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Amongst the host bars, Tawan, Moonlight and Jupiter have more muscly guys, the Tawan guys in particular have many with a bodybuilder physique. If you search for the names of those bars, you will find several posts withing the last month where people visited them and gave their opinion.

That is all very well, commendable even, but as I said in an earlier post, if one is asked about the "going rate" in a visitor-oriented message board, I think it is only fair to give the "going rate" rather than the "generous guy" rate. You can urge generosity if you want, even say the "going rate" is far too low if you like, but I think if people make a regular habit of giving the answer that they think should be given, rather than the actual answer, to such questions, it will only cause the board to lose credibility in the long run.

You wouldnt have lasted long in the old Thailand-based boards back when i started reading them (around 2007). Back then they seemed dominated by a bunch of low-income retired expats who used to get a fit of the vapours when anybody reported that they may have paid more than 700 baht for short-time. If you did a trip-report in which you foolishly informed all and sundry that you gave your favourite guy, say, 1500 on your last night, they would jump on you like a bunch of hungry hyenas. It was quite funny at times, but I am glad that phase seems to have passed too...

My comment was based on your negative reaction to a discussion of what the going rate for a certain sexual service, considering that on this board there are constant discussions about fee rates in Rio bars, saunas in Barcelona, escorts in Prague etc. All of the issues you have raised concerning the correct way to view a fee for services rendered it would apply in those situations as well. Your disapproval of the suggestion that the “going rate“ may have been to less than what you thought appropriate was what surprised me, given your presumed familiarity with such discussions. Regarding the point on the “business model”. Perhaps it is overly clinical term. But I just meant that the way that remuneration works in sleaze bars in Sunee is different than, say, with the guys who work in a host bar in Jomtien. There, you might be drinking with a customer who sits with you for two or three hours then he brings you back to his hotel and pays you 1500 baht. So your total earnings for the night are 1500 baht (plus your share of off fee and drinks). However, in Nice Boys in Sunee, you might get 300 baht from a customer at 8 pm for a bit of hands-on, you make it 500 baht from a customer that sucks you off at 9 pm, you might get 700 baht from another customer in the bar that you chuck wow for at 10 pm. You get a share of the drinks fee too, of course. So you end up with the same money for your nights work, even though you get it from three short encounters with customers over the night, rather than one long one. The fact that a customer can have a hands-on experience (as opposed to full sex) for a quite a small outlay therefore attracts more customers into the bar, perhaps including people who will go on to off a guy from a host bar in Jomtien complex later that night. The various types of bar have their own niche, and which one is the better or worst deal for the bar guys themselves is a matter of opinion.

I dont disagree with any of that, but I don't think that is necessarily incompatible with my comment above that "if there is a going rate for a service, mentioning that amount honestly is fair". Obviously any opportunity to suggest people be generous or pay over the odds should be taken also, imho.

Please elucidate. I a not really a fan of "Cocks out" sleaze bars myself, so dont worry, I wont take it personally. My understand of the rates in the sleazy bars is more from talking to people who are fans of such places than personal experience. Certainly, in my limited experience, the customers leaving those particular bars seem to have more been giving a clutch of 100 baht notes to the guys they had been sitting with than anything larger. Perhaps I was just there on nights stingy guys were in, if other posters who have personal experience of those particular bars want to chime in, I for one would be interested to read their views. You seem to think that discussing the issue of the going rate for sex providers dispassionately makes one a bad person or something, Reader, a slightly unusual viewpoint for somebody who has over 4,000 posts on this particular message board, I would have thought. It is just a fact that there are several different types of gay sex-orientated bars in Pattaya with different business models.There is the gogo bars with shows in Boyztown, the host bars and "hands on" bars of Sunee, and the host bars and massage outlets of Jomtien. I think it is fair on a board such as this to discuss the business models of the various establishments without worrying that people will get all het up. Obviously, the guys providing the service should never be short-changed, but I think that if there is a going rate for a service, mentioning that amount honestly is fair. Personally, I feel that the going rate for guys in Pattaya is in general probably too low, considering that there seems to be a difficulty in attracting enough workers to gogo bars and the Sunee Plaza sleaze bars, and the particular, often demening, demands of such work . But that is another question to what the going rate currently is.

Well, I think the OP wants to do just that, but without paying over the odds. The name of the bar was not mentioned, but I presume that it is one of the anything goes places in Sunee. Their business model is for customers to come in and buy drinks and spread a few red notes around for a bit of a feel, maybe a purple note for a suck. If customers felt obliged to pay 1000 every time they briefly sucked off a guy in such bars, I suspect the bars would not probably be around for much longer, as this would destroy their business model. Obviously if one wants to pay 1000 (or 10,000) baht for good service, and and to make the guy happy, that is great, but if one is asked about the "going rate" in a visitor-oriented message board, I think it is only fair to give the "going rate" rather than the "generous guy" rate.

I would have thought that 1000 for a sucking his dick in a bar would be being quite generous. After all, if you take him out, he loses the opportunity to gain another customer, wheres as if you pay him and leave the bar, he could be sitting with another customer in 5 minutes. It would depend for me whether he cums or not, as this may be unable to do so again for another customer that night , and so lose out if that is important to a prospective customer. I would say that just for oral without cumming in a bar, 500 would be generous amount, but if the guy came I would give him 1000 at least. Obviously if you want to be generous, that is great too.

As this board is devoted mainly to those topics, it s hard for people to even know where to start answering such a general question. Perhaps if you narrowed it down, people could help. Like...are you looking for mainly paid encounters, or free? If paid, are you looking for more twinky guys or more muscly guys? Also, for a gay massage do you want just a hand job or the whole works. Again, do you prefer a masseur who is twinky or muscular? And so on.

That is unfortunately true. However, I think we should resist the tendency towards moral paralysis that might induce. If we wait until western Europeans are no longer racist before we support action to help any victimised white and Christian country, we will end up helping nobody at all in this century.

I am in the same situation. I was never a particularly prolific poster there (where I post under the name RonanTheBarbarian), but I have deliberately kept my posting there to a minimum since the invasion (other than some postings in the aforementioned extremely lengthy war thread). I just didnt feel comfortable posting there any more. Others are free to take their own view, of course.

Yes, It was me that sent the PM. Glad to assist

I know that you are a South America focused guy Latbear4blk, but I am amazed that you do not know of the Sawatdee Network forum. The grandaddy of all the gay whore-monger forums, sadly now reduced to a shadow of its former self. Discretion precludes me from elucidating further, but suffice to say that if the current owner there had been out in his predecessors time, he would likely have been on the side of Pharoah....

An interesting question...

To quote Wikipedia: "Luk khrueng (Thai: ลูกครึ่ง, literally "half-child") is a colloquial Thai term referring to a person whose parents are of different nationalities". In the specific example above, I thought the guy in question looked like he had a European father and a Thai mother, or vice versa.

I see that Moonlight posted a video from Saturday night https://www.facebook.com/MoonlightBangkok/videos/976617829654662 You get a very clear view of the models physiques in it. (It may only be viewable if you are logged in to Facebook) Two things that struck me. -the first guy that appears in it- he really looks like a "luk krung" to me in that video. Turned out to be a handsome combination in his case anyway, if that is the case. -as you watch the video, you can see there is a guy standing at the front of the stage putting garlands of ten 1000 (or is it 500?) baht notes on most of the dancers. Not all, however. I wonder if he is staff or a customer. Seems like too much a an assembly line operation for a customer to do so...

Thanks for the explanation

As I said in my post, the fact that the boxing ring was situated about 200 metres from a gay sex district meant that it was probably a bit unique in Thailand as regards the awareness and receptivity of the guys to approaches...

I would be interested to know a bit more about how the difference between floor guys and models plays out in the bar. Do the floor guys never get on stage at all? And what is the difference between a floor guy and a waiter?

Probably the biggest problem is the language barrier. How to make your intentions clear if you can’t understand each other? Places like Pattaya or Bangkok will probably be your best chance, where waiters and bellboys in establishments frequented by gay customers probably know the score. I have read in the past about guys who even managed to hire str8 Muay Thai boxers. However, this was from a place just outside Walking Street in Pattaya. Until a few years ago there was a bar, located on the left as you exit from Walking St onto Beach Road, which had on the premises a Thai boxing ring. This was intended as an attraction to punters; they had exhibition matches of Thai boxing. The bouts were pretty fake from all accounts. After the bouts, the guys would go around soliciting tips. If you gave them a few 100 baht tips, it would get their attention. I remember reading about a guy who started buying them drinks, and eventually after much compliments on how muscular they were, and telling them what a fine "puu chai" man they were, etc, he was successful in enticing them to his hotel hotel for some compensated fun. Not sure if all the guys were up for that option, but that uncertainty was what made it more exciting for those that partook in the chase. However, I believe that bar is now closed, and your chances of success in this might be somewhat different in the rest of Thailand, most of which wouldn’t happen to have a gay sex district within 200 metres, as that boxing ring had.

Please provide a report back if you do.

It does not come up in a Google search. However, if you do a Google maps search for a business in Pattaya called "The Clubhouse, Home of ANMC & MDMC", you will get the business right next to it. You will have to search for the full name of the Clubhouse as given above however, as there are several other places in Pattaya witth "The clubhouse" as part of the name. This is what the Friendly Club looks like in streetview:

I am afraid you have to be logged in to Facebook on another tab for it to work. Otherwise you will just get the Facebook log-in page.

If you are interested in karaoke bars with male hosts , there are several in Pattaya which are a good bit cheaper. In a recent review elsewhere of Friendly Club,in Soi Korpai the poster stated "there are line-ups every hour or so and you have to call the boys down to join you for a ‘drink’ – about 200 baht a boy, and the boys are yours to talk to, dance with or flirt with until the next line-up". Mostly Thai for Thai, but as it is Pattaya there are a few tourists a well. Might be a cheaper way to experience it. You can see the FB page of Friendly Club here: https://www.facebook.com/Friendlyclubpattaya/

A Russian man’s view of Putin's propaganda. For several years I have been watching a YouTuber called NFKRZ. It is run by a young Russian guy called Roman, who used to post videos about daily life in Russia, including politics culture etc. With the outbreak of the war he, like a lot of other liberal minded Russians, has fled the country, in his case to Georgia. This week, he posted an interesting video looking at some of the left-wing propaganda outlets to Russia controls, and is using to spread its line about the Ukraine war. It is quite commonly known that Russia pumps out a lot of propaganda on Facebook and the RT News channel, usually praising Putin as a proper conservative and aimed at FOX News watching types. But they also control other, left-leaning websites, and that churn out propaganda that is meant to appeal to left wingers, usually focusing on perceived or real western hypocrisy. I kind of knew this already, but it was interesting to see it from the perspective of an anti-Putin Russian person. Watch below: