Olddaddy

My impression after travelling the Philippines last few weeks is they love their fast food chains, everywhere I went in shopping malls etc they were busy lining up for Jollibees fast food & all those American chain restaurants. If that was Thailand it would be the street food they line up for, I found that a bit of a shock compared to Thailand where they love their street food, but maybe I was just in the wrong places/areas in the Philippines. I guess more in the poorer type areas of Manila you would find more street food but the Shopping malls were always crowded ,I couldn't get over how crowded they were along with their fast food restaurants. No wonder there's so many " large size" Filipino around,some looked like Hawaiian/islander look

I love massages that's one reason I go to Asia for the cheaper massage , someone on here mentioned they get a massage at the airport on the way out ,I didn't know about that . At my age 62 I need a massage everyday,in Thailand I pay roughly with tip about $15 AUD compared to my country ( Australia) around $80/90

Must admit having flown economy and business class these last few months I couldn't travel nowadays without going business class. Last night Bangkok to Sydney stop one stop Manila with Philippines airlines had a bed to myself in business class,$2800 ( Au) return ,not direct flight however and stopover in Manila 6 hours I flew economy a few weeks ago in a short flight Bangkok to Manila and it was the worst experience,cramped in like sardines no room to move, kids screaming & crying etc

I will now travel for less than a month too! I just done a big trip of nearly 3 months in the Philippines & Thailand Too long .

Filipino food such as Balut? I found Filipinos seem to love their American fast food more than anything,that's my impression anyway I was in the Philippines last night at the airport and saw some stunners, dark skin ,tight butt cheeks and strong build guys😘 I would like to check out farang expat places like Dumamagette & Palawan, I wasn't keen on Manila 😞 Philippines is cheaper than Thailand in many aspects ( not for hotels in Manila though😅 I guess if I had a real lover I could live in the Philippines anywhere ,but like Gaybutton says, just don't take into account the sex . I think close proximity to hospitals,safety ,gym , recreation facilities etc are high priority when deciding where to retire

What about those of you with pets? I actually met a farang 76yo up at soi bukhao nice old man said he had 6 dogs !!! Said he couldn't go on trips but he loved his dogs more than anything!

That's food for thought, you are entirely right, I haven't thought of it that way.

I just saw another post where the poster was saying he was retiring to Pattaya in September. Now this question has been thrown around the gay forums for years and of course many of the original farang expats are no longer with us. The "latest" gay farangs of course to retire will be more wealthier however is it just me but I have noticed my last few months there is far far less gay farangs retiring to pattaya,no idea about Bangkok but far less gay resident expats in my opinion So this is my update, I just spent several months in Thailand, particularly in Pattaya to see if I still had that "urge" to settle down there forever like I used to want to when I worked hard and all the overtime I could to save enough money for that "exciting retirement" Fast forward 25 years and sadly it seems going by my last few months in Pattaya I no longer have that urge or excitement to retire here in Pattayail,I'm not ruling out other parts just Pattaya now doesn't do it for me Its a combination of things, unfortunately I tend to reminisce over old times and what Pattaya used to be like, walking thru the old Sunee recently I had memories after looking at the old Top man go go ,the exciting & busy times there etc, Michael who used to own it,memories bar ,the old farang expats who used to talk chat laugh with The boys who were more Boyfriend material entertainment,rather than the business like boys nowadays. It's no longer like that,well to me anyway,yes I know times change 25 years on and now near retirement I cannot see any reason to retire there,the boys are drying up and more than ever " businesslike" with one even sending me a written quote for his services on grinder and times of service etc. The beer bars I can no longer relate to,I find a few farang owned great where you can communicate with other farangs but most seem Thai owned and uninteresting . Unfortunately I suffer with "it's not like it used to be" syndrome. I find most things in the supermarket etc just as expensive if not more expensive than my own country eg cheese& coffee. But what confirmed it was talking a gay farang in a beer bar who had been here 2 years who was "lonely".He was thinking of going back to the UK as he had his daughter there. He spent his days living in a jomtien condo near the complex and was ,in his words,"bored" He had no friends it seems or should I say "real friends" just seemed to be the other gay farangs attending daily the beer bars he would say hello to.On asking if he had a BF he said no you cannot find a real BF here and I believe he is right. Talking to him gave me that extra thought that it's too early yet and with risk to retire there without having any "support'. Support meaning someone who is a genuine friend, someone who notices you not around etc ,support when you get sick I imagined what my scenario could be 62yo ,then retire to pattaya,I'm still gym fit & relatively healthy. So I would rent a condo probably near jomtien complex and spend my days doing what? Maybe going to gym like I did, massages etc but the days start to get boring, missing family back home, etc Visiting bars? Hiring the services of male prostitutes who want to go as quick as possible,then what? That got bored for me. Watch tv ? I would be bored too and very lonely . Obviously age makes a difference too,if I was 75 instead of 62,it may be more inclination to retire to pattaya but once again where do you get that support if you need it in sickness etc What some guys cannot fathom is you will no longer be a guy on a 2 week holiday chasing arse or dick, you will be living there and you will grow tired of it . You will find the boys working will become disinterested in you as you no longer use their services as much as a 2 week millionaire and they stop contacting you on Grindr etc You will sit most nights in your condo watching tv bored shitless, you will go out during some days to beer bars just to talk to someone. You will be alone the majority of your time unless you hire the services of company who want to most times leave asap anyway I can't do it at this stage of my life ,I prefer to continue working and travel each year . One thing that could change that though is if I had a very genuine Thai boyfriend and I don't mean a paid boyfriend who works in a bar I mean a real lover , someone you can move there for and live with . But at this stage guys I would say be very hesitant to jump into something such as retirement to Pattaya and finding out your more lonely than ever! Suffering depression being away from family,living by yourself in a high rise condo would be no fun with no network support wouldn't be fun, and to be brutally honest with you I have heard there have been far more negative stories of farangs retiring to pattaya particularly gay farangs than positive,that's why you see so many going back after trialling it for a few months It wasn't what they imagined, I doubt any like me on here will admit that though,that they didn't like it here full time , I do,I couldn't cut it guys,living in that jomtien condo everyday ,not at this stage of my life, it got boring,I got lonely ,I felt like I had no support,I wanted love after a while, someone to care for and he cared by, the moneyboys,that's what they call themselves nowadays, weren't people I could relate to,times change I guess ,but maybe some day I can get my spark back when Pattaya comes back I guess but not this time, I'm going back home

Taiwan is closed ?? 😳😳 I knew China was but didn't know Taiwan was too. I think it's time for me to "explore" other places

You don't get lonely by yourself? Do you care for yourself?

Next year in all probability I will skip Thailand, too businesslike in terms of sex now ,and getting expensive Taiwan will probably top my list of visiting. Haven't tried African countries yet

Yes my birthday yesterday, unfortunately I celebrated it by myself with greetings from friends over WhatsApp. But such is life when your travelling

Great point though, probably a lot of free guys wanting to experience with an older guy plus the Gay4pay straight boys needing money

Well for some of you it's only yearly trips ,so If your departing the next morning or next day for your home country,do you do anything unusual or by routine? Do you go out and rage that last night,off several boys and orgy or stay up all night in bars if you have a early morning departure? Those of you who visit Pattaya do you make your last night in Bangkok to be closer to the airport? Anything routinely you do on your last day/ night?

Everyone I met in the pH spoke English, especially the young ones . If I had my time again there I would walk around see the shirtless boys ask them for a pic with me for 100 pesos and take it from there . Plenty of guys

Strangely I used to be a night owl too,always stayed up late even worked the night shifts! Nowadays even on vacation I'm in bed by midnight most nights. I keep myself fit ,overdo the gym,drink protein,( I mean the powdered form😂) take vitamins and still I feel sleepy at night I would imagine how I would be if I drank alcohol,abused my body with junk food etc

Thailand is not cheap for sex if you count the Go Go bar drink prices, the boy off fees and even the guys wanting 3k for short time in some places .

I used mostly the apps last month when I was in the Philippines. But all the boys speak English there .

Now 6 weeks into my 7 week vacation, the last few weeks I have really slowed down and I feel guilty. At 62yo I just it seems,don't have the stamina anymore to keep " fucking" ,to keep taking guys back to the room whether they are paid or free ,in fact last night I ordered pizza in my hotel room and watched a movie ,all alone ! I envy you guy on here who can take 3 guys everyday,who can rage all night at different go Go bars ,how do you do it? I'm gym fit, I eat well, I'm even taking extra vitamin and staying off the alcohol ,but I can't do it everyday anymore !!!! I'm really getting depressed about it, Can I ask honestly,do you guys on your vacation go out every night to bars,do you take guys everyday for sex? Did you drink alcohol everyday in the bars too? I don't know how you guys have the stamina ,at 62 my body won't let me ,I tried it the first week, went to gym in the morning , sightseeing during the day and walking, go Go bars,alcohol , discos ,then boys at night ,by the second week I was in bed a few days sick !!! In a way im a bit depressing I can't do what I used to 15 years ago where I sort of lived to the fullest my vacation time How do you guys have sex with multiple guys everyday on your vacation! Look to be honest with you guys,I would never do such a long vacation again,7 weeks is just far too long! I hate to say it but boredom does come into sometimes when on such a long vacation time. Oh I'm getting too old 👴👴👴👴🤣🤣🤣 .

You must be ..big..🤣🤣 He couldn't take it , Mai pen Rai We win some,we lose some

Yes exactly!!! Someone told me about this video chat on Grindr? But I cannot find it?Anyone know? otherwise use line or WhatsApp video and call them first to see,save you a lot of grief especially if a ladyboy or 60yo man turns up instead of the 22yo moneyboy

I guess it can happen anywhere, Its hard to "screen" them sometimes, I try to talk to the boy in a go go bar before offing them though, it costs a drink but it's best to do that . As for Grindr I will now use the video call to see them, caught a few out who were really 45 and not 25 Now I'm no spring chicken so have to be a bit wary of guys on Grindr offering free service, obviously if they're over 45 it's more trustworthy but guys 25 saying their free ?

This trip I have had only around 3 or 4 duds . Not bad with the amount I boys I have taken over the last 6 weeks . Now I guess technically I was " conned" on one boy,my stupid fault ! I was drunk and he was extremely good-looking, great talker & smile. Offed him from a massage 500b ,he had a big dick, everything I wanted from a top Once back in the room he couldn't get it up, but we tried to do other things unfortunately his phone kept ringing , mamasan at the massage place, now technically I paid him for the hour, his massage was not good and he tried to rush me ,about 30 minutes service out of 1 hour ,no sex as he was flaccid puffy cock with some silicone , So I still tipped him the agreed price of 1500.,waste of 2000 altogether though more my fault as I was drunk, and I guess he used that to his advantage. Second one a Grindr guy turns up at my hotel, unfortunately wasn't him in the pics, he finally agreed it wasn't him and his "bar" where he worked ,boy busy they send me he says . He was like 35 and feminine compared to the boy in the pics who was 25 manly with tatts ,gave him 100b as he was angry and closed the door ,he demanded 500,you pay me 500 ok he is shouting in hotel Now guys I was told that on the Grindr app you can actually video call free ?¿?? So I will try this if it's possible? Third guy i got from a Go Go bar seemed nice n sweet,polite Cut a long story short , caught him rummaging thru my clothes,pretended I didn't see him as they were only the dirty laundry.Another farang I spoke to later at a bar suggested he was only interested in me and was trying to find out more information 4th guy was 45yo was supposed to be free even put it in his profile no money boys ,got him from Grindr , I ended up giving him the pleasure,sucking his dick ,rimming him etc ,he cum and after shower asked me for money for taxi which I didn't mind maybe 100,but unfortunately I never saw a Grab at 1000 baht ! Now this is a very small percentage and you have to expect at least some negative percentage. I know CHRISTIAN would do a graph on this 🤣🤣🤣but I think it's like 4%

I guess say if you lived here (expat) in Pattaya say on a "mature aged pension" (sounds PC, rather than say old age pension😂) then it would be a bit difficult paying those sort of prices all the time .

Guess I should add the Philippines Lots & lots of Gay4pay guys mostly all Top (Manila) expect around the 1000-2000 peso mark .and less ,all gay apps ,many straight ,looking for extra money Other cities ,Gensen ,Davao ,Cebu ,many guys available many wanted from 500 peso to 1500 peso but mostly in the lower range If your a top in the Philippines you will probably get for free ,a lot of Filipino guys just asking taxi money but if your a bottom like me and want straight guys then they call themselves "for hire" The thing is unless your a social type guy it's mostly all gay apps,