SolaceSoul

It seems to me that it only becomes a problem whenever some poster makes a post that is derisive or dismissive about other clients’ looks, girth or age. It isn’t that people don’t want to discuss free sex or cruising — but the constant Mean Girl-ing at the board reminding grown men that they might not be as cute or as young as the self-proclaimed In Crowd gets to be a bit much.

Feel free to imagine whatever you wish about my physical appearance, if it makes you feel better about yourself. But I’m not so insecure about my looks or desirability that I would get bent out of shape if an older or fatter client more than me. “Trip reports” aren’t the only meaningful contributions that traveling posters make to this board. And as can be plainly seen, all “trip reports” aren’t created equal. Terms like “racial”, “minorities” and “chip on the shoulder” are about the whitest, gringoey-est things someone can say. Por cierto, mi abuelo negro era panameño. BTW, regarding posting any criticism, I think your posts, like anyone else’s, can be worthy of both praise and criticism. If you say something worth praising, you certainly get that — but when you say something that is foul and deserves criticism for even condemnation, that’s fair game as well. If you want nothing but sycophants worshipping your every word, then you can start your own blog where you can delete comments and prevent dissent.

So, it’s a lot like the USA, then?

Stop the world. I actually agree with the loquacious Riobard! Regarding “gringo”, it can vary by Latin American region, but this Urban Dictionary explanation is probably the most succinct: ”A gringo is just a North American or Anglo-Saxon. It is usually a white person, but it does not have to be. It isn’t a hateful derogatory, but it can be used derogatorily. It also represents peculiar behavior and attitudes that Latinos consider to be uniquely “American".”

“Honey, I thought that we were saving up for a new house! Would you mind staying within our agreed budget for garotos de programas?”

As the sauna scene is a cultural institution, I’d imagine quite a number of clients have hooked up with each other romantically or sexually over the years. Some may have even met the “man of their dreams” at a sauna — who was a client just like him! There are locals who go to the saunas regularly to relax, drink and socialize, and rarely hire garotos. Some of them probably do end up dating each other. At least you would not have to make excuses to your partner about where you are every day between 5 pm - 9 pm. That being said, I am still there mainly for the garotos.

Sure, that’s one perspective. But also, everyone in the population won’t do or cannot do sex work — for a multitude of reasons.

Perhaps if you would have taken a little time to read some of this board’s history instead of blathering on about your first trip, you would probably already know that no one could ever mistake me for a gringo, Asked and answered. You know what else is gauche? Publicly stating that it causes you some consternation that an older or overweight client — on a board where there probably are a number of readers who just may fit that description — was able to pay less than you for a sex date. Feel free to call me “bitter” all you’d like, hermano, but I’m not the one who spends even one precious minute concerned about what sex workers charge strangers, and if I am hotter or younger than them, or what that may suggest about my desirability. You may have only mentioned it once, out of all the things that you say, but it was a revealing comment. And 6’1” and what? Donald Trump claims that he is 6’3” and 238, and we all can plainly see that he looks like warmed-over shit. If I had a buckle for every guy on Grindr and the other apps that described himself as “VGL”, “hot”, “built”, etc. that really wasn’t, I’d already have that beach house in Buzios. But if you say you’re hot, great for you.

No one is suggesting that the Brazilian garotos should be paid New York escort prices. But this persistent argument over what is basically a $6 to $12 difference — mostly from tourists, visitors — seems petty AF. Rates for programa have increased slightly in the last decade but that increase hasn’t exactly kept up with the rate of inflation or America’s rising Dow Jones Index. Perspective, people, perspective.

The description is going to be the standard “good looking, fit, all-American” vagueness. The confidence of mediocre gringos is quite staggering.

If that were truly the case, then this portion of your statement was totally unnecessary: ”It’s also annoying to see the same garoto later with a local older/overweight/whatever client and thinking that they are charging that client less than me.“ Why would it bother you if an older or overweight client is charged less than you? It has already been discussed ad nauseum here that locals and long-time regulars get favored treatment. But being perturbed by favored treatment towards an older or fatter client seems to be coming from a personal place for you. Re: getting sex, you don’t have to prove to me or anyone that you can get it without paying. I couldn’t care less how you get it. My point is that, for a multitude of reasons, we sex tourists choose to pay for it. The WHY someone is paying versus why someone else might be is for each person to work out. What another client does, what a garoto does for or with that client, or what another client pays has little to do with me. Obsessing over that is pointless — unless one gets some odd self-esteem boost from knowing they get charged a few dollars less for a programa than some other guy.

1) Not that a fuck or a massage in a bordello is anything close to a major purchase like a car or a house, but I certainly wouldn’t be dumb enough to overpay double for a car — because I would’ve walked into the dealership having performed research and having the information necessary to know the market value of the vehicle. But if my friend bought a car for 1/2 of what I paid, I would congratulate him on his negotiation skills and due diligence, and maybe be mad at myself for not being as savvy. However, barring fraud or nonperformance, I certainly wouldn’t blame the seller if I agreed to the price. 2) Sometimes you get charged less than someone that you personally don’t find attractive. Sometimes you get charged more. As they say in South Brooklyn, them’s the breaks. 3) $12 was an example to put things into perspective. But the difference between 100 R (a number you keep touting as the standard) and 150 R is about $13 USD. “Being generous” seems like a very odd phrase to use when the difference is $12. It reads like you think you’re doing the service provider a favor, or are tipping beyond their requested fee. Actually, it sounds like a very gringo-ey thing to say. I don’t mean that as an insult, but it’s certainly not a compliment.

(1) Concerning yourself with what others you conduct business think of you personally sounds like a personal problem. It’s a business transaction. You pay what you can afford and what you feel it worth. The other party asks for what they believe they can get considering variable circumstances (all discussed in other posts above). You have no way of knowing if they think you’re a sucker or not. There are posters here who would lowball a garoto any opportunity they could get. Does that make the garoto a sucker and the client a user? (2) How you view the desirability of othe clients (whether by their age or their weight, as you mentioned here, or perhaps other external factors) is also another personal issue. A payboy sauna is not a mating ritual like a singles bar or a swipe-left Grindr or Tinder app. Garotos are there to make money, not a love connection. You may believe that you’re physically attractive or irresistible, but the fact remains is you are there because you have to pay for it, just like the fat old guys. This board just had a conversation about how insensitive it is that certAin posters consistently remarking that some clients may not be as beautiful as others. The flip side of that is that some posters consistently remark that they pay less because they are somehow better looking than the average client. It’s like some really weird psychological affirmation — when the irony is we are all proactively paying for it. 3) I have a hard time squaring paying what amounts to a measly extra $12 for sex as “being generous”. You’re not exactly donating to the Res Cross.

^^^ IMHO, Carlos from Stella’s was SO much better looking than that guy.

Yes, if you can understand Brazilian Portuguese slang and casual speak (I am still learning), you will hear it.

“tô” is a casual written word short for “estou”, which of course means “I am” (the present indicative version of “to be”, as opposed to the more permanent “sou”). tô = estoutá = estátamu = estamostão* = estão

Yes.

Years ago, CK met a Dominican on the island that he liked named Carlos (not sure if that’s his real name). I believe he may have actually met him at the defunct strip club cum hustler bar Stella’s, but not sure of the exact origin of their love affair. CK did what CK does best: he wooed him with visions of stardom as the next face of the brand, wash, rinse, repeat. The boy did do maybe one or two brief underwear ads for him, but then he did something that CK did not like — maybe he just sneezed the wrong way — and poor (literally and figuratively) Carlos was out on his fanny. He ended up back at Stella’s, demanding (but not necessary getting) high prices because he was a CK boy. That was probably 3 dozen CK boys ago. I don’t think I’ve seen CK in person since those days. But to answer your question, maybe he settled into a monogamous, loving relationship? And maybe I’m really LL Cool J.

In Google Translate, vc is translated correctly to you, and bj is suggested as beijo.

I have a set of real Cariocan brothers that I get with on the regular when in Rio. I never do them together, but they always want me to make sure that if I hire one, I hire the other during my trip. They are very competitive and practically joined at the hip. They aren’t garotos, but they are / we’re gogo boys.

Disgusting. Sexual abuse is never acceotable. It is infinitely more reprehensible with minors.

I don’t find twinks even remotely attractive, but I must give you props for that response!

Can you share a specific incident that occurred recently, either to you or to someone you know, and where? This post is too vague.

Sounds like “urine” a puddle of trouble! i am not even sure I know what translates to “golden shower” in Brazilian Portuguese. “Chuvelo dourado”? I doubt it. Did you say anything that sounded like “fazer xixi”, “urinar” or “mijar”?

Yet another reason why garotos prefer to deal with local clients.