I don't recall any facts in the article to back it up, but something to think about anyway,particularly hear in the USA where the defense budget continues to grow and grow in spite of the ever escalating debt.

I still vividly recall my first expefrience on Jomtien beach. Like most flights from USA I had arrived late the night before and was whisked by car directly to Pattaya. After a few hour's sleep and a meet up my tour guide, we parked ourselves at Mr. Litt's on the beach. Shortly thereafter two young children, both under the age of 5 I am sure, came walking up and down the beach holding a little cage with some birds inside. The guide informed me that they were trying to get tourists to pay to release a bird for good luck, something in the neighborhood of 10-20 bhtn per bird If I remember. Well, nobody was buying at Litt's or the neighboring chairs, and in due time a womman came along (possibly the mother) to gather up the 2 kids. When she saw that the kids had not collected much money, she started slapping both until they cried. She then, unceremoneously grabbed the two and literally yanked them down the beach to where there were more of a mixed crowd of tourists, possibly figuring that women would be more sympathetic to little tykes on the beach in need of cash. That's when I knew I needed to be cautious of those "begging or soliciting."

I've also encountered guys at that location who suggest that they are deaf/mutes. Their request cards are all printed in English, not Thai. Some carry bags that they try to sell to support themselves. No disrespect, but they're like a flock of pigeons and several descend on unsuspecting tourists at once. I've wondereed if they are legit or scam. I assume it's the latter.

In my experience, this is not just a farang thing on GR. Some of the boys post pics where the date of printing stamp appears in the corner. Some I've seen have dated back to 2006. I also discovered by accident that some of the GR boys also post on dudesnude.com in the Thailand section. Sometimes the pics on their GR profile have been cropped to remove the date stamps and the same pic appears with the date stamp on DN. I recall one "current" pic on a GR profile having a 2002 stamp on DN!

Does that rule out the possibility of any bitch slapping taking place? If not,can you post pictures of the play-by-play?

I've begun to wonder if the different contexts of the two languages plays any role here. My understanding is that Thai language has only present tense, and I have encountered several boys on line who seem to have trouble grasping future actions when they are not finalized. Example: BOY: I want meet you. ME: I would like to meet you also, but I'm not in Thailand now. BOY: OK, what day you come Thai? ME: I can't say what day I will come because I have to request holiday time from my work and look for good airfares. I hope I can come in October or November. BOY: OK. What day you come? ME: As I said, I don't know what day it will be yet, I am still planning. BOY: Why you lie me? You say you come Thai then you say you not come! Maybe it's my imagination, but the boys who have less facility in English seem to have trouble with the concept of future uncertainty

OK...here's one for you locals. The next time you need your dimper sucked, head on over to Mike Beauty and Massage. You'll find it located right next door to Mike Billiards inside the Mike Hotel, conveniently situated above the Mike department Store on Mike, err, Second Road. That is of course if you can figure out what and where your dimper is! And while there, don't forget to ask about the Vitamin-E mud (does it come in pill or tablet form?). Note the sign indicating that the establishment is open in spite of the chains on the door, another efuddlement I have encountere4d several times in LOS.

This really doesn't fall into the classification of Thai Customs but it is one I continually shake my head at-- A boy comes to my room, takes off his shirt, wraps a towel around his waist, removes first his pants then his undershorts (never reverse the order), flops on the bed and the towel flies open! What's the deal with that towel

Here, Here! I couldn't agree more. No offense, but the report reminded me a bit of Goldilocks and the Three Bears - things were either too hard or too soft but never just right. "Destiny is not a matter of chance; it is a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for; it is a thing to be achieved." -William Jennings Bryan "I have learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our dispositions and not on our circumstances." - Martha Washington "Whenever you see darkness, there is extraordinary opportunity for the light to burn brighter." - Bono "Write the bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble." - Arabic parable "People are disturbed not by things but by the view they take of them." - Epictetus "You cannot control what happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you." - Brian Tracy "All that we are is a result of what we have thought." -Buddha "We must not allow the clock and the calendar to blind us to the fact that each moment of life is a miracle and mystery." - H. G. Wells "If you want to test your memory, try to recall what you were worrying about [or disappointed in] one year ago today." - E. Joseph Cossman My thoughts for the day...

I always found this to be curious as well, so when I would get the "I not eat 2 day" I would reply with the suggestion (in a polite way) to take the bhat they were using for the Internet and spend it on food. End of conversation every time.

Hey, every once in a while even a relative newbie can get one right I was also told never to point directly at someone as in pointing/calling to your waiter for the check bin. I was told that the preferred method of calling to someone is to extend the arm, point the fingers down toward the ground and wiggle them (like making a fingers do the walking motion)as you call to the person. A Thai guide told me that one.

Aniother one I was told was that women should never touch or offer anything directly to a monk; it should be given to a man to give. AND, despite your preferred handedness, things should be offered to a Thai only with the right hand, as the left hand is used for more personal business, or so I was advised by a Thai guy.

On my first trip to LOS I was advised to wear a long-sleeve shirt when visiting temples. My visit was in April when it was excruciatingly hot and humid, so I had my sleeves unbuttoned and rolled up to mid-forearm. As I was entering Wat Po, one of the Thai workers there motioned me to roll the sleeves down and rebutton them before going in. I got the impression that they were making more of an issue with foreign visitors to the temples as I noticed many Thais in short sleeves.

How naive of me. When a boy writes in his profile, "I want chat farang and practice speak English," I assumed he meant more than practicing, "Oh baby, harder, harder," or "How much you can pay me?" But seriously, I imagine it can become quite tedious trying to converse in a non-native language for any length of time when there is no obvious end in sight of benefit.

I resemble that remark!

Interesting hypothesis Bob. I was unaware of that cultural difference but it does fit, and in the context of Gay Romeo, I could imagine it referring to farang (like me who are not in LOS) who insist on trying to extend a conversation on and on and on when the boy is only interested in "What time can we get together tonight?" I'll keep that in mind.

I've only been to LOS 6 times but I totally agree with what you say. The first time I visited was in 1984. Prior to that trip, the only place I had visited outside of the USA was Canada which is only a 20 minute drive south for me. The one thing I recall was the diversity of the bars and shows. Some turned out not to be my thing, but it was worth the visit to see what was going on. I recall one bar, Baseball Club I think,where a boy handed a customer a small piece of string and then proceeded to prance around the circumference of the bar 3 times while the rest of the string poured out his ass. Definitely not my thing and I don't advocate shows that would degrade the boys, but variety of any sort does bring in customers. I was perobably one of those farangs with the stoic expression you referenced but after visiting 5 bars in one evening and witnessing the same two-step shuffle, candle show, soap show, loud music and glaring lights in your face it's easy to become bored with or without a friend or companion. Happy Boys reminds me more of the bars in Canada and those you used to find in Amsterdam where there is a VIP area where you can get up-close-and-personal if you're willing to shell out a small tip. Crazy Dragon is another bar I found fun except for a few boys who never seemed to smile or engage in eye contact when they came around to various tables. I also think that central stages hinder interaction. Again, the bars I enjoyed in Canada and Amsterdam all had stages on an outside wall and boys wandered around mingling when not on stage dancing. As long as they're not too pushy, it does increase the likelihood of interaction. A small point here, but collecting 20 bhat notes for tips can be a bit more of a challenge for the visitor. ATMs dispense 100 bhat notes, banks would not give me change as I did not have an account with them and my hotel could only afford to exchange for 100 bhat worth of 20s at a time. I asked to make change in a couple of bars but without someone with good English skills I was unable to get my point across (or they just didn't care to do it). I visited a bar in Berlin a few years ago that I think had the right idea. There was a small entrance fee that gave you 10 tickets worth 1 Euro each, and you could buy as many more as you wanted throughout the night. When you encountered a boy you liked you could tip him one or more tickets. When the guys had a certain amount of tickets they went to the bartender and exchanged the tickets for the equivalent in cash. I noticed that the longer a customerr stayed and the more he drank the more additional tickets he bought. Seemed like a lot of incentive there for the boys. I know other topic areas talked about bar owners not willing/caring to try something different, but it seems that the old addage, "If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got," is VERY applicable in this case.

Thai type weather in Michigan this week, so trying to keep cool at the computer, wishing I was back in Pattaya. Anyway, I came across 4 different profiles on GR that made the same statement, albeit not always in the exact same words. Basically the writers made the statement in their profiles, "All farang not know when enough is enough." Anybody got a clue what that is supposed to mean? Different boys, different locations, different ages, same message. I've also seen that same sort of statement once in a profile on Camfrog but the boy signed off before I could ask what it meant. Just curious with nothing better to do at the moment.