SolaceSoul

Big problem in Honduras as well. If you’re connected, there are plenty of men to fuck or who will get fucked — but too many danger and too much murder.

Oh, dear. It wasn’t meant as an attack on you, but it sure says a lot that you took it that way. Enjoy your marriage.

This is very common and should be nothing to be alarmed about. In most cases, the garotos are not as upset about clients seeing other garotos in the sauna as they would have you think. They know it’s part of the routine — and in most cases, are hoping that their passionate show of displeasure or jealousy will convince a client to believe they are into them far more than they really are, and they will eventually get back the business. It’s part of the sell. No one’s going to fight over you like some scene out of an old Popeye cartoon.

If you take the steps that you laid out, and only bring one guest back to your place at a time, you should be fine. I say “should” because nothing is foolproof. On your first trip, as a pasty white gringo, even with a little Spanish on your tongue, you’re probably much safer at one of the hotels that is accustomed to sex tourists in the Colonial Zone (the Romas, Discovery, etc.) than an apartment. These hotels also take copies of or keep the cedulas while the visitor is in the room. In most cases, as an added safety precaution, you can tell the front desk not to return the ID until you come down with the visitor for him to retrieve it.

This is probably a universally safe approach to taking tricks back to your hotel room / apartment.

Oh well, I tried. As my late grandmother always said, “advice is what people hear when they end up doing what they want to do, anyway”. Enjoy continuing your life of misery.

As usual, Rioblather, you’re overthinking the problem. Relax, relate, release!

Usual blathering pomposity aside, your reasoning here seems ridiculous to me. If a provider doesn’t bring you something you like, tell him so and be specific. In most cases, he will try harder to bring someone who meets your needs (unless your needs are unreasonable). And if he cannot find what you like, find another service provider. My first procurer in the DR was Freddy, more than a few years back. Nice enough guy for a first-time visitor on a short trip. His first few introductions were on point for me. However, after a while, for me, he ran out of steam. I soon determined that what he specializes in just ain’t my type. And that’s OK. He’d be great for plenty of others — he seems to be an endless source of young twinkle types. But after a few initial intros to great muscley guys, all he brought me were Twinkletoes, in spite of my direct requests. That was the end of our business dealings. No hard feelings.

Canadians are generally not known for the “qualities” assigned to an Ugly American. The worst a Canuck might do is polite you to death. Or in your case, write in puzzles and bore you to death. And the Québécois get a little salty if you speak English to them, not French, in Québéc. But Canucks when traveling rarely ever seem rude, arrogant, loud, obnoxious, or entitled.

It was far, far easier for me to get my CPF in the USA at my local Brazilian Consulate.

@Riobard, surely, you’ve heard the term “Ugly American” used in its most current context? It’s more than just an old Brando movie. Unfortunately, I hear the phrase whenever I travel because some Ugly American is Ugly Americaning. ”Ugly American" is a term used to refer to perceptions of loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless, ignorant, and ethnocentric behavior of Americancitizens mainly abroad, but also at home. Although the term is usually associated with or applied to travelers and tourists, it also applies to U.S. corporate businesses in the international arena.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_American_(pejorative)

Loud, obnoxious, broke and cheap is no way to travel. But it’s very American.

I can’t speak for others in groups. In my personal example, all of my travel buddies are my long term lifelong friends Stateside. I have known one for 30 years, another for 26, another for 20, another for 9. Two women who I also often travel with, I have known one for 32 years. I often travel solo, but when I do not, the people that I travel with are friend that I have known forever and trust. I don’t just pick up stragglers on the road or message board chatters and decide to do trips abroad. And I don’t do “new friends” very easily. So, I have plenty in common with my travel crew, other than just being African-American or Latin American. Diversity is the least of our concerns when we get together. Salvador — as well as most parts of the African Diaspora — have (or should have) a special connection to African-Americans and anyone of African descent. That is one major reason that you might see many African-Americans traveling there and other places together.

Hopefully, you’ve considered the obvious: that two very different individuals who are African-American may not think alike, may not look alike, may not have similar backgrounds, values habits or ethics, may not socialize the same way, may not like the same friends, may not like the same kind of sex or romantic partners, and may not even like each other. I would hope that I wouldn’t be judged and stereotyped based on one group of loud, obnoxious, ostentatious but broke black Americans that you see sitting at one 24 hour cafe. Who knows? If you happen to talk to them (or me) in person, you very well may enjoy them... and dislike me — or vice versa. Or maybe like or dislike both. And that should be okay. Everyone doesn’t have to be best buds Good Judy Girlfriends with everyone.

HA! I would hope they wouldn’t think that. There’s absolutely nothing special about what’s in their Rolodex. Anything hooking up with them is community property trade.

Congrats for you are in order. I recently looked into planning on doing this in Brazil, as it had a retirement / pension visa. The monthly income requirements or any kind of annuity or pension were (for me) very low — only $6000R a month! — and the minimum age requirement had been lowered from 60 to 50. And like the one in Mexico, it had perks that you can’t get from a tourist visa — ability to work legally, federal healthcare, permanent residency, come and go as you please and stay as long as you wish, banking options, etc. So, I was planning to do it in a year or so. However, I learned from the Brazilian Consulate that as of Jan. 1, 2018, the Brazilian legislature inexplicably suspended the pension visa.

If I understand @Riobard‘s purposely obtuse post, he is suggesting that the reason the group of loud, obnoxious, black Americans that often congregate at Pacos don’t relate to, interact with or trust him (and by extension, you) is because he’s/you’re white / not black. This is a false assumption, because (1) I’m not white, as are none of my travel partners and none of us would enjoy spending time and energy on them (whether abroad or Stateside), and (2) there are plenty of other black tourists or expats who I, you, and possibly even Riobard could enjoy mingling with. For me, it’s not that group (or any like it). And it isn’t “hate”. It’s self-preservation and safety. Hate implies that energy is consumed over them. There are travelers like this wherever I go. I refer to them as “Ugly Americans” and I always avoid them like The Bubonic Plague. They add nothing to my travels and I’m sure that my absence from their sewing circle of pecking hens subtracts nothing from theirs. Somehow, I still manage to meet nice people — including hot local men.

Who is the “their” here?

Also, men — straight, gay or bi — who feel they have much to lose by association would care a great deal. This applies to many Dominicanos that might be G4P but wouldn’t risk being seen with loud showy American sex tourists at Pacos. It also applies to travelers who have perfectly valid reasons not to risk becoming too familiar with loud showy untrustworthy American sex tourists. As one who has traveled there for years and made friends and acquaintances with a number of locals, expats and travelers, I trust my own judgment to know the difference.

Your mileage may vary depending on how you prefer to travel or roll, but IMHO, this is The. Worst. Advice. Ever. My rule of thumb is: if you wouldn’t associate with someone Stateside (or in your local area), then don’t bother with them elsewhere. And no, they DON’T “know ALL the boys”. Maybe they think they do or convinced you they do — but in general, they know the very same boys that the standard, run-of-the-mill, loud, obnoxious American queen (black or white) would meet. And then there’s all the downside of associating with them and being seen associating with them. I would suppose that, for some, there is safety in numbers, and for a first-time, shy, reserved, solo traveler who might never see them again, there may be some benefits — but for others, the risk far outweighs the reward. Hard pass.

These are usually inside of most major subway stations in Brazil, right outside the entrance booths.

Sauna Thermas is the rentboy sauna. It is on par with Club 117 in Rio and Thermas Lagoa in São Paulo, including the working boys. Sauna Casanova is the most popular non rentboy sauna wth the closest thing to some youthful club gym bodies you’ll find at a non rentboy sauna there.

This rarely gets discussed here at this forum but I’ll throw it out: In general, twinks cost less than the garotos that are competitive athletes, bodybuilders and/or fitness models. There aren’t even any of the ones in the latter categories that will do a sauna programs for less than R100, and probably not even at R100. Of course, there are always exceptions.

Exactly. This might be the most sensible (and easy to read) piece of advice you have ever posted here. In short, one day, somebody's gonna get their ass kicked, or worse yet, killed for doing this (public posting of face / identifiable photos of working boys, along with their sexcapades). Personally, @Latbear4blk, I don’t understand the payoff or thrill that you or others get from continually doing this — but if you won’t think about the respect of sexual privacy these guys need in their culture, at least consider the harm you might be placing yourself in when (not if) it gets back to an embarrassed or shamed young man who (rightly or not) feels he must defend his honor, manhood and reputation.

FYI: This is exactly the intent and purpose of a tourist visa in the USA. So, as I mentioned above, it’s a distinction without a difference.