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Chili Pepper Hotel is not really a hotel (although you can apparently stay there). It is a giant, very clean and fancy sex club. If you have ever been to Steamworks in Chicago, it's similar, but probably even larger, and it has a large outdoor area with indoor/outdoor pool and hot tub. You can rent a room or a locker. Lots of booths with gloryholes, wet sauna, dry sauna, loud pop music playing. Dark nightclub atmosphere in most parts of the club. Lots of Brazilian guys wandering around looking for anonymous sex, mostly younger up to mid-30s or so. If you think you can land a guy like that based on your looks, you might have fun. If you would rather not take the chance on landing someone, and you just want to find someone you know is available for pay, the other kind of sauna is probably a better bet.

Yeah, I tried to enter it directly into WhatsApp, but I thought the app would save it internally. I had no idea it required cellular access just to save a phone number.

I went to Manhattan Rios on Friday. There were about 20 garotos working when I arrived around 6 pm (only about 10 customers). By 8 pm, probably 25-30, although of course it is difficult to get a precise count because you don't know who is in the cabins, out smoking, etc. Three guys were very built/handsome muscle types, most others were more natural/cute young guys. The place is still very obviously under construction, lots of guys running around doing small repairs, moving tables up and down the stairs, etc. The smoking area is tiny. I can hang out in the smoking area at 117 even though I don't like smoke, but the smoking area at Manhattan Rios is just that...a tiny outdoor space where you would only want to go if you needed a smoke. The downstairs bar has a limited menu. If you want a cocktail, you have to head upstairs. The bar there is interesting. There's an overhead mirrored structure that drops down over the top of the bar, which causes the customer and bartender to both hunch over to speak to each other--if you don't, you are looking at the bartender's belly button. I hired two guys there, and only had to pay for one cabin, since they allow you to keep it for an hour. The cabin was clean, but the shower barely worked. I believe the entrance fee was $56 reais, since I have seen people ask about that. The cabin was 35, and the condoms and lube were included in that price. The first guy I hired was a disappointment, so I ended the session early and paid him just to get rid of him. The next guy was a surprise. Not my normal type at all. He was 19, very smooth skin, African features with lighter/chocolate milk skin, and a great smile. A pretty guy, slightly feminine, very sweet. I do not remember his name, but he gave me the best blowjob I have ever gotten in a sauna. He's clearly gay, and really loves that part of the job, apparently. One thing of note: I could not get cell reception anywhere in the sauna. I tried upstairs, downstairs, back, front...no luck. YMMV. I had tried to get that boy's contact info in WhatsApp, but it did not save correctly.

I agree that I would not want to be in that situation, trying to explain to the police that the garoto was terrible at sucking cock, or insisted on a condom after saying he would suck without a condom...or whatever the issue of the "non-performance". That said, a guy trying to claim I owed extra would also piss me off, and I would simply stand my ground and pay only the pre-agreed fee, and not any extra that was demanded.

I'm in my early 50s, and I agree with sanddunes. I have had very hot hookups from Grindr and Scruff and PlanetRomeo, or from just meeting people on the street, beach, at bars, etc. I enjoy the saunas, but Rio offers much more than just the saunas.

I'll be there this week. I will definitely report back.

You can ask whatever you want! Although it might be considered rude. I wouldn't. I would either be interested based on their appearance, or not. If a guy looks worn out and haggard, but then proves he really is only 23, would that change your mind? I can't imagine a situation where the *actual* age would take preference over the apparent age/physical condition of the guy. *not being negative here. Honestly curious if youth is such a fetish for some people that they would fuck a guy based on his age rather than his attractiveness.

To be clear, I don't consider myself a lurker. Lol. I contribute when I feel the urge, or when I feel I have something to add.

LOL. The elevated platform that refuses to die. Again, it was not YOUR post that made me think it was/might be elevated...it was someone else who posted in response to your original comment. I will be at Bar Fama on Saturday (unless URSOUND turns out to be amazing), and I will definitely post here after I experience it. A friend who lives in Sao Paulo also told me that he loves Wild Thermas Club on Sunday afternoons (just sex club, not a garoto de p place, I think), so it looks like I have a busy few days in SP.

Actually, for those flying from the US, medical insurance is already included in the flight. This is required by Cuban law. You simply have to retain the boarding pass as proof of your medical insurance. There have been reports that hospitals don't recognize this, so it is recommended to also carry the document available on this page http://forums.debbiescaribbeanresortreviews.com/t/asistur-document-proof-of-medical-insurance-for-passengers-arriving-on-direct-flights-from-us-thanks-to-bob-michaels/23092

A quick Google search reveals: The program has just announced an adjustment to their mileage expiration policy, which is worth being aware of. As if April 15, 2018, Avianca LifeMiles is modifying their mileage expiration policy: Currently miles expire after 24 months of inactivity, and any sort of mileage activity (including earning or redeeming miles) extends the expiration date of your miles Under the new policy, miles will expire after 12 months of activity, and only earning miles will extend the expiration date of your miles (meaning that redeeming miles will no longer reset the expiration date of your miles Miles earned prior to April 15, 2018, will continue to have the old expiration policy, while miles earned as of that date will be subjected to the new rules.

Indeed. There are many options for very cheap food in the areas where I have stayed (Ipanema and Copacabana). Tons of loncherias with things like risoli de frango, pastel de queijo, empadas, etc. Or, alternately, cheap-ish places like Delirio Tropical, where you can get a decent, tasty meal for around $10: https://www.yelp.com/biz/delírio-tropical-rio-de-janeiro-10?utm_campaign=www_business_share_popup&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=(direct)

I will be in Rio for several days beginning on March 13th. I will still plan to head to 117 that first night, then Pointe 202 on Wednesday, but I will definitely check out this new place as well. It does make the planning a bit more difficult, but I'm glad it opened before my trip rather than after, because then I would have FOMO! At least I will get to check it out for myself.

Awesome! I'm glad to find proof that my recommendation actually helped someone! I'm staying in one of those apartments again next month. They offered me a repeat-customer discount.

Thanks for the very specific info, @Tomcal! I was actually thinking the same thing...they ought to put in an elevated platform for hustlers to stand and show off the goods for close inspection. Who wants to get on their knees in a dirty bar? lol

I was still confused, too. I went on a search and finally found the reply that originated this entire thing: @Gotti wrote " There is an important feature at Bar Fama that should be mentioned here: There is an area in the back where hustlers lean on and pull out their dicks for anyone interested in oral sex, with a fee of course. Is an area that you have to walk around looking for it, you don't see it if you are having a drink at the bar or watching a show, but is not a regular back room where anyone interested in sex hang out, is for hustlers and their clients." Someone saw this, turned it into "BJ Railing", and my faulty recall added the elevated part. So it seems there IS *something* there, but whether it is a railing or wall or just hallway or whatever...I don't know. But I hope to be able to report back after seeing it in person!

There is definitely some online presence on Scruff, and particularly on Grindr. Lots of free sex available, quite a bit of paid sex. Many of the very young, sexy, well-built guys advertise themselves for massage, but they often set their profile name to something like Ma$$ag3. It's not always so obvious. I messaged a couple of guys I figured were probably escorts, and they replied within one or two exchanges as "I am scort". I was there over New Year's Eve, and the town is always PACKED at that time, and this year there were many more escorts advertising than I had ever seen before. The selection varies according to the calendar. In the strip bars, you can inspect the merchandise up front, but the prices are much more expensive, something like $40/50 for 15 minutes (actually, maybe it's only 10 minutes!) in the back room, and many of the guys at Wet Dreams are primadonnas. Guys online are more accommodating and cheaper ($60 for an hour at NYE, on average, although I was quoted anywhere from $15 to $100). Tips are up to you. Bigger tips if you do something with one of the strippers, of course. The tour varies. Online, they are charging $119: http://pvsunsetpartycruise.com but I think I paid more like $60 or $80 when I bought the tickets in town (there are many people hawking event tickets on Olas Altas and elsewhere). The tour does often sell out in advance, but as I mentioned if they have enough interest, they hire a second boat. Both times I went, I actually found the other customers more interesting than the strippers, although the strippers can be fun.

I originally posted this at Daddy's Reviews in response to a question, but I almost never visit that site, and I prefer to contribute here, so here's my take on the Wet & Wild Boat Tour: I have done the tour twice, once with a friend and once alone. The owner/operator/host is a hyped up (understandably, since I saw him snorting something more than once) hustler who hires local strippers as the crew. It is an all-inclusive (except for the tips) deal. You depart in the late morning, head to Los Arcos, where they give you a chance to snorkel for about 15 minutes or so, using very basic, ill-fitting gear (don't think of this as an actual snorkeling tour or you will be disappointed), then continue on to a remote bay with a few restaurants, where you are served lunch (also included, except for beverages). The food is plain and filling, nothing fancy, and they switch between restaurants, depending on who offers them the best deal or who can accommodate the crowd they bring, so there's no way to know where you are actually going to be eating until you pull up. After lunch, you hop back on the boat and head to a (hopefully) deserted beach, where you can take off your clothes if you want. The strippers/crew all get naked at this point, and the "foreskin shots" begin. This is the highlight for many of the tourists. The strippers insert their fingers into their foreskins, stretch them out and up into a cup shape, and the host pours your choice of liquor into the foreskin, and a customer quickly sucks out the liquor, and sucks the head of the stripper in the process. They also have strippers get down on their hands and knees, and they pour liquor down the crack of the stripper's ass (butt crack luge), and you put your mouth on the stripper's butt (above the asshole, according to explicit directions) and catch the liquor. The crowd often has to be cajoled into participating. After spending some time there, the boat heads back to the pier near Los Muertos beach. The crew is hired from the stripper bar Antropology, and the host shows up there the night before and tries to make deals with the guys to crew the boat the next day, so you never know who you are going to get, and the crew ranges from cute to very rough-looking. The two times I have gone it was a mix of attractive, semi-attractive, and unattractive guys. They ply you with liquor from the beginning, and they especially turn up the liquor service on the way back to town, which is when they start to ask for tips--they tell people to hold their tips until the end of the day, when you are at your drunkest. I had some fun the first time I went, but when we got to the "deserted" beach, there was actually an elderly straight couple already there, which kind of put a damper on the festivities. Almost nobody got naked, although the old man very clearly stood up and took off all his clothes, signaling that they didn't mind at all if people got naked! On the second trip, another guy who was nervous and apparently attracted to me latched onto me and tried to stay by my side on the entire trip. Also, on my first trip, they had so many customers that they hired a second boat, and the cute Canadian couple that I wanted to spend some time with got put on the other boat. Your experience on this trip will vary depending on who signs up on that day. The crowd always includes Mexican tourists, as well as tourists from the US and Canada. It starts out a little timid, but everyone loosens up after a few rounds of alcohol, and by the time you get back, you are sure to have found some fast friends. The strippers begin working hard for their tips on the trip back, and I saw one letting a guy suck his dick for 30 seconds or so (and then speaking quickly and privately, I assume to arrange a later meeting), but that was the most I saw in terms of action. If you think the tour sounds fun, go for it. I don't think it's a bad way to spend a day, if you keep your expectations low. If you simply want to find an escort, it would be easier and cheaper to go to Antropology or Wet Dreams, where many guys are available. One suggestion: they are serious when they tell people to take motion sickness meds. I did so both times. And on both trips I saw other customers sick and puking. They hand the pills out just before you get on the boat (if they have them available), but I would buy them and take them 30 minutes to an hour ahead of time just to be sure.

Not the guy I am talking about, not even close. That guy is a regular Adonis compared to the guy I am talking about, who I have seen at least twice, in April 2016 and April 2017 (when he was MUCH bigger than the prior year). To give you an idea of what I mean, the guy's biceps looked not-at-all normal, totally freakish, more like this: One arm was almost twice as big as the other, and he had little chicken legs, so he truly only worked out his pecs, biceps, and shoulders. He is very tall.

I'm definitely going to Bar Fama. It wash't your post, Gotti, but the other post that I mis-remembered, where they called it a BJ Railing. Maybe wishful thinking on my part. Bar Fama and Bubu Lounge make me think I may not have planned enough days in Sao Paulo. I appreciate sleaze.

No, I was just reporting something said by a young guy, maybe 19 years old. I thought it was interesting that he opened with a quote of 70 and said he would take it raw. I didn't say I believed him. FWIW, I also don't disbelieve him. He actually pointed to the person at the front (the doorman) when he relayed that info, not the owner. I do think it's possible that there's an unwritten code shared by the guys to keep the prices up, and the people who work there might be invested in that as well. Nobody wants to be the bottom of the barrel place where only the trashiest/most desperate guys go. There were only 5 guys working there that night, and two of them were the massage guys. One was the craziest garoto in town, with insanely overgrown pecs and (lopsided) shoulders and biceps, completely bizarre looking. I believe he injects veterinary steroids (and lol, I believe this because another garoto told me, so yes...I do believe at least some of the things they tell me ). It seems the fortunes of Point 202 have changed and they are now hot again on Wednesdays.

It IS Bar Fama! And maybe I mis-remembered/misinterpreted information I read earlier. People called it a BJ railing...lol. The posts that I had seen made it look totally dead, but I wanted to go anyway. I am happy to see in another post that it's not always dead. I look forward to exploring Bar Fama and the rest of SP

I remember reading on this forum about a sleazy bar with a blowjob wall where garotos stood on an elevated platform, and got serviced. I can't find it now. Can anybody job my memory? What is the name of this place?

Since this has turned into a discussion of fees, I'll just mention that I was usually quoted between 100 and 120 at Club 117 last year (April), and sometimes guys wanted more if I wanted them to cum. At Pointe 202, I visited on a dead night, but there was still a cute guy there. He hesitated, and then quoted me 70 (in a whisper), telling me the garotos were told by the management that they were not supposed to ask for less than 120.

I would be interested to hear your suggestions, Mvan1. I am visiting SP for the first time in March (and Rio, 3rd time).