SolaceSoul

It's really not that hard to figure out who the person is. Who has been recently talking about his trip to Rio, and asking lots of questions about the saunas there? Who here is fresh off the plane from Rio? It may not be "the one" who has most recently made a recent negative impact here, but there are others who made the board aware of an upcoming Rio trip.I don't think it's a good idea to post photos of anyone on the Internet without his of her prior permission. If that person has already posted a photo somewhere on the Internet, like an ad advertising sex for sale services, then of course, he is fair game. However, a sauna worker deserve just as mush discretion and anonymity as we would expect. Anything that appears on the Internet is no longer private. This board may require a password and user name but it can easily be obtained. There is no other screening method for entry and for viewing posts and photos. Of course, we as indosvials may expect gentlemanly conduct from all board members, but with no screening or membership requirements, there is no way to guarantee this. Therefore, posting photos of sauna boys (or escorts who do not advertise their wares) without his advance permission just should not be done. This is a natural consequence of such action.

That's your perspective, but there are quite a few sauna clients who aren't into watching most of the shows, and have a great time doing other things while the show is on. Other things like talking, eating with, drinking with and hooking up with garotos in the outside lounge, steam room time, XXX video room time, or chilling by "The Stairway To Heaven". The shows, entertaining to some as they may be, aren't for everyone. I like the strip shows and the sometime sex shows, and "bingo for boys" is cool, but I'm not a fan of sitting through the drag shows. That's perfect time for me to close In on some garotos! I find I do this at most payboy saunas in Brazil. I think it's a good idea to use the advice at this site and other sites that works for you and keep the rest of it in your hip pocket. Your mileage may vary, so do what works for you.

Everyone has different tastes. For example, in spite of all the praise heaped upon Meio Mundo on this forum, my experiences there were underwhelming (and each of my traveling friends independently felt the same way). However, we all love 117. I can totally understand why someone would not like it very much, though. Each night is different. Assuming you went last night (Thursday), it very well could've been a slower night. If there were not a whole lot of clients there, I can totally understand why the muscle guys looked bored (although you'd think they would pounce on the few available clients -- according to the rules of supply and demand). By the way, this (slow or off nights) sometimes happens at saunas in all the cities, Rio, São Paulo, Salvador, etc. Locals and expats probably shrug it off a lot more than tourists (particularly non-regular tourists) BECUASE the latter have too much emotionally (and financially) invested in every day and night being an off-the-charts good time. If possible, if time permits, you should give each place a few shots on different days before making a final judgment. Even I went back to Meio Mundo 4 times before rendering my final judgment of "not for me!" Of course, if time is short, then just pick the best night for all. And remember, if the place just isn't right for you, there ain't nothing wrong with that. There's so much more to do in Rio, or Brazil for that matter -- and there's also non-working boy saunas for you to try. It's funny how meeting that one right guy at a sauna just one time can completely shape of change one's opinion of the place. I suspect that didn't happen to you last night (bad night), but the total opposite could happen tonight or tomorrow night.

I'm actually in my early 40s. 42 to be exact. Your escorting ad says you're 30, which is why I said I'm about a decade older than you. So that means by your own admission, you're actually in your LATE 30s, and still escorting, with several ads running continuously for well over 6 years now? Yes, we are all certain it is "by choice", as you say. As the old Southern saying says, "a hit dog will holler." And holler you most certainly did. As indicated by your several marked responses. Yeah, go ahead and keep thinking that I'm just some fugly sad old queen who looks so horrible and awful and only has to pay for it, but yet you're the one who chooses to do it. Whatever gets you through the night. Remember, you're the one who thinks that all these fine masculine muscular guys go to Bulldogs and Einsteins, not me. I'm glad for you that this added attention has drawn more eyeballs to your escorting. If you're doing so well at it, a few detractors and posters legitimately questioning your posts based on what you actually voluntarily said here shouldn't harm your already lucrative business. Please, just quit here while you're ahead. Well, not quite "ahead" exactly, but at least not "road kill."

And I hope to be hiring, traveling and looking and feeling my best (whatever that may be) for many years to come. So I'm not going to insult older men who do what I currently do and will continue to do in the future. I'm not going to critique adults for being attracted to and engaging with other consenting, willing adults with free agency, whether I find those particular types attractive or not. I don't think this particular escort from Atlanta Badboy81 can say the same. What is perplexing is, just who does this escort think his (current, potential) client base is comprised of? Younger, muscular, fit, well-built guys? Although it is possible to have some like this (I started hiring in my 20s early in my professional career just BECUASE it was easier and more convenient), most likely his clients are older men. So he has outward disdain for his clients, which really says a lot about what's going on in his own psyche. If he has such disrespect for his potential client base, perhaps he should find other work.

"Young" is relative, as is good-looking. I am not berating him for being an escort or rentboy. After all, isn't this mostly what this site is about, and why we many of us come to this and sites like it -- to learn about, discuss and find escorts and the like? However, what I was trying to point out (the point which I do not believe has gone over most readers' heads) is that this guy who talks a lot of shit about older guys who hire younger working guys, and older guys who travel to find them, turns out to be a long-time working guy himself! Irony, hypocrisy and projection all wrapped up in one big ball. I hire, locally and abroad. I travel, and when I travel, often I like to hire. Sometimes, I travel with friends, sometimes I travel with guys I have hired who I am friendly with. I have the resources to do this. And judging by his ads, I am also not THAT much older than this Badboy guy, maybe by a decade or so. And I hope to be hiring, traveling and looking and felling my best (whatever that

My investigative services are not for hire. Just call it a raw talent, or an "occupational hazard"! LOL I'm in Atlanta quite often for business and pleasure, as mentioned before, but I've never hired this one. I've seen the ads before, but something was just a little "off" to me. I usually go on my gut, which has saved me from potential harm and ruin. But rest assured, I can easily find an ex-client of his. His ad has been running for at least as long as I've been traveling to Atlanta this decade. I agree that it doesn't have to be be him necessarily. He could just be using his photo and description. There are plenty "catfish" online. However, the tone of the conversation here is quite eerily similar to the tone in these ads. So that would explain how he pays for these Brazilian / Dominican trips! :-) ... although he does seem to be on a strict budget. So maybe business isn't so great? Just in case the rentboy ad mysteriously goes bye-bye, here are screen shots of the ad for posterity purposes:

An interesting thing about this "Badboy81" character (who hails from Atlanta) is that he uses the very same photo that an escort / rentboy in the Atlanta area has been using on his Adam4Adam profile for years (and advertises to be around the same age). This could just be a coincidence. Or they could be one and the same?

I had lots of luck at the beaches and the beach bars, a great view from my hotel, and a wonderful time at the garoto sauna in Recife. It's definitely on my return list. I enjoyed Recife much more than Fortaleza, which was too slow for my tastes. And the garoto sauna there was more than a little slow when I went.

The beaches of Salvador, especially Praia de Porto do Barra and its neighboring Praia de Farol de Barra, are almost always filled with denizens involved in athletic activity (soccer/football, rowing, swimming, beach volleyball, etc). The beaches of Rio, particularly the more touristy Ipanema and Copa, seem to be more about seeing and being seen. I'd say the beach bodies in Salvador tend to be more lean, naturally athletic builds while the ones in Rio tend to be more muscled (men) and/or surgically enhanced (women). Salvador is much more laid back than Rio. And also, if I saw you with that coffee-skinned, green-eyed beauty of a guy, I would have to be a home wrecker. Just saying. I love Salvador, but I also love Rio. I also really love Recife. That's another great visit, with lots of handsome,e sights

Wow. You rlly DID spend time with Fernando the guide, didn't you? LOL. He's good and knowledgeable. And he knows a lot about the black history and politics of Brazil. BTW, I wouldn't exactly describe his tastes as "rough trade". I'd call it maybe "streetish / Bahian". The guys I've seen him with and date really do look like they would fit in either at the current Persona in Salvador or Meio Mundo in Rio.

One would have to be walking around Brazil with blinders on, or would have to be burying his head in the sands of its lovely beaches,NOT to notice color differences in Brazil -- and how color (and self-identified race) has to do with class there. And how can one go to Salvador de Bahia -- the place with the largest concentration of people of African descent outside of the African continent, and the place where the majority of the African slaves were dropped off during the slave trade, a place where over 90% of its inhabitants have African blood in them -- and NOT notice or discuss color? I'm mixed-race, Black, Irish, German and Latino, very fair-skinned (like Vanessa Williams, Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter, Vin Diesel fair-skinned) and I notice the interesting irony of the Brazilian brothers and sisters who are darker than me, have thicker hair, and clearly have more "African" features than me who call themselves "white". Due to its different history, color and race are different concepts in Brazil (and other South American / Latin American countries) than they are in North America / Europe -- ESPECIALLY in the USA, where the old "one drop rule" (one drop of black blood makes you black) still applies for the most part. In Braxil, it's almost as. If the one drop rule is in the reverse! Yeah, I got that "please, black people, stop upsetting the nice non-black people by talking about all this color!" message. And I say save it for your therapist. Many men and women, gay and straight, from all over, visit Salvador particularly BECUASE they are interested in the Afro-Brazilian men and women and its emphasis on Afro-Brazilian culture and history. To ignore it would be silly. No, scratch that -- it would be stupid. On one of my last trips to Salvador, I met this woman from Hungary in her 50s who travels to Salvador quite often. She told me she visited 10 years ago and instantly fell in love with the people, the music, the food, the history, the culture, so she travels to Salvador at least twice a year now. I wanted to add, "you mean you really fell in love with the dick!" but I was too polite. But I knew what was up!

In those two photos above, the kid does look young. NOT 12, but not quite of adult age. I would've guessed 16. But if he is of legal age, then all is OK. He is what is referred to in the porn market as "barely legal". Legal -- but barely! Not my type at all, but clearly the type of some key posters here. As the old saying goes, it takes all kinds to make the world go 'round (or something like that). Badboy, if you think HE looks really young (or "barely legal"), do a search of the photos in the archives. Brace yourself. There's plenty others where that came from. Maybe he's just a forever young Ralph Maccio-type who can play "The Karate Kid" into his 30s?

.., OR posters can just continue to write about their own Brazilian experiences however they choose to, in spite of how uncomfortable the topic may be for you, or even how disinterested you may be in hearing it. I really hope you weren't referring to me when it came to that history lesson of Brazil and the Bahia, or even race relations in Brazil. I certainly don't need it. Perhaps you meant that little lecture for someone else. Many posters post here ad nauseum about men and boys that I do not find in the least bit attractive or desirable. You don't hear me saying, "hey tone it down on all the twink talk!" In spite of my desire to avoid reading about it altogether, because it's a real boner-killer for me. So if I can put up with that, certainly your delicate palate can tolerate a little talk about color -- especially when it comes to a country with people with lots of it.

I can understand perfectly why he may not want to do that on his personal Facebook page. I have two Facebook pages. One in my real name that has family members, old classmates and business clients as friends. I have another under what I call my "club name" that I use for my dirt. I would post about my travels, my hookups and my sexcapades on the latter, not the former! Aunt Ruth and Uncle Fred don't need to read about those!

Did Fernando the tour guide tell you that Sauna Fox is mostly white garatos and clients? He told me that as well a few years ago, which kept me from initially visiting -- but my personal visits there have proven to me that it's not really all that much whiter than Planetario. The facility is just as nice if not nicer, although it is smaller, and the working boys there, IMHO, are just as fine and built as at Planetario, and almost as many darker / brown skinned guys. The neighborhood that Fox is in (Pituba) is a pretty upscale / upper-class neighborhood in Salvadaor, so that may be why more of the clients are "white" (lighter-skinned, really -- there really aren't many white people in Salvador or Brazil, at least not how we North Americans and Europeans define white). But like all the saunas in Salvador, you have to pick the right night and time for the best crowds. Regarding Sauna Persona, a few years ago, it was totally on-point, with several muscled, attractive, darker and browner garatos. On my last few visits, however, it hasn't had very many garatos, and the ones that were there were just average to me (similar in looks and build to the garatos at Rio's Meio Mundo). I've gotten into the habit of going to Persona right before a stop at Fox, since when staying in Barra or Vitoria or another "Zoma Sul" neighborhood in Salvador, a taxi ride to both is about a 30 minute ride, and they are not that far from each other if you take a cab. But they are both quite a ride from Planetario, or Olympus (another smaller sauna with some boys), or Sauna Rio (sauna with no working boys, all locals), or Sauna Paradise (another no garatos, all local sauna in Barra). In fact, one of the garatos at Persona told me that one certain nights the handsome, muscled guys on the northeast side of Salvador work at Fox. That is what inticed me to visit Fox for the first time. This was in 2013, and I've been to Fox at least 6 times since. In order of my preference in Salvador for garato saunas, I currently rank: Plametario > Fox > Persona > Olympus. These rankings may change depending if things change, as they have over the years.

I know both Neto and Ricardo very well. Not sure about who Fabio is. Planetario is a fun place on certain nights, as is Fox.

I agree. We don't need (current) sauna boys posting here.

Is Junior the same muscular older (maybe late 30s to mid 40s) guy I've been seeing at Pointe for several years, almost always at the front of the sauna when you walk in, but always dressed (usually in a tight muscle shirt)? I figured he was a manager or something. I never have spoken to him in all the times I've visited. I just got the I,press ion that he wasn't very friendly, but maybe I am wrong. Now, there is also a very attractive guy who works behind the counter at the front desk at Pointe who I met first in late 2014' and saw there again this May (2015). He is always very friendly to me" smiles big and calls me by my Brazilianized name, then says "American boy". I feel bad because I totally forget his name. He has silky, wavy black hair that almost goes to the nape of his neck. He's very handsome and very do-able -- even if he isn't really usually my physical type. Maybe someone here can remember his name?

So now the discussion radically shifts from gay bars, clubs and lounges to gyms? You're all over the place. Gyms everywhere have muscular men. That's why they are gyms. But that is completely off point. And I certainly wouldn't stop doing business or sell a business somewhere because of what the men look like in the bars or even the gyms, unless my business hinged upon that particularly market or demographic. However, I certainly might retire / semi-retire somewhere because of it!

The garatos I know suggest this to me all the time. The days where I invite women into my sex life are long gone for me, so I politely decline. So basically, if one doesn't bring it up to you, suggest it to them. I'm sure you'll find one to happily oblige and set it up for you.

Dude, thanks for the advice, but I own several properties in Atlanta, have a business there, and I'm there often enough to at least leave one car parked in a garage for use while I'm there. We all have different types and different perceptions. But I will say that if you think there are a lot of muscular, masculine black guys at Bulldogs, Einsteins or The Mixx, then sorry, but we just have vastly different perceptions of what that is. Yes, perceptions change as we get older, but also, we have more to compare to. Atlanta is still one of the best places in the USA for black gay social life, but sadly, the party crowd at the bars and clubs has changed. Much of that could be generational, maybe some of it cultural. Other than that (and the political landscape outside of metro Atlanta, which is ridiculously rednecky), it's not a bad place to live or to conduct business. But come on -- the black gay club scene in Atlanta has seriously deteriorated. I wish it were not so, but that's the general consensus.

I really think someone was pulling your leg. Figuratively and possibly literally.

Most of the black guys are at the predominantly black clubs in Atlanta. If you went to a club in Atlanta that only had several of them, then you didn't go to one of these. Most of the clubs, gay and straight, are fairly (voluntarily) segregated that way. I own several properties in Atlanta and go there for business quite often. The club and bar scene there for Afrcian-Americans is not what it used to be, unfortunately. There used to be tons of masculine, well-built black men all in the club and bar scene, and the predominantly black clubs were a place to hear amazing music and see hot masculine men. Now? Not so much. If you like twinks, chubbs and sissies, twerking to Nicki Minaj, then you'll be in heaven there now. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

I'm mixed-race black/white/Latino American guy in my late 30s, and I get this ALL THE TIME when I visit the saunas. I don't know how young you are compared to me, but we're probably both well below the median client age at the saunas with garatos. But it also happens to me at gay bars in places like Santo Domingo. I think it's just some people being presumptuous based on preconceived notions and stereotypes. Usually what puts a stop to it is for me to just loudly speak English (or French, or whatever language is the language of tourists). But I'm usually very good at getting people who irritate me to STFU. Call it an occupational hazard, But I consider that a small price to pay for the enjoyment and pleasure I get in Brazilian saunas. I'd gladly trade the bullshit and unnecessary drama at most American gay bars, bathhouses and sex clubs for the sexiness, calm and enjoyment of Brazilian saunas any day of the week. That's most likely "Robson". I consider him to be a pretty good Brazilian friend. Sometimes he bothers to undress, sometimes he doesn't. He gets paid either way. His friends are hot too.