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So, I ignored that part of the comment somewhat deliberately. Nowadays, any kind of large-scale sex venue in China is pretty much dead, be it gay or straight. The problem is mostly that the cities with sex venues are too small to have somewhat of a gay tolerance to have a gay sex scene, but the cities with enough gay tolerance are too big for the scene to develop without being raided. Your best bet would be medium-sized cities like Chengdu, Chongqing, Suzhou, Changsha etc because they're big enough to have a gay scene but not big enough for the local government to really give a shit about policing everything. In larger cities such as Beijing or Shanghai I wouldn't bother outside the mainstream legit gay clubs that already exist, but those aren't necessarily MB places That's not to say that the scene is non-existent, it definitely isn't! It's just that it's mostly temporary hidden backdoor venues, they're small, non-professional and almost always closes after a few months. That's why I said in that post that your best bet is a local gay friend (a local horny gay friend, preferably haha), they'll probably be more attuned to the ever-changing local scene. Lacking that, twitter is really not that bad of an alternative either, there's pages that updates about the local scenes in cities, SPA pages and such, even if the places suck you can use those to connect to other people and get a better insight into the local scene. But do keep in mind that most of these places aren't really where MB would hang out, being a MB can send them to administrative detention, and there's no reason for them to risk themselves being arrested if they can simply advertise from the comfort and safety of their own home. Now, these are mostly medium to long term options, they aren't really helpful tips if you're just going on vacation and want something to just pop-in. For that I recommend Blued, it's the go-to gay app in China, but be aware that there's a chinese version that isn't the same as the international one! And I've never heard of stories such as yours! I think you might've just been insanely unlucky, I never had such a bad experience neither know someone who does. They know that what they're doing is illegal and can get them arrested, it sounds stupid to me for them to cause a ruckus like this. If you stick to the more "professional" ones I think you'll be fine, they don't wanna risk being reported and losing their livelihood for a few bucks. But they don't come cheap! The sweet spot imo is around 2000-3000rmb, it's where you'll find quite amazing boys without overpaying much, but some charge as much as 7000+. I'll write a post about chinese slang and "codenames" to identify a MB and how to book one, but that might take a while to gather the willpower haha

Heh, I'm from Brazil! And I agree with most of your points too (except the food, I much prefer brazilian food over thai, but maybe I'm a little biased 😉). We don't really have a tourism focus like Thailand, so I suppose most of these complains are expected (even for locals!). We also don't have much of a massage culture hahaha, some boys offer it but I never tried it out, it's probably pretty shit. I suppose I just enjoy the latino style more, there's just more "fire" to it, I don't know. We're also pretty open as a whole and wilder, come out with the weirdest shit and we'll be excited to try it out, while thais shudder at handcuffs 😜 . Also, I don't know if we're necessarily better at holding our alcohol, but we're definitely experts at hiding we're drunk as fuck😂 I think that's a good point, my ingenuity definitely played against me here. But my main point is still that I just didn't found Bangkok a great city, it's not that it's boring per se, it's just really ordinary. It doesn't feels exotic, it doesn't feels like a vacation, it just feels like I'm back home but with Thai writing and rats. And I just really disagree with Bangkok being the gay capital, the gay life is pretty ordinary, hell, the ones working at gay bars are mostly straight ffs hahaha. The gay venues in Sao Paulo are much better in almost every aspect. I'm not new to Thai culture either, I have tons of Thai friends and classmates, I suppose I just expected that behind closed doors it would be a little different. And I think I just didn't enjoyed much the bar thing as a whole, I just wanna have a good time and be done, but the whole bar thing feels like such a chore... I think I'm just not the target audience Hahahaha I was actually thinking if this would be asked! The Chinese scene definitely isn't as open as Bangkok's, but it's suuuuper huge! But if you're not a mandarin speaker, I think it would be quite hard to break into. You can find actually quite a huge chunk of it on Twitter, but you will eventually head down to WeChat. Since it's all underground, your best bet is always going to be knowing local people at the specific cities you want to go to. For big cities (most capitals) you can download Blued (the chinese version! the one on the appstore is international) and there will be tons of MBs already, ask them out or befriend other Chinese and ask for tips of where to go or to hook you up into the wechat groups. For Twitter, you can start following one chinese porn account and follow their followers, the people that comment etc and just build up a lil base for the algorithm to recommend you more stuff. This is where the mandarin knowledge kicks in, because people will use slangs that a translator won't understand, so you need to know them beforehand. The most obvious one is if they have 约/可约 in their bio, it means they're avaliable for hookups, they'll usually say SPA or 按摩 (massage) too. Other keywords can be 可线下，门槛 etc. If you can access 抖音 (chinese version of tiktok), a very large number of "influencers" are MBs too, most hot boys posting sexy videos under 30k followers with a wechat attached can probably be booked (look at the comments too, people usually say if they ever did any porno ;p) But Chinese MBs aren't really looking for hookups. They're pretty expensive for short time sex, starting at 2000rmb at the low end and 7000+ at the high end, since they get most of their money out of sugar daddying, not really the prostitution itself. So they're looking for a "sponsor" or a bf, servicing you might be a low priority, and they might ask for lots of stuff. But I can make a whole post about it, there's too much to write in just an unrelated comment! hahaha

Hey all! Been a lurker here for some time and finally visited Thailand for the first time some at the beginning of August. Been meaning to write this post for a while now, but been procastinating for far too long 😂. Oh well, here we go! To start, I'm from Latin America but currently live in China and I'm pretty damn young, younger than most bar boys even hahaha. I don't really know why I engage with bar stuff/moneyboys, I really don't need it, but in a somewhat wicked way I do somewhat enjoy the dynamics of it... I don't know 😛 (be it in Thailand, China or back home). Anyway, everyone know's Thailand's fame for this kind of stuff, so I was excited! China's MB scene is quite great, amazing handsome boys that enjoys doing all kinds of stuff, but oh is it expensive!! You can easily spend $400+ for short time, which is not really sustainable At first, I went to GBEAT Spa. No real reason, but I had a thai friend recommend it to me (I suspect he worked there lol). Prices seemed reasonable, boys were mostly meh but I found one that really caught my eye. Boys were divided into "gay" and "men", which i thought slightly funny lol. The room was nice enough, the boy was super nice but the massage was pretty mediocre and he couldn't for his life find my asshole, my poor perineal! When it was time to spice things up, I asked to top him and he was utterly confused saying he was never asked to bottom before. Thankfully, even though he acted surprised a little he didn't seemed to bother it and did it anyway, I thought he was just playing hard with the whole "ohh noo I've never done it beforee.." thing, but oh boy! That INSANELY thigh ass almost ripped my cock out 😂. Felt a little bad for him, even more because he was clearly struggling with it, so I left a bigger tip at the end (even though he nailed the fuck out of my butt 😅). When I said that I spoke Chinese, he started moaning in Chinese, which made me really struggle not to laugh One day later, I wanted to try out the bars. I'll start by saying that the LGBT scene in Bangkok as a whole really dissapointed me, I was kinda expecting something more, I don't know. Few bars and most of the boys honestly didn't looked that great... but anyway! I was reading conflicting info about all the bars, so instead of trying to min-max my night I just walked into the first one I saw haha that one being HotMale! The bar was empty... literally! I had all of the boys on stage looking at me and vying for my attention, it was quite the awkward position 😅. Honestly, most of them were preeetty damn ugly, but at that point I had already paid for my drink, so might as well stay! I ended up calling a cute Cambodian boy (I think 31 or 32), he couldn't speak much English and just kept using his small vocabulary (mostly variations of "i fuck"). The mamasan had pretty good English and we kept chatting a little, until he told me to take the boy out and he took me to a hotel upstairs (I couldn't take him to mine). The boy was still cute but kinda felt like a slab, pretty uninterested in the whole thing. After a miserable amount of roleplay he cums and.. leaves?? Demands 2000bht for not even 15m of sucking. I was aware that he was bullshitting me big time as I made the mistake of telling I was new in the city, but oh well, not worth the hassle, so I just paid and left in frustration for my first night 😂 The next day I went back to the first SPA I went, I really liked the first boy and I wanted to try out the 4 hands massage. Wanted to call another boy that I almost chose the first time, but according to the manager he was sick, so I spent some time looking around again as many boys couldn't work in a pair according to the manager, I ended up choosing someone kinda meh but still hot enough. We went upstairs to the same room as last time and they waited outside for me to take a bath. The massage this time was actually not bad at all, the new dude had great big hands and the old one knew how to make it really erotic by hitting the right places and moaning in my ears. The new one seemed pretty disinterested and in a hurry, which kinda sucked, but he also cummed many times and kept placing my hand on his cock, so who knows 😅. Cute boy however never took out his underwear, this time no penetration happened in 2hrs After that I went to the southern islands in the gulf and spent quite a few weeks, I only returned to Bangkok when it was time to catch the flight back to China. Nothing happened during this time as there wasn't much on the islands for that and I was having a great time overall. When in Bangkok, I wanted to overcome my shitty first bar experience and go somewhere that actually had people for a change. I ultimately settled on Dreamboy due to some Chinese tourist recommendations, and have to say that it didn't disappoint at all! The only thing that REALLY annoyed the hell out of me was that maybe due to my age, clothing etc the staff ignored me quite a lot, lost the boy I wanted cuz the mamasans clearly ignored me. Anyway, I ended up calling 103 from the show, he was quite huge and looked so happy dancing! He sat really excited next to me and took out the phone from his pocket for us to chat though the translator. He was from Myanmar and we watched the show together while he groped my body from top to bottom while wearing his dancing jockstrap, quite nice! Ended up offing him and it was the complete opposite from the other dude, he was a total sweetheart from beginning to end. Grabbed me though my waist or shoulders while we went to 7-Eleven and lied me down on his legs while we were on the taxi on the way to the hotel. On the hotel, we took a bath and when I went to bed he was already laying down stroking his rock hard cock looking at me and using all of his english to say "Come suck". Oh yes I will~. The sex was phenomenol, but I embarassingly didn't last long (at least not long enough to warrant the short time ;P) and he already got all dressed up. What's up with Thai boys and wanting to dash though the door at the first opportunity 🙃 Oh well, final considerations: I honestly really disliked Bangkok. Not only for the boys, but I genuinely didn't find anything special with it, really. Insanely dirty, overcrowded and nothing much to see if you're already used to Asian life. Most of the other young tourists I met were backpackers with shit for brains with an insanely high-and-mighty attitude and no respect or common sense whatsoever. Sooo many people that travelled all over the world but seemed to have lever left the same place, idk. The boys themselves were fine but honestly nothing special either, I much prefer the ones back home. The bar system is quite needlessly overcomplicated and the boys aren't really cheap or hot enough to warrant the price. Back home I can just pay 1800 with no hotel, drinks, off fees and god know what and just fuck with the hottest people you can imagine (and they aren't straight neither will complain if you get 200m too close to their butthole even if by accident). I suppose I'm just not the target audience, I really just want to fuck while I feel like in Bangkok they're selling a whole love experience, I don't know how to explain. I want to just switch off my brain and get railed/rail someone, but I feel like I have to micromanage the Thai boys to do anything, otherwise they just stay there. Feels too commercial maybe. I'll be back for sure, but next time I can just stay for two nights, have some fun and leave, maybe I'll have someone from the forum help me out hahaha