firecat69

Really and how hard do you think it would be for me to find hundreds of stories of priests , clergy etc who have all been accused and convicted of the same thing and mullahs much worse . The point was there are no religious institutions where kids are safe from pedophiles. Frankly I guess I always held monks in a certain , I don't know reverential esteem. Certainly as a non practicing Catholic , I was sad to see the disgusting events and cover ups in the Vatican of all these disgusting people. And certainly I have seen many stories of various other church elders etc with the same problem. I guess I always hoped Buddhist Monks were better then that . Shame on me!!

Are kids not safe in any church or temple? http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/489630/two-monks-arrested-for-child-sexual-abuse

That is certainly not my attention but rather I would hope someone that knows him would tell him this thread was essentially dead and he ressurected it with another attack on dinosaurs . The laughable thing is that he is the dinosaur and does not even realize it. Best he stay with what he thinks is his new audience and Good Luck to him and stay away from what by now he should realize is an audience that has no use for him. Hopefully Scooby will see fit to relock this thread and or ban him because the vitriol in this thread serves no useful purpose.

I really don't get what you have the gall to complain about. Apparently you are unable to post on any other Board and then you don't like the response so you feel you have been attacked. Maybe you have to re read your original article with the view that you are one of the aging ex-pats that you refer to. You got beat up by Bob who I assume you might think of as a friend and lives in your city. That should have been a clue how inflammatory your article was to the audience in this and most other Gay Forums. Bob is about as fair a member that we have here and he would have told you were nuts to submit it to this Forum Free speech is great and you should be able to print your thoughts right or wrong in your magazine . My guess is 95% of the members here and the other Forums would have never seen your article. Which would have been better for us and you!! But once you elected to post it here where many of the members fit the exact person you are attacking then you should have been ready for the attacks. Maybe you should try cartoons next?

http://www.flyertalk.com/story/thailand-sparks-controversy-with-creepy-tourism-ad-that-condones-stalking.html

I agree. It was entertaining if easily seen through in most twists.

http://news.yahoo.com/crackdown-bangkok-street-stalls-pedestrians-vie-space-062705060.html

Did not realize the numbers of non Thais in BKK was so high. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-peddicord/retire-to-bangkok_b_6653708.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

There you go again Z909 ( I thing Reagan said that). Maybe we should have a Board where members are banned for no reason and no explanation. Or a Board that stifles the kind of discussion we just had on Out Magazine because it was too personal. I kind of like it the way it is. Probably why warning points are so hard to come by! And Bob I'll give you a warning point for being the Face of Reason at least in most cases!

I know you got that Webster Dictionary you used in College sitting next to you in case Google goes out.

Interesting how Mister Barnes only refers to posts he agrees with and fails to answer why his veiled attacks on Gaybutton did not take place on his Board or at least both Boards. I guess that means I won't find the magazine at all the usual sex businesses that it was available at in the past. Might be nice if Mr Barnes replied to Bob who quite excoriated his whole premise and naturally he has no reply.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good ( sorry bad) story. Possibly he should have posted on the Board whose owner he may have perceived treated him unfairly. But maybe he is banned on that Board, seems to be a lot of that going around!

I know it's a little advanced for you so go back and hang out with Surfcrest with one of your other identities!

Maybe you have a reading disorder. I see no one applauding except maybe tongue in cheek. Even the worst article can have a kernel of truth as this one does . Still the OP gives no indication that he knows who his real audience is? But they are the people who frequent the only advertisers he has.

My favorite post in this thread and exactly on point. Why the OP posts this article here in a place full of aging ex pats who don't get it. (according to him). I'm pretty sure Thailand is way behind most of the Western World in its acceptance of gays. Did I miss it or did Thailand make it legal for gays to marry? Wonder how far you can go in a Company in Thailand if you are Out. Wonder how accepting Thais in the Upper Class of Thailand are towards Gay Rights? Not to say I don't agree with some of the overall points and frankly BKK is a different world then say Pattaya . Certainly in BKK I would guess the overwhelming majority of gays are not in the Sex Trade in anyway and would not be seen on or anywhere close to Soi Twilight. On Gayromeo, Jack'd , Grindr and Hornet etc , you will be hard pressed to find anyone in Pattaya that is not motivated by money either overtly or by suggestion. In BKK those same sites have a much smaller % of members who are interested in remuneration for sex. So IMHO this was the wrong place for the OP to post the article because many find it insulting . But if he really believes everything he wrote then he should not be plying his wares in all the businesses that definitely are the complete opposite of what he says Gays represent in Thailand.

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Well one thing for sure you can't do it in your home state of Alabama. I hate the FB team and now I have another good reason to hate that state. Are you sure that was your home??

I just don't understand the rationale. FH was dragged nowhere !! He started the whole debate by commenting on another Board about this Board on HIS perceived Abuse of the PM system.. He flat out stated ,there was a discussion of such currently on this Board. WRONG there was not until he brought it up and then he re-ignited a 2 year old debate of wrongs done to him ( in his opinion)which now what he wants to discuss. Before he wanted to cancel his membership and have nothing to say about it ever again. This then turned into friends supporting friends (as it should be) and people who have no dog in the fight making comments about something they should never comment on. Oh and by the way I have stated many times how valuable the contributions of FH were and how much personally I enjoyed both his posts and photos. He had ample opportunity to return and decided not to . But I am sick of hearing especially from members like Willie who offered nothing to this Forum when FH was a member . But now he praises him like he was the best member ever. And just to put this in perspective Michael did more for this site then 10 Fountainhalls. This site exists because of him. I am sure he is by far the most prolific poster here and he is the reason this site had by far the least number of banned members and yet continued to operate in a smooth fashion for years. These posts and sharing of his times in Thailand went on when he was Gay Thailand and then as Michael. And those conspiracy theorists who continue to say Michael still owns the site are out and out idiots. For what reason would an upfront owner who was also the most prolific poster suddenly decide to pretend he no longer owned the site. Of course there is no logical reason but because some members can't stand not knowing who the owner is , they start their own rumors and some willing sheep follow. Nobody has a right to know who the owner of this site is. It is up to the individual to reveal his ownership if he so chooses. And by the way one of the worst at suggesting and allowing to be suggested that Michael is still the owner is the revered by some FH. It is none of his business who owns the site and he should not be suggesting that it is Michael unless he is prepared to provide proof, which of course he cannot. Just a bunch of children with nothing better to do then suggest the moon landing never took place and Michael never sold Gay Thailand. Enough!!

As usual you twist everything to manufacture a problem where it is not. I have certainly not said FH is not truthful in regards to how he sees the events . I assume he is relating them in the way he perceives them and Michael is also doing that . There are times when perceptions are not always the same for all individuals. Although I don't know I would be willing to bet you have never met FH and as Michael says you love to stir the pot. When FH made the vast majority of posts here you were not even a member so you are just sticking your nose in where it does not belong. Of course maybe you were LMTU or used some other names previously. Thats what spin doctors like to do , change their names and have a different name on every Board so they can plead ignorance for anything stupid they say on one Board. Let me remind you I was there the night you and Michael stopped being very close friends. A more juvenile display by a grown man I have never seen. To my knowledge you never apologized for making an Ass of yourself to Michael or any of the other dinner companions.

Typical of your comments. Who made you the arbiter of truth. Have you given FH a lie detector test. Just because FH might honestly believe something does not make it the truth. You are free to consider what FH writes as the truth but you are not entitled to label it as the TRUTH. Because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. FH and Michael see this in their own eyes and apparently both believe they are truthful. And by the way this whole mess has been dredged up because of comments made by FH on Sawatdee about GT. So he has nobody to blame but himself.

I guess it must be for the simple minded. FH wants it both ways that it was his decision to leave the Board and that he was essentially driven off the Board by Michael who he thinks was the Owner posted by some of his admirers. Anyone back then read the incessant exchanges between FH and Michael. Started out with Hey Gay and extended to Michael accusing FH of making fun of contributors speech. FH challenged Michael to provide supporting documents and the bet would be dinner. Childish, you bet and the only losers were the members who had to read this ridiculous argument. Nobody gave a damn except the combatants . Any past meaningful discussion about PM's was about whether Board management had a right to read or make public PM's. Whether members have a right to make public PM"s to others is a totally different argument and between members. I f you send a PM to another member then it is up to the member whether he divulges it. Exactly the same as an email. Management was not involved . If FH wants to continue this fight then come here and do so because this is where it started and ended and taking pot shots from another Board diminishes him.

You have made some ridiculous statements in the past but saying FH was given the shaft takes the cake. He left the Forum of his own accord , how is that being given the shaft. He and Michael got in a vey public argument mostly caused by FH constantly trying to ban someone when Michael was the owner (gaythailand). Things were said and both sides , true or not I don't care. FH elected to take his football and go home. For some strange reason he considered himself omniscient that Micahel was still the owner . This continued with him telling Michael to delete his membership something only the owner could do and then got upset when it didn't happen. He should have tried addressing the owner if he wanted action on his membership. Plus the things he asked for were just ridiculous. Now as to Surfcrest again you have no idea what you are talking about. All posts between Surfcrest and me are on full display. There have never been any PM"s from me or him on this Board. So for you to state that I must have pushed hard is just fantasy by you and please try to prove me wrong. I was actually stunned when he banned me because he had no reason to take that action. I think I may have gotten one pm from him on Sawatdee which we settled. He made derogatory posts about this Board on this Board which first of all shows a total lack of Class from a Board Owner. The ideal is for the Boards to work together not criticize especially when that owner has contributed nothing to this Board in 8 years. Just for a comparison I have pushed the Iron Fist GB a thousand times harder and to my knowledge he has never considered banning me. If someone wants these Boards to be honey and sweet , they have no idea how a Living Board should function. I find it funny that Sawatdee has some nasty exchanges between individuals over there and I don't see anyone getting banned . Which is as it should be. But I guess that doesn't hold true if there is any disagreement with the Board Owner??

Sorry you feel that way Bob and I would not have posted anything except that Surfcrest had to announce to the world(Sawatdee) that he had banned me and then when he got no support he had to disparage this Board and its owners and members. Not to respond seemed to me to allow him to publicly get away with his remarks. Unlike him I have never said a bad word about Sawatdee. He however disparaged this Board both here and on his Board. Call me crazy but I think Board Owners should try to work together rather then criticizing each other! Hopefully this thread will end quietly and we can all go back to our favorite Boards, but here membership decides what happens (in most cases) and that is the way it should be.

I am not holding my breath. Frankly with his degrading comments about Michael and his Dogs (whoever they might be) in his mind , I think he should be banned from here . His definition of working with other Board owners is to insult them and their site if they don't meet what he considers appropriate!

Since Board owner Surfcrest is here every day, I thought I 'd give him something to think about. On his Board he started a thread named "The Flame Goes Out " referencing his banning me from his Board . Of course I was back on in 5 minutes but I have chosen not to post under my new name because it is his Board and he has a right to ban me from posting and I will not post. However it is a public Board and there are some really fun posters there that I quite enjoy. So I will continue to read it any time I want to. By the way I have never said anything negative about his Board although other members here certainly pointed out how ridiculous it was for him to maintain his Board had higher quality posts. Actually surprised he did not ban Bob also. Now back to "The Flame Goes Out" So he announces to his members that he has banned me . Why he feels the need to do this is beyond me but then he gets a rash of responses that he made a bad decision. At last count I think it was 11-2 against Surfcrest and one of the Two was GB who rightly pointed out that it is his Board and he can do what he wants no matter what any of his members think. His response is to cry about the abuse. So he starts the discussion and then does not like the responses?? " It boils down to this: I don't mind paying the bills to keep the forum alive and I don't mind the time required to keep the site maintained and the tinkering required to keep it working. I did not sign up for this to take abuse. I'm not looking for any "thanks" for doing the job...but the abuse makes it completely not worth while. Sorry about that! There was an additional comment that either firecat69 deleted or Gay Thailand deleted. It was inline with some of the other shit he's posted towards me in the past, many of which have been deleted (including whole threads - because that's the way Michael and his Dog work over there). I have no recourse on Gay Thailand, but I certainly do here. If I let him back here, I'm going to address all of that with him...and more. Can this be healthy for the board?" He insults the Board , its owners and its member and still he shows up here every day. Does he really think anyone is interested in what he says. He has been a member for 8 years and made 34 posts of little value. Let's see that is 1 post every 4 months . Does he think anyone here has any interest in what he says . If he does he is as delusional as the creep he bought the Board from. Anyone of any integrity would delete his membership before Board Owners ban him for his disgusting remarks on his own Board. He might even understand that since he banned me for a normal back and forth on a Board he does not own.