firecat69

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The most wrong you have ever been. Nobody can be right about whether where I stay or how I travel is a waste. They can decide it is a waste for them but they cannot be right that it is a waste for me. Some are able to spend the same amount more wisely then others and get far more for it. My beautiful ocean view apartment in Pattaya costs me 1200 baht a day. A ridiculously low amount for a beautiful apartment with Big Balcony over looking the ocean, big bathroom with big shower. Fabulous pool etc. Now I know you can get some 10x12 room with a cement bed , tiny shower ,old bedding etc and noisy a/c (maybe) and a ton of other things that make it unacceptable for me . Might even get it for 900 baht in slow season, more in high season. So I'm the one who doesn't get why someone would worry about 300 baht which for me is $8 when they probably spend 5x that on booze. And by the way same kind of apartments can be had in BKK ( without the Ocean View) So you can have OM YIM and places like it where the toilets don't work, the bedding is old, best check carefully for no bed bugs etc etc etc. I'll spend a tiny bit more and be very comfortable.

May be the best thing about Courtyard , showers with bench.

Maybe you qualify for Senior. 1600 baht cheaper then Tartawan . Great pool restaurant, Bar and staff. Can't beat it with a stick . 2 min to Skytrain

An excellent point. I re-read TD post and there is nothing there to say how the agreed 800 baht came about. If a boy offered to go with me for 800 baht , possibly I would accept with the intention of paying 1000. If the boy acted the way TD said this one did , I might just give him the 800. However showering with me would never effect my tip. Unless it was made plain that this was a requirement , I find many boys shy when it comes to showering with a customer. This is especially true if the boy is new to the scene. I always make it plain what I expect the boy to do even when on Gayromeo etc. It is silly not to tell the boy he must kiss or suck or Bottom or Top if any or all of those things are important to you. I understand in many cases the boy will agree to everything because he needs the tip and then may try not to do certain things. I love kissing and always tell the boys that is very important. Does not mean I get the kind of kissing I want and I always pay the agreed amount regardless and adjust any extra I might give according to how Happy I was. I do social Media a lot. Once in awhile the boy who shows up at the door is not the boy in the photos. I make it plain in our back and forth he must look like pics. If someone else shows up at the door , they get a 100 baht from me for their trouble. Once in a great while they get nothing because of attitude. These are all things we have to decide for ourselves . If you look at how many people visit this Forum any hour it is many many more then actual members or posters. What I wanted to make clear for first time visitors and those just dreaming of being able to come is that the Boys deserve respect and a fair amount. Over time the amounts that are the acceptable minimums have been talked about here over and over. I want them to understand why those amounts are fair and why they should not try either to pay the boys less or sit on their wallets when they go Bar Hoping.

I never thought you were a Cheap Charlie because of many other posts. But I still think it was important for new members , lurkers that may have never visited Thailand to understand what the acceptable minimum tip was for the boys. i unfortunately understand there are visitors who will try to take advantage of the boys and take advantage of desperation to pay as little as possible. And it is important for people to understand that just because a 1000 baht sounds like a lot for 2 hours work when Thais in real jobs make 50- 100 baht per hour,that there is a difference.. The difference is of course at least they are guaranteed a specific amount every month and can plan their lives. During low season Boys may go a week or more without an encounter. If they work in Bars they need small amount of tips they might get or Bar money for drinks ordered. You will see many post about how boys waste money on fancy phones. Again the casual visitor does not understand that most of those phones are fakes and very inexpensive. Yes some boys are lucky enough to have a BF and they may abuse their good luck by wasting money. They are a Minority. Most of the boys live 3-5 to a room with fans if they are lucky. They spend as little as they can on street food , no nice restaurants unless a farang is paying. Do they drink with their friends . Of course they do, they are young men and enjoy each others company and having fun like we all did many years ago when we were their age. The next time I find a visitor who would be willing to live the way these boys do will be the first time. And yes the overwhelming majority of them send money home to MaMa when they can. For those of us who visit here , mainly to have Sex with Cute Boys , we need to remember how lucky we are. And then do what we can to be fair with the Boys.

Stop crying Vianpu. You are paying that much next trip for a place no where near as nice. hehe

We'll agree to disagree. Anyone who can spend thousands in airfares , Hotels, Booze and Food can afford to pay a proper tip. If not they should stay home. I'm not being a savior paying the standard rate for years has been 1000 short time. I'm not saying anyone should pay more unless they want to but I am saying they should not pay less. And I'll continue to say it. I am well aware that for some cheap people it will make no difference. I see them all the time sitting on their hands in the Bars rather then giving a 20 baht tip or more. Anyone who pays less are cheating the boys that we all come to see. Unless they come from Africa or possibly some of the poorer Asian countries they have no chance of having Sex for what 1000 baht represents.

And the thing that some people fail to understand is if one boy is lucky and gets a few offs in a week while nobody else is getting any, he will share with his friends both for food and rent. Happens all the time . Boys take care of each other because most of the Bar Owners or Massage places could care less. There are exceptions but very few.

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First of all it is peanuts to anyone who spends thousands of dollars or whatever to fly to Thailand stay in Hotels and drink and eat for the express purpose of having sex with Thai boys. 2nd boys don't get it on a regular basis and may be lucky to get 1 or 2 offs a week, even less in Super Slow season which it is now. They have to pay rent, food ,phone and send money home. I am constantly amazed by people who think they are doing the boys a favor by giving them as little as possible and sitting on their hands in the Bars. Never buying drinks or tipping boys. I don't get it!!!

I disagree. Your choice to go to a Bar and your choice to go to a ST room. You have to accept those costs . Part of the Bar business. Otherwise you use Social Media which you did in the case of Moop. Reason I am pulled 2 ways in this argument is because you were generous with Moop. Was that because you saved on drinks, offs fees and ST rooms. I doubt it. The reason I have started this argument is because many people come here looking for advice for their first visit. Frankly IMHO I don't want anyone thinking it is acceptable to offer less then the going rate just because they can. At some point the Boys will go away and in fact I have seen a continuing reduction of Good Looking Boys. Certainly no comparison in the Bars anymore. None at the beach and the only savior has been social media sites But unlike 10 years ago when you could meet a stunning boy and he would still be working 5 years later , that rarely happens anymore. If it is not worth them leaving their poor home to come and make money to help family (and yes most of them do) then eventually they will not come. 1000 baht is peanuts my last trip, now even less with the devaluation of the baht. That should be the minimum offered and excellent service deserves more . IMHO

I would have only given the guy 800 also. The difference is I would not have offered only 800 in the beginning. Who know whether that would have resulted in better performance. The one thing I am sure is all the boys in the Bar will be likely to stay away from someone who only offered and paid a boy 800. Unless of course they are desperate and then they'll take anything.. Also it is not generalizing to say that the accepted rate for a Bar Boy off in Pattaya is 1000 baht. That is the case in almost any bar. Can you get a desperate boy after hours or a non Bar Boy offer to go with you for 500 baht. Of Course, desperation on the part of the boy does not mean you have to take advantage. IMHO

Sorry but that is not my meaning at all. It is about asking him to agree for 800 not the fact that he then tried to get more. I have offered hundreds of boys 1000 and some have asked for more afterwards. Some get it because they deserved it and some get a strong NO and I never see them again. Some get more even though they did not ask! Boy is not stupid. He knows the rate should be minimum of 1000 but was probably desperate since we have plenty of reports of Super Low Season. No customers and so boys having a hard time paying their rent, eating etc. Under your argument it is ok to offer the boy 400 baht because he is desperate and so I will save every baht for myself. Did you ever stop to think Boy already thinks Customer is cheap for trying to get him for 800 baht and therefore went into the bedroom thinking he would do as little as possible and get out. Certainly that is how I would feel. Not every experience is a 10. Some are 5's because many things go into making chemistry between 2 people. However when you don't add enough chemicals (money) the resulting encounter is likely to be unsuccessful .

Such a trying day? Why don't you try to imagine how trying every day is in Low Season for the Boys who give you pleasure. The accepted fair short term rate for years in Pattaya has been 1000 baht. Currently most visitors are getting more baht to their currency then before. Yet you had to squeeze out 200 baht or $6 for yourself by offering a boy 800 baht. He said yes because he would like to eat and be able to pay his rent and there are few customers Does not make it right and I just don't get it???. Especially when you were generous to Moop in paying him 2000 for an overnight.

You need to spend a little extra and take a favorite Boy by private speed boat to the other side of the island where the beach will not be crowded. Make sure private boat know private beach. You can take from Beach Rd or Jomtien. Tell them how long you want to stay and they will come back for you

To each their own. The sea in Pattaya is a sewer.I would not be caught dead in the water. Used to be lots of boys but they are gone and so it is nice to look at or take a boat to KoLan where the water is clear.

I rent a Studio in View Talay 6 next door to Central Festival Mall. Plenty of baht buses on Beach Rd and Pattaya 2 Rd. I like the space and Big Showers, pool, laundries etc . Works out to about $40 a day for a month and goes up for shorter stays. www.candobooking.com

I complete my first RT on EVA soon and I thought they were great. Excellent cheeseburgers for snacks . Next 2 years I will be using miles for my trip so whatever I can find on UA and DL using their partners. My return on upcoming trip will be on CI China Airlines which gets great reviews and goes through Taipei. I refuse to go through China because everyone complains about their connections. Have a trip through Europe and on to BKK via UA and Thai Air on their A380 next year.

Stayed there quite some time ago. Not impressed when they were much newer and frankly I don't like the location. Everyone knows your business but that is just me. Great thing about Pattaya, plenty of choices in all price ranges.

Don't know what kind of Hotels you like. It would be hard to beat the price for the Courtyard in another thread here during a Flash Sale by Marriott. It is a very nice hotel with Big Showers and never had any problem with guests . Just make sure you reserve for 2 people. Tons of choices in Pattaya depending on what you like and when your trip is.

I have never seen a refundable Flash Sale. That would be a first. At that rate it is only $63 per night.

How long you there?

Michael You paid in full non refundable? Be still my heart. First time ever. That is a great flash sale . Too bad they are not having it for Renaissance which is my first choice and usually only 20% more and well worth it. I agree that it is a nice Hotel with a good Breakfast Buffet and nice staff. If you get at least an upgraded Corner Room which I know you will, it is quite nice.

It all comes down to a personal choice. The OP stated he has visited BKK many times so I assumed rightly or wrongly that he has done the Tourist things. So then it comes down to Boys and whether Massages, Beer Bars or GoGo Bars or shows are your thing. Also if you like the social media sites. I lived in BKK 2 1/2 years and more trips then I can count to both places. I average 2 boys per day so the difference in prices between the 2 places adds up to a substantial amount. I don't drink so it gets old paying 350-400 baht for a soda in BKK vs 180-200 baht in Pattaya. I can't imagine sitting through more then 1 or 2 shows in a trip so both places have an adequate selection and in Fact if you want Full Sex shows there is a better chance to see it in Pattaya then BKK under the new restrictions. Of course this changes weekly. Pattaya is much more compact so traffic jams are less of a problem. But for me the biggest difference is the Social Media sites which I use frequently and in Pattaya you can find a boy 24 hours a day and have him in your room in 30 minutes. Much much harder in BKK I still love BKK but for the city more then the Boys. I always spend 5 nights there at the end of my trip and that is enough for me.