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Caeron, I am going to private message you with a lead on a guide. He is well known at the sauna brothels and of course therefore interested in providing BF experience for pay as well, but likely open to a nonsexual daytime guide role and ushering you in to your initiatory sauna experiences. The key is he is local, bright, and language proficient.

Hahaha ... I certainly do not go to Brazil for the food. I was biased about my NoAmer city being far superior in food quality (assuming comparable costs), so decided to pay more attention on my recent European trip. Meals out also consistently superior to Rio. Spain in particular was more impressive than I expected, perhaps survival competitiveness among establishments. No particular setting in Brasil has impacted on my dining experience. The best quality over months of visits was in a Belo Horizonte mall. One reason for longer trips staying in apto with kitchen ... and I am a mediocre cook. But the analogy is good. Choosing between crowded NYC Pride Day and jostled around at Clube 117 on a busy night? I'll go with the visa and interminable flight, hands down. Even if I need a heart specialist visit to recover.

Yes, that makes sense, LOMG ... then not really applicable to visitors unless strolling up the ladeira behind 202.

I am curious about the utility of the app alerting about gunshots in real time. The app would indicate location occurrence, but invariably after-the-fact. How does this help assure self-protection? If a gunshot in one location is predictive of further gunshots relatively soon after in the same location then I can see its usefulness. Maybe that is the case. In contrast, if gunfire occurs in a more randomly geographically scattered pattern, the immediate notifications would have no more usefulness than periodic review of the patterns and hot spots (likely already established).

Botas Bar (Niza, 45) closed a few weeks ago. Hard to say if it will re-emerge as another stripper club incarnation. This area of Juarez is " hopping" and all the streets were dug up and redone last year, as they were as well in Zona Rosa. Perhaps the adjacent parking lot and environs is slated for development. I myself stayed in a new large condo bldg nearby.

For anyone interested in having your head spun around regarding Brasil, just find and read articles on the current mandatory race tribunals for federal employment affirmative action hiring.

I wish I had thought of that ... all that time and money wasted in Brasil.

I have been interested in a few in Rio and elsewhere who, approached with tact, are usually accessible and affordable. Your own background will not likely figure prominently in the exchange. I have to be a little fixated, based on their appearance and charisma. A few times, a programa within the performance venue could be negotiated on the spot. It may need to be framed carefully, for example, like a private bachelorette show, or you are 'screening' them for same. Or they may be sweaty and take you up on a cabin shower suggestion. IMO not many dancers started out as program guys. Rather, the reverse, as they become more comfortable with the sex industry overall.They get into a stripper brokerage firm or provider group, or more importantly, establish a connection with one or more drag queens who do the circuit. Some have done solo JO erotica. If you lined them up with GPs in general, without the gogo context, you might not necessarily find them distinguishable. Same goes for the private interaction. The "surcharge" is modest and pittance to me. Funny story, the first time I scored was a dancer who had picked up my vibe and generously hung out at the Gloria corner while I chatted with a friend and worked up the nerve to approach him. After me initially saying hi, he already had his phone number and 'ask' typed up on his smartphone. Coincidentally, two days ago I found his LatinJocks JO vid on xvideos. If you seriously want to make hay with gogos over a shorter period of time I suggest you have, at the ready, small envelopes with a R$50+ appreciation gorjeta and your contact info.

Doesn't matter ... only you can judge for yourself. There appears, roughly, to be an overall price range between 100 and 300 reais ... 200 reals would be a sack of two hundred coins.

OK, then, persistent, if pushy does not convey the dynamic, and not rude (I did not say any were rude). Nobody actually pushed me physically. There is more pushiness on the forum related to one's word choice. The venue pays for a guard due to aggressive persistence ... sorry, strike that ... due to persistent persistence.

You really can milk something to death so it loses its humour.

What frustrates me doing all the translation is that the guys SEEM to acknowledge they understand that it is easier for me to volley back and forth from Translate to 'Zap if they load more sentences into a single dialogue box, but they persist in breaking up perfectly viable paragraphs into: short sentence SEND, brief phrase SEND, word SEND, word SEND, etc etc. After a few trys I figure it is up to them to do the translating if they want to stay connected. I try not to fuck them up with slanglish and I do integrate a few lines into one msg pass, hoping they catch on. I have broken potential dates when reaching diminishing returns on the onerous Whatsapp aspect. All in good fun. I do, however, accept naughty photos one at a time.

You can take him to the Toy Museum in Switzerland's "river port" city Basel where his lost plushed animal may be found among thousands of TBs on display.

Note: contrary to google-sourced info, Über does function in Zürich and is about half the taxi fare to airport.

Did not notice any eastern Europeans other than Czech. A 3rd Czech Tom was cute but not sampled. The BRZ guys, to me, add caché and I know how to handle them. A few LatAmer and Spanish guys. A sprinkling of Asian and Black. If these guys' motive is money, it makes sense to add Parag cuz the action window there is 14:00-17:00 after which it is pretty much empty. The hot guys are doing consec programs and then may have eve dates to earn more. The club has wifi and they can keep their site and app communication active. I do not share specifically what I dole out to guys. I expected, though, to shell out far more than I did, Zürich itself being notoriously expensive.

I think Pav and Dom bunk together and that is a change from 4 guys sharing. I fired up czech on googtranslate and supplemented in english. Dom's # emerged on 'zap but Pav's did not. I think Dom's pics do not capture him that well. Anyway, sweet and accimmodating. If I were local I would pursue flip-fucking regularly with Dom. He is good for half dozen loads per day. They seem to work as a pair but he accepted the break from Pav to be wit me. If Dom had been busy, I'd have accepted Pav. I also wanted a Brasilian Luan from Joao Pessoa but he could not get in today from St Gallen unless I could "help" him.

Again today (a Tues afternoon!), Paragonya did not disappoint. I wanted to bttm this time, as some minor GI problems had cleared and I was clean as a whistle. So I got Dominik (this time alone) to prime me by, after foreplay etc, banging me ferociously until he blew his load. Then I waited to cum riding a Curitiba lad's (Gabriel, lives in central Europe) huge tool. He first made me take it hard and deep, a little painfully, in missionary. I was in paradise watching him face to face and side view in mirror. The reflections are positioned fairly well. So now I am torn between young blond Czech studs and darker Brasileiro hunks. I must say I have to give young Dom props for matching legendary Brasilian fucking stroke for stroke.

So far, I am very impressed, based on a Saturday (and regular Monday!?!) afternoon at the brothel venue Sauna Paragonya. Brasil and Czechoslovakia are in the house. A ménage with Pavol (aka MarkyMark) and Dominik a load of fun, though the suites a little cramped for the desired choreography. In retrospect, would have hosted them separately there, and dealt more nonverbally rather than rather chatty Pav translating for Dom throughout. But both EXTREMELY cute, beautiful blue eyes, and skin and bods not to mention bttms to shed tears over. Gave it a half hour to start, on arrival, for my specs and BRZ connections to crackle thru the house ether ... caught snippets of my details being disseminated among the guys. At least 5 Brasilians worth my time ... so far caught two. My time in northern Switzerland is, sadly, limited but I will likely return. Overall, I currently rate Paragonya 8.5 (up there with 117 and Thermas) compared to recent Adan visits a 3. BYOSandals.

I understand that within the past few months there has been a security guard at Thermas, and reviews seem to suggest that has toned down the escorts' pushiness. So perhaps it was worse previously? But even so, I found over the years that I could cope fairly well with the aggressive hustles for business, even if it meant borderline rudeness on my part, at the level of flat out ignoring repeated passes. In contrast to Brazil, I learned at Thermas to NEVER say "maybe later". In Barcelona that means a soft yes.

The OP did not get the guy he wanted and instead paid much more for a guy he did not want. This cascade effect was attributable to his initially following pricing advice that is often put forward on this board but may be getting antequated. So of course he is welcome on the forum and can choose what is useful and what is not. If others learn something from his admitted judgement errors, all the better. But other members deciding what is relevant and useful for the poster exceeds the arrogance of any one player in the original narrative.

I think that when you ask the price and subsequently attempt to drill it down, YOUR positioning is going to be seen as somewhere between confidence and arrogance. When you are the one opening the bargaining pass, you have to accept that perhaps he who speaks first loses. You already knew the product met all your criteria and the inventory was low. Similarly, the other party's response is going to be viewed by you as somewhere along that continuum. This is the case when what is value driven grinds against what is price driven. The garoto's apparently arrogant or dismissive response may simply be a positioning tool not particularly linked to ego. It is possibly mostly performative, and may have worked better in the past compared to the calm confidence some customers prefer. Or it may be just a shooting gallery where the ultimate outcome is one or more feet being shot. As some have said, the house trend is to uptick from the arbitrary 100 standard. Leaving sure cash on the table becomes more common in the interests of that long-range end. Let that apparent lack of logic go if it is not working. If you already know you want to pay 100 and many will accept it, why request the price as if you were in the dark? Why not use your own offer as the jumping off point? You can frame it as your understanding of what is possible or has been experienced. Then it is less personalized and you may get a slightly better read on his positioning motives. If he is emotionally reactive (real or "put on") to this more neutral approach, I think your assessment of his stance may be more accurate. Better that he inflate your open-ended front-end offer than you deflate his bottom-line fee. Or just listen to everyone else and rigidly stick to 100 and swallow what you get.

I paid four visits to Adan over a 3-week period, varying the days of the week in an attempt to fairly assess. Let me try to sum up my overall impression using Spain and Brazil venues, and UK Villa Gianni, ratings reference points, scaled 0-10. Dragon, 5 California, 5 --- Fox, 5 Masculino (Planetario) 11, 7 --- Olimpo, 6 --- C117, 8 P202, 7 NMM, 4 --- Fragata, 4 Lagoa, 8 --- Mezzaninu, 7 ---- VG, 6 --- Thermas, 8 Adan, 3 If there are a few among you who would wish a more detailed report of my experiences at Adan, feel free to private msg me. I will cobble something together and copy to you.

Not terribly uncommon among the garotos ... Carlos a regular at 117 has to adjust hs topping due to a damaged knee secondary to MCA ... bur he still sends me to paradise. Tomasian's 'acquarium' Doug got badly cut up thrown from a MC a year ago. A major scar on his shoulder. I hope the infamous Rio green-eyed EuroBrasileiro club/netgay lad Gustavo keeps safe. I have seen him mount his very high-end MC with very fancy garb at the Gloria corner.

Sanddunes, I truly enjoyed all your prolific very interesting observations and stories over your quarter in Brasil!

At the risk of reverting back to the OP original theme, here's a clue: What species of (edible) animal would be capable of, have the dexterity to, end up of its own accord on a bridge and attempt to cross it?