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The new subway stop is great. I did not know this and it was always a taxi ride away. Is Sao Paulo expanding the system? I always loved Fragata and met many guys there over the years. MUCH less laid back than most saunas and thus always a good stop for me when in SP. Thank you for the report !

I thougth all the boys paid 15 or more for this and 117. What did they use to pay? What do they pay at 117 if you know?

Thailand's martial law will not be lifted for the foreseeable future, the justice minister said on Friday, despite an earlier pledge to lift the law in some provinces to help the tourism industry which has struggled since a military coup in May. The announcement comes as Thailand prepares to enter its peak tourism season, over the Christmas and New Year period. The tourism sector accounts for nearly 10 percent of GDP. Thailand expects around 25 million tourists this year, down a million from 2013, the government said this month, thanks in part to protests in Bangkok that kept many visitors away. The army imposed martial law nationwide in May, days before it took power in a coup that it said was necessary to end months of street demonstrations aimed at ousting Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-thailand-politics-martial-law-idUSKCN0J508H20141121 Not really a surprise to anyone is it?

I enjoyed the boys in KL on my last trip. I did not do the GayRomeo thing but did go to some massage places. I found odd that they showed photos of the boys and you chose from that and they came down once you choose the person you wanted to do. I like seeing the guys in the flesh before a meeting but that didn't happen in KL. Glad your trip is going well and so productive (boy wise).

Thanks for all the info guys. I have not decided on which hotel or even what city yet for my next visit but I found the addition of another Marriott brand in Pattaya great. The Marriott in Pattaya for New Year's Eve requires a 9,000 baht per person dinner reservation. With me and the 2 boys that it nearly 1,000 USD for a dinner that I have zero desire in going to and not something I would ever pay for. So, I started looking for other options.

I watched the address in full, not live as I am overseas, but I really like the address. Something needs to be done and I think this is a great start and will at least get the conversation rolling. I hope Obama issues other orders in other areas. I found it odd that no major network carried this live. Is that a slap in the face? I thought so. But, as well all know, Americans are more interested in Honey Boo Boo than they are in politics.

Growing up in the deep South, I also grew up listening to Country music. I loved it as a kid, although I longed for something more. I still find solace in listening to some of the older songs. The music industry is full of gay men and women but in Counrty Music, it has not been that way. I was happy to read that Ty Herndon came out as gay and says he is an open and proud gay man. Here is one of the songs I really enjoy from him:

I was going to make a reservation for the Marriott Pattaya but I saw another hotel pop up. It looks good and the rates are 1/2 that of the Marriott. It is in Pratamak Hill area. It says it was built in 2009. Is this a new hotel, converted hotel or what? Anyone know? Thanks. https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pyxcy-courtyard-south-pattaya/

Dubai is beautiful and you can get anything you want there. When I ran an escort service in NYC, we sent several boys to Dubai for week and months at at time. There is money everywhere and there are tons of gay boys here but it is all very hard to find. I have found many just at the malls. Most of them are Indian or from the Philippeans. But, there are some men of Middle Eastern decent. However, it is those you have to play more careful with. Gaydar is easy for me and I can spot a gay a mile away. And, the guys here are not hookers but freely give it away as they are craving gay sex and gay companionship. Anyone else been to Dubai and have experiences there? Suggestions for those looking for gay sex?

I find elections fascinating and depending on voter turn out in many states who wins. I have family in Kentucky and they were hoping to unseat Mitch but it didn't happen. ;(

The two loves of my life (LOL) learned many moons ago to never ask me for more money. They get a weekly stipend and if they request something different, they would go from a group of two to a single of one. I feel budgeting money is in their best nature. That said, if I go for Xmas, I might give a gift to them. But, it would never be asked of me. These two have been with me for near 10 years because they don't ask for crazy shit. I still buy them a motorcycle every few years and new phones every year or two but that is a gift that I decide upon and they don't ask. (they may be smarter than I think and leading me without me being aware but if that is the case, they deserve the fucking IPhone)

Everyone knew but it is good for him to finally join the out and about group.

i would answer this question but I truly dislike it so I'll pass.

To me, it sounds like the bar didn't pay the money to the police that is normally paid. But, I have friends that own bars and a license is required. Drugs are very taboo. It is not an issue in Thailand that a star was caught here as sexuality is not an issue with most in the country and it won't affect his popularity.

This is fascinating. I am sure this would be great for me. But, you are right, the carriers will hate this. This also shows the power of Apple in the USA.

It does remind me of a time when I was at the Marriott hotel and a pimp/mamasan came to the hotel to "get" a boy that lived with him. I had taken him off long term and he was upset as he was not getting money. He said that he was going to cause a scene and starting raising his voice. We were at a table by the pool and he was shouting and saying things like, "All you want to do is fuck him. I have cared for him and I want him to come home." Basically, he had another client that had offerd him money and it caused a great stink. I was throughly embarrased. The guy was in my room and I had the BF get him. He was over 18 and he was checked into the room with me. The mamasan told him that he would be coming back. I told the boy it was up to him but I would take care of him financially as long as he wanted to stay. He decided to stay. The mamasan got even more irate and yelling and cursing me and calling me every name in the book. The security guard was called and the BF explained the situation and he mamasan was removed from the hotel. I felt like shit. But, there are guys that think if they yell loud enough or call the cops or cause you problems with hotels, etc that they will get what they want. I am sure that many of you read this and say, this is just bullshit. But, it happened. I was not proud of it. I was very embarrased. But, I tell it to say, this shit does happen. Perhaps I was a bit of a slut back then and had too many boys (2 rooms at that time at the hotel) but I was happy and they were happy. That said, I can tell you that I have had experiences like this in many places. However, I am also a New Yorker and usually go about my business as usual.

1. I don't own the board. I don't have a cat in this fight. 2. I have read Bullshit from posters in Pattaya for years. Many years. I learned to smell them out pretty quick but I didn't delete their posts. There is a disagreement as to whether or not the OP is true or false. You can't decisively prove it is false. Can you? If so, prove away. But, regardless of what you post, it won't be proof. It is your assumption. Message boards are full of posts that intelligent people have to decipher the veracity of each and every day. When I watch Fox News, I smell nothing but bullshit but there are others that believe it to be the gospel truth. Can people not just disagree without getting so upset? I am not upset with anyone. But, I do not see the need to ask someone to post a name they don't want to post. IMHO, that is just absurd. But, I know many of you think that makes me an asshole. That is OK. I don't really care to be honest. This is not a popularity contest and I only got involved to stick up for a new poster. I said my peace with it and I stated my opinion. The rest of my posts have been clarifying that for others, telling a few stories on the side and trying to get everyone to see that regardless of the OP's bullshit meter, the conversation afterwards has been meaningful and relevant to anyone visiting Thailand. I think there are many that can read this thread and not learn from it. We may all learn different things and that is OK. But, no one is going to force me to post a name or force me to post some information I don't want to post regardless of how much they want it. It just isn't going to happen for me and it won't for others either. That said, I really am not upset with anyone. We are all adults here and we can all have different opinions. I doubt I'll change mine and I don't I'll change many others. But, does that make either side irrelevant?

Do you know how many times I have heard that a certain bar boy had issues on the boards but posters refused to name names as it was not fair to the boy? Or, even one poster who use to say very negative things about a bar but refused to name the bar for fear of liability? Come on guys. Really? You want everyone to post names and dates right? Are photos next? Should we only use first names or can we use last names? Should we post photos of those sitting in Sunnee Plaza? Or, only those that take off boys? Look, there is a right for any poster to share what they wish to share and bullying them to share more is just stupid. I don't know if the OP is telling the truth or not. And, frankly, I don't give a flying fuck. Anyone that hires boys for money is going to run into trouble from time to time. If not, you must be the easiest lay on earth. I have been in rooms (cabinas) in Brazil where more was demanded than I was willing to pay even though the negotiated rate was disclosed up front. I have had similar things happen at Hero and I have had other boys ask for "present" or "tip." It is not uncommon. Shit happens when you hire younger guys to fuck for money. It is just the nature of the business. I flew a boy from Brazil to Paris one time. I stayed at the Intercontinental Hotel at over 800 USD a night. I took him to fine restaurants and a true VIP tour of Paris. I also had an amount of money set aside for his company. As we were walking home from Moulin Rouge Theater he saw a laptop computer in a window and he started begging for it. Please. Please. Please. This went on for hours. "It would be good for my life. It would help me so much." over and over and over again. This is a guy I had been with on trips before and he knows how well I tip. Finally, sick of the shit, I pulled out 2k EU for the computer and told him the money was there and he could take it and buy the computer but when he walked out of the door, I never wanted to see him again. He went back and forth and back and forth over and over and finally I repeated what he said, "good for his life." etc. He finally took the money and left. It was less than 1/2 of what he would have gotten from me and I never hired him again. I still see him in Brazil and I still hang out with him but never for money. He knows that was a mistake but he also knows that I will not hire him again. But, I did refer him to others and wrote reviews on boytoy.com to get him more business as he was a great guy and great sex. He just would not be good for a long time vacation. Shit happens. Clients are assholes at times. Hookers are assholes at times. That is the way it works. If you don't like it, don't hire anyone for sex. Some will be bad fucks and some will fuck your world in a great way. But, when you have an experience, it is your choice how much or how little you wish to share. Up until Firecat starting posting reviews from Gay Romeo on this site, no profile names were allowed and I do remember some that are now asking for that info in this thread were the ones that got upset if they were used. It is not a big deal to me one way or the other if the OP was telling the truth or lying. But, it is something I learned from him and it also just said to me, "Keep your eyes out." I don't mind paying bar fees. But, bars often fuck the boys over as well and they fuck the customers over as well. I have had far more issues with bars and manasans than I ever had at a massage parlor but I don't tell everyone to avoid the bars. I have also not gotten what I wanted from Gay Romeo but I don't tell me to avoid it. Find who you want, where you want, gather as much info as you can and make a good informed decision. I won't tell you which mamasan screwed me or which bar owner was an asshole either. But, they are out there. Lastly, I am not trying to argue with anyone. I am just trying to say there are different sides to every story and while you may believe the OP's post is bullshit (I am not disagreeing) I am only saying give them a chance. If you don't have the patience to do that, well, then shit....

I know for a fact things like this have happened in Thailand. So, everything you said is not on point. Right? No, you have that right and it is encouraged. But, bullying anyone into sharing more info than they wish to share is insane. IMHO I have told you this happened to a friend of mine on a trip with me. I know of others this has happened to. Blinders don't change that. It is rare mind you. But, shit like this does happen in Thailand and in Pattaya regardless of your belief in them or not.

Jab was not intended for you. (well, maybe a bit as I know you love it.) But, I have read the OP several times and I see no agenda there. He came to the same conclusion I did with Gay Romeo a long time ago. It was not for me. I use it from time to time and am often disappointed when they don't show up looking exactly like their photos. But, I am more of a person that likes to see what I am getting in the bar or massage kind of guy. Firecat is a friend and he has had tremendous success with Gay Romeo. I think it is wonderful for some people and for him, doing 10-20 boys a day (no jab intended) he gets what he wants and needes. Me, being old and worn out, I want to have one cute guy every once in a while and I really want them to have the tough personality I like and I don't often get that from Gay Romeo. I don't have an agenda when say that. I have reread the OP many things and don't see why anyone would jump to the conclusion that the OP is a bar owner or has an agenda. Maybe he does. I don't know but I enjoyed the story and it caused me to file his experience in my file of experiences from others. Mine are often different. I love Hero but many have said they do and find nothing for them. Firecat is one of them. He has been and found nothing he likes. I don't think he has an agenda to try to promote Gay Romeo. Everyone has different tastes. Also, having knowledge of the gay scene in NYC that was gay for pay for many years, I can tell you the OP story is one that has happened hundreds of time with independants there esp. from Craig's List. Years back, The Gaiety and Stella's and some amazing escort services were in place that allowed you to screne the guys. Those are all things of the past in NYC and now you must rely on online sites. And, I have heard several experiences like the OP just not often in Thailand. But, I have heard of this in Thailand and I have even heard of it from guys picked up on GR, the beach and the bars. I have zero agenda in saying that. I think we all must be careful in who we pick and how we pick them. Gay Romeo is very successful for many of you. Not for me. But, I like seeing the boy first and seeing this bad boy attitude. That does not come across on a website. I know of one group of old men in Pattaya who would get upset at one person or one bar and go to allt the websites and post shit about them to destory their reputation. I know they had an agenda but it was only obvious to those that knew them and knew what they wanted. I say this only to say that anything you read on any board must be read like a grain of salt. Read it. Digest it. Stll try the bar or the site or the service and see what your experience may be. Everyone will have a difference experience or it may be all the same. When I read something like the OP, I just store it for the future. I don't go on the attack to try to discredit the person but I don't have to believe everything they say either. I believe the OP's story may be true. I believe Willy doesn't believe it. I believe Firecat has amazing experiences on Gay Romeo. I believe GayButton tries his best to promote the good side of Pattaya and keep people coming there as he is like the Ambassador to gayness in Pattaya. I know that not everyone will have the same experience at the OP but in the fiture, someone will. And, I know that my post is not intended to take a jab at anyone but that some will see it as a personal afront. That is life on a message board. Now, those of you in LOS, (lucky bastards) go out and get laid.

Upgrade done. No one lost that I know of.

And may be down for a bit.

I get so sick of people accussing new posters of being scammers (admitedly many are). But, I hate even worse the old timers who try to rule by directive. "Give me the name or you are lying." Well, a board poster should be able to choose what he or she posts and regardless of the accuracy, intelligent people can make up their minds. People complain about the lack of posting and then when a good thread comes along, they attack. Fucking insane to think one can have it both ways unless there is another agenda at play. This is not an old boys club. Everyone should be welcome and regardless of their first post or 1,000th post, believe what you will or not. But, at least give them 20 or more threads to see if they are trolls or not.

I have had the same thing as the OP stated happen to a friend of mine one time. It was a big mess and it was my first tirps to Thailand and I didn't know the country, had no one I knew there. But, my friend just walked out of the room with the guy and left the hotel for him to complain all he wanted. This was in Bangkok and not Pattaya and from a guy at one of the boy bars on Soi Twilight. My friend was young and naive and didn't know what else to do. In Brazil, I have had guys ask for more money on several occassions. I try to be very upfront on the rate and the price. But, when I first went there and to Thailand, I was fresh meat and a real scam artist can smell that a mile away. Most of us are very old time guys who have done this a lot. But, the guys who are crooks can smell a new guy a mile away. On my last trip to Brazil, I found a true superstar at Lagoa in Sao Paulo. He asked for 500 R. That is 10 times the going rate but I was a gringo and he thought he could get it. I laughed at him. (stupid in hinesight) But, after a few days he saw I was there and spending money and he came over to my table with a drink he bought for me and said, "Lets start again." OK. I was impressed and paid more than the going rate but not 10 times that rate. Sometimes things like this happen. Why so much doubt for the OP? One that that many new guys say is they post their experience and others doubt it. I understand this and I have my own doubts but I have also heard of simillar experiences.

I have been to La Samana several times and it was always good and clean. I loved the jacuzzi room. There was a place called the Deville (I think) and I use to wait outside there for hours and I'd meet some cute new guys for my male escort service in NYC.