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Wow! Such a big number. And, 380 million after taxes. What on earth would you do with that much money if you won?

Me too. Yes, the chart should have said take the Bangkok rate, multiple by 3 for Jupiter, divide that by .2 and then add 900 baht. Once you have that figure, take the square root of that number and add 3,000 baht plus the cost of two dinners at Sunrise Tacos. That is the cost of a long time boy for Jupiter. My apologies for not being clear earlier.

Welcome! They have not returned to pre-Covid levels. There is still lots of fun to be had and each month more and more open up.

So, this thread was dead and three weeks later you revive it to say don't feed the trolls?

No, they are not.

Thanks.

Have read and reread this thread because it has been reported multiple times for offensive posts, let me say a few things. 1. I do not equate rates of escorts to anything other than what I believe they should be paid based on their professional job. 2. I do not believe that using a laborer wage is acceptable. 3. I did not see Z say that the rate should be that of a minimum wage and I have not found any threads that he berates others for paying higher or lower. 4. We are a gentleman's club and we all should act like that. If there are people you disagree with, state that move on. You will not always agree with what others pay or say. That is OK. To each his own. I'll keep advocating for higher money for escorts in Thailand as I do view this as something that elevates them to make their life better and for a very personal service they offer, that is the VERY least I can do. 5. I have said for years, that I pay or gift to boys is none of anyone's business but my own. I will say the same thing for the OP and for others who chimed in. Does not mean I will not continue to advocate for my own person opinion of what should be given, no it does not. This conversation was started because someone asked our opinion and we all gave it. 6. I have different rates for incall and in bar experiences. Years back, there was a lad in Sunnee that I loved to fuck. He was with other men long-term a lot but he loved sex and when playing pool he would often look at me and signal with his eyes, the parking places behind Come In Bar. I knew this meant that he wanted a quick fuck and I'd node yes or no. When yes, I would take a walk and in minutes he would follow and he would blow me and I'd fuck him right in between all the cars (with the hope that other cars didn't dive up). For that quick 10 minutes, I'd tip him 1,000 baht as opposed to the 1500 I'd pay for my home with a longer fuck. I did this at least 50 times and he was always good to me and vice versa. I also met a PR guy 25 years ago when I lived in NYC and he was giving head in the XXX Video booths for 20 bucks. He loved sucking dick and getting fucked. I told him he could come to my place anytime he wanted and I'd give him 100 bucks for same service. He appeared weekly and often 4 times a week for years. He would walk in, drop his clothes and get on his knees. If I had company, he loved it and would offer to do them for free (I had hot company back then). He is still a friend to this day. 7. I have traveled extensively and I understand the need to pay going rates and not above. I often have money that I give and say this is for short time and then another set that I tell them is for them to buy a gift for themselves and somethings a third for taxi. Having said this, I have not seen the rates in Thailand go up much in 20 years. To me, that is sad and thus why I continue to gift additional money. I do not believe Z's intention was to say don't pay more. I think he is trying to equate a mathematical equation to the service. I am not sure this is possible and thus, the math doesn't work for me. But, I am not a math person and when people start throwing calculations out there, I get confused. So, I have come up with a new acceptable price for Thailand. It is hereby decreed: Bangkok Short time - 3,000 baht Pattaya Short time - 2,000 baht plus taxi Bar Blow Jobs - 1,000 baht minimum Bar Hand Jobs - 999 baht Deep Kissing - 888 baht If no change, please tip upwards. Effective July 24, 2022 onward.

I was a bit antsy last night and went out early for a nice evening. A Thai friend and I went to a local Cigar Bar we like and relaxed a bit after dinner. We weren't really doing anything but killing time before the bars opened. All in all, we hit 4 bars. Fresh Boys - there were about 25 boys there, mostly twinks, cute guys and mostly thin. The drinks were 350 baht each. Hot Male - there were about 20 boys there, mostly well built manly men. Drinks were 400 baht each. Dream Boys - there were about 30 boys there with a mix of twinks (few) and more well built boys. Drinks were 450 each. New Twilight - less boys for sure than the others but the place is beautiful and I'll go back just to support it. Drinks were 350 each. We had someone over for a drink and a nice chat. The waiters were friendly and several guys I know from years gone by were there. Common - Music too loud in EVERY bar. Hard to hear what anyone said to me. Result - met a guy from Grindr at end of the night and a boy from the soi near Tawan that was massage boy locally. Took both home for a massage and sex. The massage boy was a real treat and someone I'll see again. The Grindr lad was totally excellent with me but not so much with the other lad. Both tipped well and on their way home by 1AM. I'm old and it was a late night but with the liveliness of Soi 4 and the bars filling up, it is now time for all to stop putting off trips to Thailand. You will find what you want here. You may have to go to a few bars to get it, but you will find a bit of heaven if you look.

I don't care if they speak Thai or not, if they are good at what they do, I'm happy (doctor wise). I don't care if they speak English or not, if they are good at what they do, I'm happy (boy wise). I don't equate either to the Thai minimum wage as they are both professionals. I think that may where we diverge in our opinions? I view escorts are professionals and not minimum wage workers. No apology needed. I have had people poking the bear for 20 years. I have a think skin. I use to live in Pattaya and went out nightly and loved my time there. For the last 10 years, I only went to visit a dear friend. He is no longer with us so I don't go as often as I was mostly going to see him. I find I can be just as happy boy wise in Bangkok and still get to all the big malls.

The government office for changing car ownership is a trek for most. It is near the old airport area. The traffic is an absolute nightmare. We spent over 2 hours trying to find parking in bumper to bumper traffic. Then, only to be told to go somewhere else first. We had been to another office and filled out all the required paperwork but it seems many don't know what the full process is. After an inspection of the car, we went back to find parking and another hour when a guy on a motorcycle told my Thai friend that he could all this for us for a fee. I was tired and asked if this was legit and the BF said yes. So, we did it. We gave him the blue book, all the paperwork and the money 3,000 plus a tip 1,000 for his shop and off he went. Two hours later he returned with all the work done, a new blue book, and the BF with a car in his name. I recently bought a new Camry and wanted him to have the SUV in his name as I know it is better this way. Now, his mother thinks he hit the lottery and I'm sure she will have her hands held out for money soon. LOL If we had gone in together, a farang and a Thai, they may have not believed that I was giving it to him and they could have made us pay more. But, with the little service, it was fast and efficient and no issues with the paperwork and no additional money.

BTW: Both Villa Market and Lazada have great bread mixes now. I use Bob's Red Mill. I also like the Beer Cheese Bread linked above.

I took out the spinners yesterday and the loaf looked beautiful! Yummy! https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2015/02/17/successful-loaves-from-your-bread-machine

Well, I was in my elevator today and I smelled weed. I continued to the first floor and the guy got out and went to the Grab taxi driver and got a bag. The bag had a smiley face on it and a weed symbol. I am not shy so I asked him and he said, "yes, they all deliver now to your door." I thought this might be a little hard to get but after talking to him and then asking others, it is just as easy here as ordering Pizza. I was shocked that a country that just recently incarcerated people for long times for this, is now so open and visible.

Sure, I have a doctor in NYC that is 200 for a visit and the escorts are 300 for a short time. I use the Whopper as a means. You can buy a Whopper in USA and other places. For an escort in the USA, you would never tip the cost of a Whopper for service but some in Thailand try this. In Thailand Whopper meal cost 219 Thai baht. So, the cost of a short time is about 10 Whoppers (using 2,000) In USA, the Whopper meal cost is 6.50 USA. So, the cost of a short time is about 31 Whoppers (200 USD, even though most in bigger cities charge more). Yeah, Yeah, I know cost of living, etc. But, IMHO, tipping someone the cost of a meal at Burger King for a blow job is insufficient. Perhaps, cruel even. This thread has been fascinating and I think a good debate among many to see different views. I expect more see my view in Bangkok than in Pattaya. But, maybe no one does and that is OK. We all have different ways of tipping and taking care of the people who take care of us. As @floridarob pointed out, I may gift too many motorcycles to guys that are good to me and I have never felt guilty with that. I have also never tipped the cost of a Whopper for a sexual service and I have felt guilty for that. I have one long term boyfriend who I have gifted 10 motorbikes, two cars, and more. And, I still feel that he has not gotten the full amount he deserves for his kindness to me over the years. Hell, today I'll be taking him for a Whopper for sure. Thank you all for your various points of view. I would buy each of you a Whopper but I'm afraid you would feel the need to put out and I don't do over 40s.

Tough comparison. The day laborer does not often go days without any pay or benefits. There are so many differences between what a money boy can make at the top of their game and what a regular laborer makes but why not consider them professionals and base their rate on that concept. I pay my doctor 1500 baht for a quick treatment and is that not similar to a short time rate? Having spent time with many Western hookers, I know that their feeling (and mine) is that they are professionals and need to be treated as such. In Thailand, that concept is often not thought about as the tendency is to think of them as the bottom of the labor market and not the top of it. I just simply disagree with the comparison with a poorly paid laborer.

I am glad that phase ended as well. And, yes, I do remember it well.

I guess my easily over 2,000 visits to Sunee Plaza is an understanding without practical knowledge? Not quite! Admittedly, I have not been there but 5 times in last two years, but I still think I have ample practical knowledge. My high falutin idea is to pay for services rendered and to pay a good amount commensurate with that service.

+1 Totally agree. I think that some believe that a boy getting a blow job should be fun for him. It is not. It is work. There is a discrepancy in income and for this service, 1,000 is extremely fair. Let's not kid ourselves into think they love sex with old men. It is a job and one that should be well rewarded.

IMHO, you suck the boy, a minimum of 1,000 baht.

It was breathtaking for sure. I grew up near the original Space Camp and spent a great deal of time thinking about being an astronaut. I am always impressed when I see amazing things like this and do wonder what else is out there.

Sad that students are still going through this. I wonder how much alcohol had to play in this?

New Twilight looks lovely. I like that area and don't mind stopping for a bit to eat at Mango and then going around. Thanks for the heads up about the new bar. I have not been there, but will give it a try.

You post is great and informative. There was one poster who tried to derail it and he was put on a week time out. Please carry on!

Love the story. Glad he remembers you.

Don't forget, I banned all Republicans on this board. jk But, I do try to ignore them.