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While in Pattaya, sometimes I find it necessary to use a sleeping pill. My favorite medication of choice is Tylenol PM. For me, it works better than anything else. However, I have been unable to find it anywhere in Thailand. When I go back to Canada or the US, I am able to get it easily. When I run our here and I need something to help put me to sleep, I have used Thai Valium and Xanex. Both seem to work great and do the job. However, I am not really sure how safe they are and I don

In Thailand, the word boyfriend often brings many different reactions depending on what experiences and motivations one has. I have not quiet fully understood the Thai meaning of boyfriend yet. I keep looking to learn more and I do keep trying to grasp what the word means to a Thai guy. I use the term boyfriend often in Thailand. I realize that in other places, that the paid companion I have would not be considered a boyfriend. But, in Thailand, many often use the word to represent one that is living with you or someone you are taking care of. In another thread, I was asked why I limited my "boyfriends" to having an open relationship with other Thais and younger guy and a closed one with any other farang. I was unable to answer fully the questions because many factors come into place. I have had guys I enjoy and take care of only when I am in Thailand. When I leave, I expect them to go back to work and earn a living. I realize this and I know what they do for money. As long as I am not paying the bills, that is fine for me. I have trouble with "boyfriends" of other faranges that work in the bars. Often they have a customer that comes here once or twice a year and during that time period, the boy is taken care of and is considered not available. When the farange leaves, the boy goes back to work and starts business as usual. That is fine for all concerned. I have seen more than a few times a few farang "boyfriends" come into town at the same time and feelings are hurt and anger flares. I have known boys that tell their farange they are the only one and the farang sends them money on a weekly or monthly basis. When they run out, they look for a way to earn more. This is another type of boyfriend. I have met boys in bars who were the boyfriends of another Thai boy or Ladyboy. These guys are only looking for short times as they have another life and are not looking for the long time off. I have seen boys in bars that are the boyfriends of the bar owner or mamasan. These are also odd, as many times the boyfriend does not want the Thai boy to work and only to be put on stage as eye candy. As long as the Thai boy is at the bar and at work, they don't go off the premises with the customer but often during the day, they will contact other faranges. I have often wondered if a boy is working in a bar and is the boyfriend of the owner if the owner or mamasan really expects when they run into a potential gold mine that they will not succumb to that possibility. I have known many boys that play the role of boyfriend very well and it is outside of the bar that they look for other possibilities. I know one owner who has his boyfriend for years. He has taken great care of him and the two are very happy together. I have seen one couple that took on a Thai boy many years ago and they have a long-term commitment. They seem to be very happy in the 3-way scenario and it is great to see those friendships develop. There are boyfriends of farangs who actively take care of them very well. These are the ones that have the most to loose when they stray. I met a boy that wanted to go home with me last week from a bar. I told him OK. When he got to my place we finished sex and he showered. His phone rang and he answered. It was his boyfriend. This was news to me. He promised the guy he was not with a farang and only loved him. He smiled at me the whole time he spoke. It was quiet uncomfortable for me and I felt guilty. I asked if he had a "boyfriend" and he said yes. I asked why he worked in a bar and he said that his boyfriend did not give him much money when not in Pattaya. I did not see the guy again but I did develop a friendship with him. It turns out that the guy gives him over 30k baht per month and his last trip to town he gave him 100k baht to take care of himself for a few weeks while he was away. I was shocked why the boy would risk loosing such a good catch and he said, no problem, he loves me too much. He has also made it clear that he enjoys sex with others and that he would never jeopardize his relationship with his "boyfriend" but what the farang doesn't know won't hurt him. I really don't know where my term for boyfriend comes in all of this. I have a "boyfriend" or two that I adore. I am not in love with them and vice versa. However, we have been together for a long time. I use the word boyfriend often. The more I learn about Thailand and the more I learn about myself in the LOS, the more my definition changes. It is not the same today as it was last month or last year. When I talk to family I often use the term "special friend." In my mind, that is really more what I have. I have some amazing special friends that I adore, care for, worry about and enjoy.

HaHa He did tell me about this farang ladyboy he was with. He said he had a fun time with her and that she was so bendable, flexible, moveable, unbreakable that he thought he may have left her tied to the rafters in the celing. But, since you are posting, I will have to tell him you worked yourself free. BTW: the lipstick stain you left on his Versace shirt was a chore to get out. Loved the color dear!

hehe. Those are just my rules. My bf is not gay. He has a ladyboy. He is very well taken care of. If he wants to work while I am away that is fine. But, I won't support him financially for that. If he doesn't want to work and only do school and live the good life, I'm willing to support that. Why? I don't know. I am comfortable with that and I pay the bills.

What do you use? I am preparing an article on my struggle for the Internet. I have a satellite on order for next week and will report back. What is your experience?

There are many new boys at the bars recently. However, I have not seen too many customers sitting there. I went to 4 bars in Boyztown and there was only one or two other customers in each bar. Last night, I was in Sunee and not only were there a lack of customers, but there seem to be few boys on stage. I know it is low season. For those of you who have been here for a few years, how does this compare to previous years? On another note, I found a great guy at Gayuga in Boyztown. He is only in town for a week as he goes back to University in Bangkok next week. He is one of the sexiest guys I have seen in recent days. He was tall, muscular and well defined. He has a beautiful smile and perfect complexion. He was 22 and new to the area. I spent some time with him and had a good time. It just goes to show that even in times of drought, there are amazing things in the Oasis.

I have moved into a new house in Jomptien. I love the house. I am quite happy and content. I am unable to get a phone line and getting Internet access in the house has been impossible. Many have told me that it is easy to get. However, the phone companies are sure they don

I have often wondered where the line is drawn when it comes to friends and their boyfriends. When I was in America, I had a policy not to get involved with those petty games. I once had 2 great friends that were lovers and together for many years. One of them had an indiscretion and because I did not tell his lover about that, I lost him as a friend. I did not think it was my place to get involved. I also hated losing a good friend over my silence. To date, I still think I did the right thing. In Pattaya, things are different as the situation is often more one where money is involved as opposed to just lovers. I have a friend who thinks his paid companion does not see anyone other than himself. Yet, I have seen the guy working the crowds and streets looking for extra income. The question is, what is my role? If this is a friend that I value and enjoy, do I speak my mind? Or, do I risk loosing the friend in either case? I know I have gone away on a few occasion and I wanted to know if my

I think you have a good point TeePee. I do understand that many people distinguish between Sunee Plaza and Boyztown. I understand this. I pay the same rate for all guys in Thailand. I tell them I will pay 1,000 baht for a short time and I do tip 200-300 depending on how good they were. I also give them motorbike taxi to return home. I don't do overnights too often but when I do, I pay them 1500 baht minimum. I pay the same price for guys in Sunee as I do other places. I am very upfront with the boys I take off and I tell them what I will pay in advance if it is someplace I am not known. If I go to a bar I frequent, I don't have to discuss these things. I also treat them with respect and offer then drinks and food to eat. Last week I offered a guy something to drink and he asked for wine. I opened up a bottle of wine. Should I have taken that out of his fee? NO. I guess everyone comes to the table with different expectations and experiences. I have sat around with Thai boys who talk about the cheap farangs who only pay 500 baht. Don't fool yourself and think that the boys don't talk bad about this. They do. They talk about us as much as we talk about them. I also know that the farangs that pay the 500 baht knocking at their door. Many think it is because a boy likes them so much. Actually, they are broke and need cash. When in a crunch, they have to do what they need to do to make ends meet. That does not mean that someone should take advantage of this. I have heard many farangs say, "rent is due and I'll get the boys cheap this week as they are hungry." How sick. This is just my two cents worth and I know not the majority opinion.

"Treat him as if it were a date? This is a prostitute, a paid sexual encounter, a business transaction....not a date. And when did Emily Post decide the going rate in Pattaya was 1500B ? Did I miss the announcement?" Welcome to the boards Jomptien. I see you are new and this is your first post. Welcome. Since you are new, you may have missed the announcment. 1500 for an overnight is the minimum somone should tip someone in Pattaya. There was a big meeting about this in Boyztown. It was a up or down vote and majority rules. The votes for the Yea won and the 1500 baht rate was set. I apologize for not sending you a memo.

Gaybutton, I could not agree more. I have a Thai boy that works at a bar. He met a farang and took him to Luxor for dinner and then out to Hollywood Disco and back to the hotel at night. He boy spent the night and the next morning the farang gave him 700 baht. The boy took it and smiled and left. The next night I was at the boys bar when the farang came back to get him. The boy said he had plans and would not go off with him. The farang got up and caused a scene. Finally, the farang said but I spent so much money on you last night. Truth is, most boys could care less where you take them to eat or where you go. They are working for the money, not a good time at Luxor or another fine eatery. When you pay a guy who stayed with you less than your bottle of wine, you should feel ashamed!

I had a very interesting conversation with a young man whom I have been with on many occasions. I met him at Throb/Splash about 2 years ago. I have been with him maybe 20 times in 2 years and always had a great time. He is totally versatile and very fun to be with on every occasion. Last night I was having sex with him and asked him to get on top of me. He said no. I asked why and he said,

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Thanks for the advice. I have been told the same thing by many others. I have had him tested for Yabba since I started helping him. He had none in his system. He threw himself into the water. I am only extending a float. I guess at the end of the night, it all comes down to am I able to sleep. Truth is, if I didn't help him I would not sleep. If I at least try, I can. Being an old man with bags under my eyes from age and too little makeup, I do what I must do to sleep at night. In this case, he calls me often before I sleep just to say hi and just to tell me he is ok. Those are the nights I sleep the best. I know that the future may hold many sleepless nights. I am a realist. I am also an optomist. He is my friend. My path with him is chosen. It is up to him to stay the course. If he takes the wrong turn, I will most likely not be on the same road with him. But, as long as he stays the course, I am there.

I am not sure about cheap but I do know that I always use NWA. I book a full coach fare, normally about 2300 US. That then gives me the ability to upgrade to first class for 30k miles. I then make the trip. Since I am Platinum, I get the full coach miles, which is more than regular price miles plus the platinum. By the end of the trip, I have more miles than I used on the 30k miles for the trip so my milage never goes down. NWA has a great site that is easy to use. Often the upgrades are not available from the city I travel from. So, I check on the net and try SF, Detroit, NY and Minn. When I find the one that has the upgrade both ways, I call them and get them to book it for me. Once I have the first class ticket it is easy to change. I have never not been able to change the flights for a more convenient date or city. I know this is not a cheap way to do it, but if you want a good way to travel first class, it works well.

LOL. Thank you so much. I have not laughed so hard in ages. I don't disagree with anything you said. I live life for each day and love the pursuit of happiness. Your thread today put me on that path early. Thank you!

I met a lady that worked in a restaurant next to Memories. She was very nice and I was introduced to her because I was told she was looking for a new job. I needed a housekeeper. She agreed to do the job. She came to my placed and gave it a try and it worked great for both of us. I told her she was hired. She went back and told her boss that she was going to take a new job and they told her to get out. She went back to her apartment and was awoken at 3am to be evicted from her apartment. She showed up at my place in tears that morning. What I don

Boyfriends and Exes are often a problem everywhere but especially in Thailand. When one understands that it is mostly business on the Thai's part, they often let aside the emotional attachments that happen in other places. Last night I was having dinner with some friends at a bar in Pattaya. I was talking to a guy from New York and he wanted to know about a boy we saw working as a doorman. I told him the guy was great, a true gay boy, fun in bed and totally versatile. I told him that few guys in Pattaya would be able to get better head than from this doorman. He thanked me for the advice as I gave the young man my highest recommendations. He asked if I had been with him many times and I told him that he lived with me for 9 months last year. "And you are OK if I go with him?" he asked. I told him that I was not only OK with it but that I know the guy needs money and it would be very good for both of them. We got into a conversation about Ex-boyfriends and when it is appropriate to date someone else's. I explained to him that it was business and when they are working, they should be able to go with anyone they want without retribution from a ex boyfriend Farang. It seems that most Thai boys agree with me but few Farangs agree with me. As we had the conversation another boy walked over and gave him a kiss on the check. He was the ex of a friend of mine. I asked him where my friend was and he said that he didn't know. He said he was now working again at a gogo bar and that it was his 2nd night on the job. The first night he went with a customer that was a bad experience. I wanted to see the boy happy so I gave him 2k baht and told him that he could be more picky with who he goes with and did not have to go with anyone he didn't want to go with. He was happy with that and said he wanted to stay with me for a few days. I agreed and told him that I would take him with me but not willing to pay the off fee for the bar for 2 weeks as he just started and if he wanted he could pay them the fee out of the money I will give him or pocket it. It was up to him. I also told him there would be no sex during this trial period and that I wanted him to talk with my friend more and if they got back together that it was OK with me and I would not be upset. He seemed happy with the proposition. Perhaps he was just happy that he was getting paid a 2 week vacation? He went to talk to the bar and my friends I was sitting with told me how stupid I was. I really thought I was doing a good thing. I find the boy very sexy and sweet. I also am not willing to loose a friend over him. Naturally, I wrote to my friend to see if he was upset and told him that I would back away if he wanted. Am I crazy? Did I do something that was insulting to either party? If a guy is working, what are the boundaries if you know they dated someone you knew? What if it is just someone that was with them one time? One week? One month?

Excellent report Cat! Thank you. Staying in Pattaya for a long time, I find I don't get to Boyztown as much as I did. Your report makes me want to try a few more bars. On another note, I have been to Cayuga 5 times to find the coverboy for Sticky Rice. I have not seen him in there one time. I am about to give up to finding him. I will have to try a few of the other places you talked about. Thanks.

I have an appointment today to get a Hutch USB. I'll let you know how it is and all the info when I test it.

This reminds me of Hillary's book, it takes an entire Village... I think it was an old African proverb that said it takes an entire village to raise a child. In many ways, the adults in Thailand that use the message boards often act like children. I am not interested in raising them. But, if we were all nice to each other and respectful to all, even if we don't like someone or their posts, I bet that the Village would be a much better place to live for us all. I have said in the past, I really don't get all the nastiness that exists on these boards. I didn't get it when I first started reading them and I don't get it now. Perhaps some have too much time on their hands. Perhaps some are just mean and nasty. Perhaps some have other agendas. But, if we all started to be nice to each other on the boards, and in person, perhaps more would join in the participation. Just IMHO.

I highly recommend PJ's House. It is clean, well maintained and a wonderful group of people. The rates are reasonable. I stayed there last fall and only have praise for the owners and the hotel.

Thanks guys. I have found the house of my dreams. So to say. It is all I had asked for and more. The real estate agent I used was great and made it a smooth process. I don't have Internet at the house. So, I will have to wait till I get ToT to put in a phone line. It may be a painful process. So, others will monitor the boards for a while. I will swim, relax and enjoy. A much needed peaceful time after the house hunting process.

Wow. I step away for a few days and all this exciiting stuff happens. How do I miss it? jk I have been taken by many a bar in Thailand. There is one bar in BoyzTown that had my bill wrong 5 out of 5 times I have went there. The last time it happened, it took 45 min to get it right. They thought I was going to just pay the extra 2 drinks they added on to the bill. I did not. I patiently waited. I have not had this happen in Sunee. I did go to one bar one and one of the doormen was dancing on stage. I took him off and they tried to charge me doorman prices. I told them no that tonight they had made him dance on the stage and he was a dancer and not a doorman. They relented. It was only 100 baht. But, it was also the principle. Actually, the doorman sent me a text message asking for help. They were short on guys that night and he had to dance. PLEASE he said. Come get me. OK, I said. And, I did. The rest is history. It is slow season and I have been to a few bars and was the only customer. That puts pressure on them to make some money. I don't think what happened to this poster is right or even ok. I just take it as part of the territory and try to watch every bill I have.

As of today, I finally found the house I want. I found a great company that was nice to deal with and very professional. I reccomend them to you. http://www.seaboard-properties.com/ They made the process very smooth and easy and they were great to work with.