SolaceSoul

I guess they both wanted more nudity!

The only coffee table book I’m aware of is “Dominicanos”. And the photography of the men is beautiful and an absolute work of art. I doubt he did it for the money. https://www.amazon.com/Dominicanos-Ernest-Montgomery/dp/3867876630

I agree with you. I’ve been at the client game almost all my adult life, and I’ve witnessed and heard about some terrible client behavior. I’m not suggesting that every “hooker has a heart of gold” — just that there are a lot of clients and wannabe clients that simply are up to no good and are not to be trusted. Guard your good reputation with the locals, and guard your connections. Well, you have shitty non-client photo collectors who waste the time of the procurer and the worker — some even going as far as to pretend they’re in Santo Domingo and having Manny or Juan Bin Bin (or Freddy, and probably even other procurers) showing up with the working guy to fake addresses — wasting expensive fuel and time (which the procurer then has to then pay the guy out of his own pocket for showing up to the fake date). Then, you have potential clients who demand that Manny exclusively drive them all over the city and island for a week and introduce them to guys, insisting on multiple photos and videos before committing to payment, but then refuse to pay for a reasonable day’s or week’s work of exclusive time from a driver and procurer. Then, you have a relatively new poster here accusing Manny of being a “scammer” for simply doing what any good procurer does for those who don’t have the time to scour the island for various available guys. Wouldn’t you bake in a bit extra to give yourself some insurance from an unknown entity, given all the flakes, the snakes, the shady, shifty characters? I haven’t needed a procurer’s services in years, but given the behavior that i have witnessed or heard about from some traveling clients, I completely understand the business move of reasonably increased rates.

I doubt this will do much good. There are a few posters (here and at other similar travel boards) who post under different screen names / accounts (it’s obvious because of their writing style / almost exact word-for-word comments, etc). The offender will probably just create a new username and use a VPN blocker to hide his IP address. The best strategy is for posters to be circumspect and cautious about what they post here — and to be careful about what they share privately in private messages, as well as with whom they share.

It may be the same poster that gave you the problem. OR it could be yet another poster, or just a lurker, or someone not even on the message boards. My global travel experiences have taught me that — unfortunately — there are more than enough shitty travelers to go around, usually (but not always) Americans (the term “Ugly Americans” wasn’t just invented out of thin air). As I mentioned in another post, the DR has been invaded by these kinds of bad travelers in the past several years.

Do you understand the risk/reward calculation made by the victim here?

“A source with knowledge of the investigation told NoticiasSIN that the alleged killer was in Jeffrey McMahon’s car when they arrived at the complex before he fled in it.” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10779325/Minnesota-cigar-brand-exec-stabbed-death-Dominican-Republic.html

This story has “crew involvement with drug smuggling” written all over it.

I stopped sending for Ubers to guys I do not already know (not just Santo Domingo, but any city or country). Not because of any scam — but because too often, the guys would not abide by Uber’s policy of mandatory mask-wearing in the car. The driver would report the passenger to Uber as violating the mask policy, and the account holder (me) would get a ban — first one, 24 hours, the next one, 48 hours, the next one, 72 hours and possible lifetime expulsion from using the app. I like keeping my Uber account, so I limit who can use it (or ride with me).

It’s nice to pay. AND it pays to be nice.

I believe I was the one who said here that it happened to Manny. It also happened to Juan Bin Bin — which is why neither of these procurers send out photos to anyone — unless it’s directly to a highly trusted, regular client of theirs.

I already discussed giving intrusive or private information in Private Messaging with people whom you don’t already know or trust. BAD IDEA. I think this is what happened in the OP’s case. I have had unknown posters contact me through PM and ask me leading or invasive questions about particular workers. I don’t take the bait.

Sure, ask them if they want “referrals”, but also be very clear with them on how you intend to make those referrals. Don’t be vague. If you tell them, “I’m going to post information about you on an internet message board” and they fully comprehend that said board is publicly accessible, then it’s arguably fair game. But let’s be honest here. There have been quite a few posters and lurkers who have NOT done this. There are garotos who work at saunas who rely on relative anonymity, and this trust has been breached by some posters — whether well-intended or nefarious — who didn’t seem to care that these guys have families, local reputations or other jobs to protect. Of course, most readers here are not like that. But it only takes one bad apple. And for those who can only view things through the lens of self-interest, look at it this way: the less that working guys can trust clients not to “expose” their identities or other personal information, the fewer hot, rare-breed, hard-to-find guys that will work in the field. And that ultimately harms clients seeking the newest, best and brightest talent.

One-on-one, private referrals are fine. However, the overwhelming majority of providers that I have encountered are not interested in having identifying information about them posted on the internet. That means they do not want the information posted on message boards, and would consider that a breach of trust. The ones who advertise publicly on sites, do OnlyFans, or make commercial porn are the exceptions to this rule. And even some of those have boundaries — no personal information beyond what they disclose publicly, no face photos if they don’t publicize their face, etc. So, what’s wrong with simply respecting the boundaries of the providers? How about this? Practice The Golden Rule. Would clients like to be exposed, have their photos posted, or discussed in such fine detail that they could be identified, on the internet? If the thought of this gives you the creeps, imagine how it might make a provider (who wishes to maintain a level of discretion) feel.

These garotos’ poor, clumsy grandmas always seen to be getting into motorcycle accidents, don’t they! 🤣

I have built my relationships of trust with locals over years of regular visits and stays in several different countries. I don’t jeopardize those relationships just for the sake of sharing specific information with people I do not know and trust. I have gotten many requests here (in public and in private), and if I feel they are too invasive or they feel like a fishing expedition, I just ignore them. I really don’t care to be the Most Popular On Message Boards. I’d rather remain liked, trusted and well-respected by the locals.

Yep. I learned that lesson YEARS ago on another board and carried it over to this one. It’s why I keep my information shared about individuals to a minimum. Some posters and clients are really shady characters, others are just a little off their rockers.

Lagoa wasn’t checking for either IDs (unless you looked close to 18 or under) or for vaccination cards when I was last there in December and January. It didn’t check for them last July and August, either.

For the more reasonable readers here: Juan Bin Bin also sends working guys to your hotel room or apartment at any additional fee. It does not just act as a house where you meet the guy there and have sex on their premises. Here is a clip of a WhatsApp conversation from just last October. The working guy was 3000 DOP. The procurer Juan Bin Bin charged 1000 DOP to send him to the apartment. The total was 4000 DOP. Facts are a stubborn thing.

Yes, good advice. My policy on various Facebook groups is to block trolls who are there just to insight and to inflame. So, the Half-Baked troll poster is now going on “block” / ignore.

You are all over the place with your claims. Maybe you think if you keep throwing anything against the wall, something surely has got to stick. Now, you’re going on about drug addicts! One is far more likely to run into a junkie hustler bugarron randomly cruising El Conde where Paco’s is located and the various streets surrounding it — as well as the flaccidity problem that comes with it that you seem to focus on so much. At first, it seemed you had only a personal issue with Manny. But now, you malign any and all procurers, and say they provide an unnecessary service and that their fee always comes out of what is paid to the service provider. That’s not how it works at Narciso’s house. That’s not how it works at Juan Bin Bin. Some other procurers I and others that I am close to have used over the years would bake their fee into the amount you pay the sex worker — still resulting in a higher fee paid by the client. Others might collect all the money themselves upfront and then they pay the sex worker because they don’t trust them with all of the money. It definitely depends. There isn’t a “one size fits all”. So, I find your claims that “these are the rules and everybody down there knows this” to be a bit odd. But your experiences are yours, and I won’t question that you see the world / the island as you see it.

This is exactly why I avoid publicizing what I pay to ANY service provider in the sex industry. Because pricing can vary widely depending on who the customer is / the nature of their relationship / what they look like / what they are asking for. And too many clients and posters take it too personally or think all things in life need to be equal.

Probably because in recent years, the DR has been invaded by many more Americans because a flight there is as almost as cheap as flight to Miami, and it’s a quick weekend trip. Unfortunately, this has also attracted some of the scummiest, low-end travelers. It’s become quite embarrassing seeing the displays some of the worst Americans put on in Zona Colonial.

To be more specific about your original question, I think Manny might charge a one-time client more than he would charge a regular customer who provided steady income. Which for any business person, should be understandable. As I mentioned (maybe in another thread), all customers aren’t equal, and all haven’t gained the same level of reliability or trust. This is why both he, Juan Bin Bin and even the old school Freddy no longer send out photos unless it’s to a regular, well-trusted client. There have been reported cases of assholes calling him up claiming they were coming to Santo Domingo or in Santo Domingo already and asking for photos of the working guys — even going as far as to give a fake address in SD for the guy to show up — only for the “client” to be a Gringo in the USA, Canada or Europe who was a pic collector.

Maybe this is what the Easter Bunny now does post-holiday.