SolaceSoul

It really depends on who he is. He very well could have created a problem at the saunas, or he simply could just be tired of going to saunas and will now only do programas offsite. This is why it pays to have friends and contacts on the ground. Do you know any locals who regularly go to the saunas that you can ask, or are you friendly with any of the other working sauna garotos or staffers? You could ask them point blank. I personally know of a few garotos who have been banned from the clubs due to bad behavior, and they still try to do programas with unsuspecting clients offsite. One in particular has engaged in violent criminal behavior. I also know several personally who just gave up on the sauna scene because they grow tired of it — many usually do after a few years.

Tourism wasn’t in significantly greater numbers without the visa requirement. This was addressed in the Reuters article I posted. ”Brazilian government studies also showed the impact on tourism numbers was minimal, though the arrival of the COVID-19 pandemic may have also limited a potential boost. The number of tourist arrivals from the U.S. - who represent a small fraction of tourists in Brazil - in 2022 was still below 2018 figures.”

I was referring to overnights. But even taking someone out of the club, do not expect to pay the price of 1 sauna programa.

The Brazil tourist visa I was given in 2010 was good for 10 years, but the stays within the country were still restricted to 90 consecutive days and 180 days in a 365-day period.

From the article: “A diplomatic source said the 2019 decision to lift visa requirements had weakened Brazil's ability to negotiate with those countries. Brazilian government studies also showed the impact on tourism numbers was minimal…” https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-resume-visa-requirements-us-japan-australia-canada-sources-2023-03-08/

Yes.

Just tell them you come to the saunas to see and meet other garotos. They know the environment is a smorgasbord. Very few will cop an attitude because they know how the game is played. It’s one reason why many GPs want to see special clients outside of the sauna environment. Heck, most of them won’t spend much time with you in the sauna unless you’re paying for the time, because there’s other potential clients there for them, too.

The iconic prolific poster @Tomcal said that his response to requests for money was always something frank like: “You don’t give me sex for free, and I don’t give out money for free.”

There’s a gay sauna in Zurich with pay boys called Paragonya. It’s been there for years. Try spending less time at lame attempts at being an annoying, snarky, eye-rolling snap queen and more time actually researching and traveling.

Although the text was rude, what he said is true. It’s a numbers game for these guys. The strategy is to send the same or similar message to dozens if not hundreds of gringos and tricks. If only one responds with money sent, that’s a success story. Now, imagine if 10% of them respond!

I suspect not. I will have to ask my client buddies — most who aren’t really into my type — about their experiences. But what they’ve shared with me, other than price differentials, the scripts (undoubtedly learned at some mythical Garoto Performative Academy of Business and Drama) are about the same with all the working guys.

Well, they certainly couldn’t be comparably worse at sentence structure and syntax. Like physical attractiveness and physical fitness, many Westerners believe themselves to be far more interesting than they really are.

To a Brazilian, any Mexican who can afford to travel to Rio on vacation is loaded.

Exactly. A common phrase I hear from garotos is: “that is not a lot of money for you, but for me, it is a lot.”

But how comparably physically attractive are they?

I’m going to have to agree with @KJ1993 on this one, though. The default assumption is that because you’re a gringo tourist, you have disposable income that puts you in the top 5% of Brazilians. Although it might help a bit to “dress down”, it doesn’t much matter that you’re not flashy with your accoutrements — you can travel globally (often), you can rent a hotel or an AirBnB, and you can pay for fun, non-essential things like 70R sauna entrance fees and drinks. In the mind of an average Brazilian who earns only $540 USD a month, while those in minimum wage jobs earn a ghastly $250 USD a month, you might as well be Warren Buffett.

Well, yeah, I ask all the time. Like you, over time, meaning well over a decade at this point, I’ve developed a preference for dates ending up outside the saunas — mainly because I don’t really like the suites and I don’t like clock-watching. And I just don’t find a whole lot of my preferred type who’d take your proposed deal at or around that rate. Even if you just throw in a nice meal, which we as clients consider an add-on not garotos, and then get to the meat of the matter (time spent at your apartment, plus sexy time), the bare minimum rate is going to definitely be more than a R $200 rate (right now, about what these kinds of guys are asking for 30-40 minutes inside the sauna). Some of them will accept a package rate that’s higher and includes all time spent, but some will want to start and stop the clock at all time spent — no matter if it’s just forks going in mouths, or dicks. Yeah, the type of garotos that you go after are never on my radar, either. I am fairly strict in my attraction, and almost never waver (because, thankfully, it’s not necessary in Brazil!). But your type of garotos approach me a lot, and some of my client buddies are into the same, so I know that the ones I’m into do like to place themselves in a (slightly) higher price tier than the “boy next door types” — most likely because it’s what the market will bear for them, not just an ego trip. I know only one (now former) sauna garoto who I deal with who would gladly take only R $200 for a night from me — but that always came with some complications. The rest are in a higher category — double, triple, and upwards. And to be honest, I’d feel some kind of way for only giving someone who is working for their living what amounts to $38 USD for a full night of their time.

Yes.

If you do that, and the management slows you to do so, you will pay from the moment you take the keys to the moment you return them. But normally, the management wants to record both parties going in and out each room (using locker key numbers), for safety and damages purposes.

Maybe it works that way with the average-looking guy of the street type, “boys next door” (which I already know from your past statements that’s your type, so no explanation required) or twinks, but I know VERY few of the machos / muscle boys (my type) who would agree to spend time wining and dining, then socializing at the apartment — or even worse, staying overnight!, followed by sexo — with a client for the same price of a 30-40 minute sauna programa. That’s almost unheard of. I am not going to say they’re not out there in that category, but it would be a very rare bird.

It depends on the day. It’s worse on Tuesdays, which is Free Cabin Day. Other days, there usually isn’t much of a wait.

There are actually less garotos at the saunas during Carnaval than there are during the lead up to it. An occasional tourist wouldn’t really notice this, though.

Double post.

If I were you, I’d consider still being firm but being kinder and gentler, so as not to come across as a rude and condescending guest in another country — which could get you in a world of trouble with the wrong person. This weekend, at Ipanema Beach, I witnessed a beach vendor (hocking his henna tattoos) pull a knife on, and curse and yell violently at, a white, slim, and clearly visibly gay male tourist who dismissively shrugged off his sales pitch for a temporary tattoo

Only 5 to 8% of murders in Brazil are ever solved, compared to 65% in the USA and 90% in the U.K.