SolaceSoul

Badboy has definitely posted identifiable nude photos of garotos in the past. He may have stopped that process so as not to offend or upset garotos — and IMHO, good for him for doing so, but he did post these kinds of photos early on. https://www.boytoy.com/forums/topic/23961-my-experience-in-rio/?do=findComment&comment=138094 https://www.boytoy.com/forums/topic/24623-rio-here-i-comeenjoy-the-pics-fellazill-have-new-ones-in-a-few-weeks/

I don’t know what you consider the threshold for “highly paid”, but are you aware of the number of garotos (their pay to me is mostly unknown) that have become angry when they discover that their photos are posted on this forum?

I could be wrong, but I am thinking riorockstar is an old poster who is now posting under a new screen name. It’s quite unusual for a totally new poster to just jump into a thread in full throttle attack mode like he did.

I never stated that ALL rentboys are highly paid. You might want to re-read my last comment more carefully. I was referring to the garotos (a term which refers to the garotos de programs in Brazil) that I personally deal with. But as has been said by myself and others, even the ones that aren’t as I described can make a comparably comfortable living for a few years in the legal sex trade in Brazil. We can agree that this is clearly not the case in a place like Cuba, where the ability to earn and acquire much at all from any kind of side hustle is much more severely restricted — and a side hustle of prostitution or pornography, if prosecuted is punishable by years in tough, unforgiving Cuban prisons. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your beef, but you somehow seem to believe, oddly to me, that there is some correlation between the amount of money paid to / earned by a sex worker and their ability to consent to photos used for the internet. In my observation, the stark class imbalances come not necessarily from what the garoto or sex worker can earn or buy from his sex work, but from the comparative differences of socioeconomic class between the sex worker in the area where the client is traveling and the actual tourist client. This is where class and race / color get tricky and sticky, because (and you will probably agree with me here) it’s clear to me that the darker the sex worker and the poorer the country, the more liberties some clients and posters here seem to be much more willing to take with them — like gratuitous photos, identifying information, and low-balling offers for their work. This conversation seems to be turning into an academic dialogue. I’m not prepared to defend my dissertation — especially since no one gave me a stipend for my extensive research.

Most of the garotos I deal with laugh at me because I am an American professional and *only* have an iPhone 7 Plus. The guys I see regularly have brand new iPhones or Samsungs, motorcycles, Nike gear, Invicta watches, Wireless Beats By Dre headphones, the latest LeBron James shoes, etc. Quite a few have their own cars that have been paid for with cash (or in at least two cases, bought for them). At least half have been on all-expense paid trips out of the country while the clock was still running, so they also got paid. But, sure, let’s keep up this stereotype of the poor, desperate garoto. They’re professionals and they’re on a job. They should be treated as such, not as charity cases or newfound lifetime loves.

I think you might mean “benevolence” and “non-malevolence”.

I now see your problem here. You really DO believe that any sexual transaction, whether mutually consensual and mutually beneficial or not, between adults of two starkly different socioeconclasses must, by default, be problematic — no matter the players or circumstances involved. That is something that, at least academically although probably not practically, is worth examining. I can agree that we all with mere first-world problems very well should “check our privilege” — and often. I am, as a man of color in America, constantly made aware of my lack of privilege here compared to others — yet reminded of privilege I receive during my frequent foreign travel, simply by virtue of my Americanism and relative economic security — so unlike many here, I experience both sides of the privilege coin. Thus, I am arguably more keenly sensitive to how sex workers (both professional and amateur) are treated by privileged travelers in foreign, more impoverished lands — especially the non-white ones. I was much more struck by the photos than the language used. I suppose our mileage does vary.

This should read “ARE permanent in nature”. i hate not being able to edit after 2 hours!

I understand that you’re not a US citizen or resident. However, the U.S. federal law 18 USC 2257 REQUIRES that anyone filming, photographing or producing anything that could be considered pornography (adult content) MUST have valid photo identification and date of birth of each subject proving they were at least 18 at the time of filming, written agreement of authorization from each subject, and said notice of where and who keeps these records must be prominently affixed or displayed on the photos or videos. This is true if the images were taken or displayed domestically or internationally, and whether or not they are for commercial use or not. Newsflash: ANYTHING posted on the internet meets the legal standard for interstate or international commerce, for the purposes of federal laws. In other words, by US federal law, you, any blogger, the owner/operator of this BoyToy website, or anyone who posts, by posting nude genitalia or sexually explicit images of sex workers, faceless or not, are considered pornographers — and MUST comply with the law. Punishment, especially in the Trump / Pence era with the new FOSTA / SESTA law, can be severe: “Violations of 18 U.S.C. §2257 are punishable by huge fines and up to five years for the first offense and ten years for each subsequent offense. Violations of 18 U.S.C. §2257A are punishable by fines and up to one year in prison for each offense. It is also illegal to aid or abet another party’s violation of any of the 2257 Regulations.” The proof of age verification / records requirement is usually the one that the Feds take most seriously. Play at your own risk, but ignorance of the law is no excuse (unless your name is Ivanka Trump).

You are being incredibly naive, to put it politely. Do you not understand what could happen to Cubans who are identified (or even misidentified) in their government’s definition of pornography (which is still strictly prohibited and strongly enforced in Cuba, both creation and possession)?

@Latbear4blk is officially the first person to review Thermas Club 13!

I posted my remarks in the other thread. I don’t feel I need to copy and paste. Refer to them here:

Curious that you created this account only a few hours ago just to post on this thread.

You are making a false equivalence. The behaviors are not the same because one is mutually transactional / beneficial and the other is not. In the case of adult sex workers at Brazil saunas, they make well over the average wage of other young Brazilian men. Unless I am unaware, posting photos of the garotos in publicly accessible forum isn’t normally part of that transaction. I know that at least one sauna I regularly visit prohibits the taking of photographs inside the sauna. The photographer may be getting “verbal consent” to take the subject’s photo, but he isn’t exactly asking the subject, “can I take your photo and post it on a public Internet forum about sex work, where it is possible that you could later be IDd and shamed by family, friends or your government?” And, again, even if he said that, the likelihood of a Cuban boy understanding the negative fallout of a photo on the internet is minuscule — considering that Cuban citizens just gained limited internet access in 2016. You are free to believe that all sex work, no matter the circumstances or nature of the transaction, is mere exploitation. However, if so, the question arises: why are you even at this board? Slumming?

Just to be clear, almost all Cubans (outside of their various individual side hustles, which most have) make 25 CUC ($25 US) a month. So, a roll in the hay for $25 CUC gives that Cuban one month’s worth of government stipend.

This is probably a question better addressed to the Mitch McConnell and Chris Christie lookalikes who clearly wouldn’t snag someone like that without a 100 reais bill Velcroed to their foreheads. But let’s be clear: even in your scenario, that fucking is part of the transaction, presumably is in the range of fair market value, and the implied agreement is that it should be a fleeting one at that. Photos posted on the internet — of either party — are not permanent in nature and are not part of the transaction.

Again, verbal consent from someone with very little personal agency or power — and either no knowledge or no awareness of what exactly is going to happen with these photos — is just like getting no consent at all.

I didn’t make an accusation of racism. I said “medieval slave auction”. Medieval refers to The Middle Ages, not the African Slave Trade from the 15th to the 19th Centuries. Although class does intertwine with race, especially in The America’s, I used that metaphor to describe the photos because of the harsh, stark power / class dynamic between the geosocioeconomically privileged photo taker and the impoverished, uneducated, unaware, unexposed photo subject without privilege.

You can always try just posting your stories without the unnecessarily posting photos of unsuspecting young men as if they are at some medieval slave auction.

Unfortunately for you, I’ve never really known the cruising / hustler scene of Salvador, even the Barra section by the Porto da Barra beach, to be anything at all like what you are describing that you hope it to be. Meaning, if you’re passively sitting outside your restaurant hotel overlooking the beach and the pedestrian walkway, expecting young men looking for trinkets to approach you, I think you are going to be waiting a lonnnnnnnnnnng time. And looking “gayer” will not exactly make it happen any more quickly for you. The Bahia just ain’t that kind of party. I am pretty sure that I discussed this in a previous post, and that you were a part of that conversation. I do wish you luck in your pursuits. Keep us posted.

Two things before you go further: (1) You were probably better served going to Fox instead of (Planetario) Clube 11 on Sunday, as Sunday is one of Fox’s better nights (unless things have changed). (2) “Hakuna matata” is a Swahili phrase that is very popular in Kenya and almost all of East Africa. It has no Polynesian origins. In fact, Disney is now facing a major backlash by East African nations for its trademark registration of the phrase in its animated film, “The Lion King”. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4957382

Except the other guy is so not hot. At all.

I’ve witnessed this third scenario before at two other message boards involving gay-for-pay escorts. I don’t trust anonymous posters as far as I could throw them (and some of them, being very portly and corpulent, couldn’t be thrown at all!).

If you understand the history of race and racism in America, which was uniquely cruel and its impact long-lasting, it should be no mystery why this is the case.

Even though I agree with @RockHardNYC that when it comes to the internet, nothing is really private, @TotallyOz has already stated that these photos in question were posted in the public forum. There are a few posters who enjoy posting photos of garotos they met during their escapades, along with the alleged acts and prices, and a few of them are easily recognizable by their photos (face blocked or not). I believe that at least one of the young men whose photos were posted about, along with details of the alleged sexual activity and prices, is livid about this exposure. Some posters here either don’t know or conveniently shrug off the cultural differences in places like Brazil. Sure, sauna work and even prostitution are legal there, but machismo Brazilian and Latin American culture still dictates that one keeps that kind of work quiet. Just as clients, other than the outest gayest, would cringe at the thought of being exposed on a website, so would 85% - 95% of the sauna workers. Also, many (most?) garotos, due to the same cultural norms, are going to state in public that they are ativo (tops), and would be mortified to learn that not only are they being photo ID’d by name, but they are also talked about as passivo (bottoms).