Olddaddy

This trip I have had only around 3 or 4 duds . Not bad with the amount I boys I have taken over the last 6 weeks . Now I guess technically I was " conned" on one boy,my stupid fault ! I was drunk and he was extremely good-looking, great talker & smile. Offed him from a massage 500b ,he had a big dick, everything I wanted from a top Once back in the room he couldn't get it up, but we tried to do other things unfortunately his phone kept ringing , mamasan at the massage place, now technically I paid him for the hour, his massage was not good and he tried to rush me ,about 30 minutes service out of 1 hour ,no sex as he was flaccid puffy cock with some silicone , So I still tipped him the agreed price of 1500.,waste of 2000 altogether though more my fault as I was drunk, and I guess he used that to his advantage. Second one a Grindr guy turns up at my hotel, unfortunately wasn't him in the pics, he finally agreed it wasn't him and his "bar" where he worked ,boy busy they send me he says . He was like 35 and feminine compared to the boy in the pics who was 25 manly with tatts ,gave him 100b as he was angry and closed the door ,he demanded 500,you pay me 500 ok he is shouting in hotel Now guys I was told that on the Grindr app you can actually video call free ?¿?? So I will try this if it's possible? Third guy i got from a Go Go bar seemed nice n sweet,polite Cut a long story short , caught him rummaging thru my clothes,pretended I didn't see him as they were only the dirty laundry.Another farang I spoke to later at a bar suggested he was only interested in me and was trying to find out more information 4th guy was 45yo was supposed to be free even put it in his profile no money boys ,got him from Grindr , I ended up giving him the pleasure,sucking his dick ,rimming him etc ,he cum and after shower asked me for money for taxi which I didn't mind maybe 100,but unfortunately I never saw a Grab at 1000 baht ! Now this is a very small percentage and you have to expect at least some negative percentage. I know CHRISTIAN would do a graph on this 🤣🤣🤣but I think it's like 4%

I guess say if you lived here (expat) in Pattaya say on a "mature aged pension" (sounds PC, rather than say old age pension😂) then it would be a bit difficult paying those sort of prices all the time .

Guess I should add the Philippines Lots & lots of Gay4pay guys mostly all Top (Manila) expect around the 1000-2000 peso mark .and less ,all gay apps ,many straight ,looking for extra money Other cities ,Gensen ,Davao ,Cebu ,many guys available many wanted from 500 peso to 1500 peso but mostly in the lower range If your a top in the Philippines you will probably get for free ,a lot of Filipino guys just asking taxi money but if your a bottom like me and want straight guys then they call themselves "for hire" The thing is unless your a social type guy it's mostly all gay apps,

Sorry ,you just have the same attitude as John,though you were him ! My bad

Great point , I guess not really nowadays as much . But I was just talking to a old time boy in jomtien complex who told me not many farangs because prices are rising too much established by bar owners etc ,he is a freelancer.l,but beers 120b in beer bars etc he mentioned that was keeping expats at home while go Go bars 250 etc Can I ask the rough price for sex in Guatemala? And other places

You aren't John are you? The guy who sat next to the boy I was drinking with and completely ignored me?

Whilst Thailand is still a cheap place for Gay4Pay sex encounters,it's service cost is rising So by the time you buy a drink, boy drink ,off fee I see now in Pattaya at some place 500/600 plus the boy tip etc it can be costly every night,unless of course you can negotiate over the apps . So where are the cheapest Gay4pay countries?

The ironic thing is back in 2009 when that middle aged Belgium guy done that to me in corner bar,U actually used reverse psychology by talking to the Farang who was a expat and buying him a drink, suddenly he didn't want to know the boy anymore and I ignored the boy after that

But there's a difference you mention. Your not approaching the boy ! If your sitting with a boy ( in a beer bar) ,bought him a drink and was sitting next to him chatting and I came along sat on the other side and either started talking to him or bought him a drink, that's the difference

I don't have deep conversation with them about the sex life of ants on Africa...it's usually where U come from? Etc

I can't understand what this person was thinking unless he thought you left? But when he seen you come back he still sat there? I don't understand why

This is the 3rd time this has happened in the last 25 years of coming to Pattaya but still it makes me angry. The other night I'm in a bar bought the boy a drink, sitting next to each other,the boy says hello to John or whatever his name was, john sees the boy with me but ignores me and sits on the other side of the boy. John completely oblivion to me starts chatting to the boy who turns his chair to John. Now john didn't bother to buy the boy a drink but obviously knew him as a customer I was going to say something to John but thought let it go This once before happened to me in about 2009 in Sunee Plaza which a farang butted in and bought the boy a drink whilst he already had one !! Just right in front of me got on the other side of the boy and bought him a drink !! Me sitting there looking a dummy ! , I then walked away leaving the boy and the Farang , later he went too and the boy came back to me in the bar ,I just paid the boy drink without tip and left too after that ! But guys !! Surely Surely you must SEE the boy is SITTING with another farang ???? Why would you do that ? Should I get into a physical fight with the interfering farang? Its just plain rude surely you are not that ignorant? Is it a power play ? Have to feel like your powerful ?

Omg your right ! I will have to carry hand sanitizer I tipped 500 baht to suck him...but if I was just wanting i think 300 is ok. They seem to have a "time limit" on the drink maybe 10 minutes?

I tipped 500 ,bought him a drink,sucked his dick around 10 minutes

Guys help me out ,I feel dumb I'm in Pattaya now and I haven't been in a gay go go for years. Last night I was in one, had a boy sit next to me bought him a drink etc. I touched his dick ,he drank the drink in about less than 10 minutes, I should be honest , I touched his dick and sucked him for a few minutes didn't cum How much is a tip that's not under or over Now I saw other farangs kissing boys next to them ,one in particular didn't look like he was enjoying it but on leaving the Farang must of left a small tip because the boy never even said goodbye to him and opened the folder and turned his back on the Farang. I noticed he had been deep kissing him for like 20 minutes

I like the Zing,the day manager is always very nice to me everytime I walk past etc, I find it run efficiently. May I ask what problems you had at the Zing We all have different experiences so just like to know

Joiners are ok at Agate, I prefer Zing resort but Agate is more modern rooms & a bit more expensive. Not sure about East Suites though

Nowadays do they still have the adult DVDs at the markets ? Obviously you can watch them online ,but I can't remember that night markets I went to a few years ago that sold dildos ,DVDs, poppers etc

Went to SM mall Asia last night, the biggest shopping mall in Asia situated on the waterfront area near Conrad's casino hotel Action in the toilets at SM shopping mall Asia ! My Filipino bf was being sucked off in the cubicle , a lot of bisexual Filipino daddy type in there though obviously family men wanting a bit of action,not my cup of tea. As for Siam roads tour guide still no response from that gay tour company so I won't bother with them,I'm a little bit sad as I thought they were reliable and wanted to book day & night tours but no response to my umpteen emails. Gay night life here there is the Apolla , haven't been though bits a gay male table top dance club. Last night walking thru Malate a suburb of Manila I'm being approached by both younger guys & girls for room massage but some looked a bit young and I don't want to start checking identity etc ,no doubt they were 18 just I didn't feel in the mood ,but I guess I could of tipped the security guards to check. After today I will head up to Angeles City which is a red light city 2 hours north of Manila. Grindr is far different here in Manila than say smaller cities as Davao etc,the guys look younger here in Manila 18ish and obviously are more money boy inclined rather than the other cities who seem just to want to have sex Seems no free sex here in Manila unless your into daddy types .

Manila is extremely busy, you have to get used to it, I can't say it's like Bangkok though Filipino people seem to be more aggressive in their approach, they push their way into buses & SkyTrain etc . They don't seem to be as placid as Thai people , you could easily upset these people I find ,they aren't as friendly or relaxed as Thai people. But it doesn't stop me from looking at the passing eye candy in the street, I have noticed the boys dress very nice clean t-shirts etc I like Manila , I feel relatively safe,no one has been aggressive to me except the taxi touts at the Manila airport..but next time I will know to book a car before I arrive. But Bangkok beats Manila for most things ,it's hard to get taxis here in Manila they don't want to use their Meter because of traffic

Just got the SkyTrain to SM Asia , biggest mall in Asia, hot looking eye candy , could of easily picked up . Got a small mini bus back to hotel, 40 pesos,7 of us squashed in ,a young hot brown skin boy about 18 opposite me knees touching for the 20 minutes ride

Well guys I have had nearly a full day out today and enjoyed Manila . Went to Rizal Park Chinese gardens, Japanese gardens, got the busy SkyTrain. So many many brown skin hot sexy boys all dressed nicely walking around...it's a Eye Candy Paradise I have yet to see any poverty , no crime ,no one has touted me it try to sell me anything, don't be afraid of the rumours that it's dangerous here, the place is over run with security guards on every corner Hot looking eye candy...muscle boys , absolutely stunning looks

Well I'm out & about in Manila , still reeling over paying over 3000 pesos a night for a hotel ! Agoda have these prices then add taxes admin fees etc etc it becomes more but anyway as I told you guys know I have a anxiety disorder so I catasphrize things as my ex pyschologist use to say Having a mental disorder especially travelling in countries like this either makes you stronger or breaks you . Well I'm going to a gay sauna tonight called the bathouse . I have contacted Siam Roads for a tour guide but still havi heard back not that it matters anyway . One thing is I had a few touts approach me to buy watches etc but quickly leave if you say no. I know this sounds silly but I like to walk on the very edge of the foot pavement to " balance" for my morning exercise put my arms out and balance walking in the very edge of the footpath and I think I saw a few touts come to approach me and then must of thought I was crazy and walked the other way 😂

Well I'm still waiting for Siam Roads to reply as I booked a tour guide , so hopefully will go on a tour tommrrw

Well arrived Manila last night 830pn, taxi queue was a mile long all unorganised of course ,nothing like Bangkok. I booked a hotel on the app , all seem very expensive here in Manila compared to Bangkok. One thing I found out is never think it's the hotels advertised price. Agoda says a hotel is 2100 pesos a night ,then you click it on then they add taxes , admin fee etc it becomes 1000 pesos more by the time you go to the payment page !! So anyway ended up paying 3100 pesos for a 3 star in Malati , expensive Manila ! Actually I'm starting to appreciate Bangkok far far more after being here in Manila and seeing it's disorganisation So me and bf decided to walk away from airport, into a nearby street and to be greeted by touts " where you go ,where you go? Ended up paying 500 pesos to malate ! Had to, no taxis available and grab too busy Grab qouted 455 so not much difference but this place compared to Bangkok is expensive. Our hotel 1970's style which is in centre of malate would be around the 2000.baht mark in Bangkok ,here in malate with taxes,vat, admin fees, Agoda fees etc came to 3200 pesos a night ! Maybe during the week the qouted from apps such as Agoda go down. Now one thing I should of learnt by now is .....never book a hotel more than one night , I always see what it's like the first night ,but this time I didn't and booked 2 nights only to see the Agoda app drop the price to 2000 pesos tonight ! Anyway guys sorry for being so negative this post ,I will see how Manila goes in the next few days,it's not my cup of tea at the moment. In fact I probably prefer my old stomping ground of Thailand but that may change as I wander Manila I'm staying Manila bay area Now sorry to sound so negative about experiences just I'm used to Thailand. My Filipino bf has told me to angry last night to stop complaining and whinging & accept that this country is more aggressive style and I would say more expensive than Thailand but anyway it's a experience I guess , Anyway arrived hotel last night my bf was angry or fed up I was whinging/ complaining a lot so went to bed as soon as we arrived I will see today it's about 7am right now so I'm heading off into Manila city I just hate it when companies like Agoda add all these taxes etc,they don't do this in Thailand. But anyway today I will stop being so negative , this country is making me one of those whinging old men 😂😂 ...to be continued