SolaceSoul

There are several garotos currently on that site that I recognize or know from saunas, ads, etc.

I understood that part. That wasn’t hard to understand at all. I know how those platforms work and who they appeal to. What I was pointing out, however, is that the end receiver of the webcam can easily record the performance they are watching, using a screen recorder or one of countless video capturing apps. Then, the perpetrator can use it for their own private use, or worse yet, send it through private message or email to anyone they choose, or even worse, post it on message boards, blogs, or hubs like Pornhub or XVideos — all of which have occurred here and elsewhere, including in private groups. If the garotos you are using are fully aware of all of these possibilities and consent to this in advance, then have at it to your heart’s content. Those are (typically) not the ones I deal with — but they still deserve to be treated with the opportunity to provide fully informed consent. Two points here: (1) I have never stated it was “disturbing”. I just said it’s not for me. (2) I’m not into having simultaneous sex acts in groups or having sex in public scenes with others around, whether live or on webcam. Who the garoto has sex with behind closed doors or what the customer / client looks like has little to do with this. I don’t understand how you came to the conclusion that it did.

I will agree that the best approach is to simply say upfront, “eu pago x reais” (I pay x BrazilIan dollars), and don’t ASK the garoto “quanto custa?” (how much?). If you’re in the “going-rate” range, if you’re not some smelly hideous ogre, and if you’re not asking for some crazy deviant sexual shit, then 9 times out of 10, you’ll get a yes. For that other 1 out of 10 that counteroffers with a higher price that you just don’t want to pay, you can simply walk away — there will be no hard feelings if you didn’t take up too much of the garoto’s time. Sometimes the garoto will just walk away himself! Sometimes they return to you for your original asking price. If you do choose to pay the higher price, I would suggest ONLY doing this in those rare cases that this certain garoto is an absolute must-have, never-to-be-experienced-again type that is every dream for you. But newsflash: there’s one like that around every corner in Rio, so you should not be afraid to simply say “no thanks” or “maybe later”, and just walk away. And in follow-up meetings with a garoto you’ve been with in the past, it never hurts to repeat before the programa is booked, “x reais”, so that there’s no misunderstanding (or if it’s been quite a while since your last visit, and his prices might have gone up). But if you’re a first-timer and you’re only going to be in Brazil for a few days, and won’t experience it again (or for years to come), then I’m not going to tell you to let a 50 reais price differential cause you to miss out on your dream garoto that you may never see again. That’s your judgment call to make at the time. I know if I were ever in that position (which admittedly, would have been a long time ago!), I would choose the experience with the man of my sexual and physical dreams over a few dollars price differential — but that’s for each person to decide.

Hopefully, you’re being facetious here. The obvious difference is that in a packed sauna, I’m taking my action behind closed doors to a cabine or suite, or sometimes to a love motel or my AirBnB, outside the unwelcome eyes and ears of strangers. That is, unless you’re one of those who enjoys exhibitionism and mounds of PDA and does sex acts in the steam rooms and porn rooms. (And if that’s you, great — do you. No judgment. But it’s just not my thing.)

I’m a hard NO. Reasons: (1) I have a particular type that is markedly different from that of regular posters here; (2) I can already do this on my own, with garotos I know, and who trust me NOT to do anything with the webcam videos or streams (which cannot be guaranteed with others); (3) Many of my favorites aren’t interested in being caught on film doing things I would want to pay for privately; (4) I don’t do groups, and most definitely not with groups of people I don’t know. But good luck in your endeavor.

You must be new to this? For the most part, the sauna garoto scene is close knit and most of them know each other, are friendly with one another, or try to get along, if not as friends then at least as business associates. Helping each other out helps extend their own business, and makes their own time spent as a garoto easier. Letting each other know about clients is one really effective way to do that. My observation is that for most garotos, talking about other clients to garotos is less about pure gossip and more about business communication. But there are ones who do enjoy gossiping and shooting the shit, just for the sake of it (a small minority).

I agree with this, @Tomcal. I have been going to Brazil regularly for a decade (though definitely not as much as you!), and I am aware that I have built a certain reputation amongst the garotos — a good one. The garotos for the most part know what I am attracted to and what I like, as well as what I pay. But like you, Tomcal, I visit often enough to establish that reputation and rapport. The ones most likely to be quoted high prices are those clients who are least likely to be seen again (or at least not for quite some time) by the sauna garotos. Also, as @badboy says, the clients who are found to be less appealing in some way will get a bump in regular rates. And for those here who are extra-sensitive to this topic, this is NOT just about the client’s looks, build or perceived physical attractiveness (although that can sometimes contribute to it). It also includes other things that sauna garotos find to be more trouble to deal with, like anything from certain requested sex acts, to difficult personality, to even body odor or hygiene (all things that I have heard garotos complain about concerning other clients before). Basically, anything that is viewed as more difficult work or less tolerable work, in the garoto’s eyes, can get you a higher price tag from them. Nonetheless, if you’re spending too much time worried about what you’re paying versus what the next client is, then you’re doing having fun all wrong. Quibbling over an extra 50 reais is (as of today) quibbling over an $8.75 USD, an extra 100 reais today is $17.50. Sure, everyone should keep to a budget and not go into their living expenses, but if you’re kvetching over $8 USD, maybe it’s best for you not to travel abroad at all.

Travel insurance issued on or after April 1 of this year specifically excludes coverage involving COVID-19 or the virus that causes it. Insurance companies have gone to great lengths to carve this coverage out in their new policies. Medical claims, evacuations, delays or cancellations unrelated to COVID should still apply. Make sure you read your policy before it is issued.

It’s not the role for medical experts to come up with a “compromise” in order to reduce unemployment or boredom at home. Their job is to save as many lives as possible during a global pandemic. Right now, the USA has more recorded cases and deaths from COVID-19 than any other country, mostly due to the lagged (at best) or failed (at worst) response — not by our medical professionals, but by our federal government leader, and many state government leaders who take their cues from him. I didn’t think it was even possible, but the response to the pandemic by Bozonaro at this point lags behind that of Drumpf. He’s about where Drumpf was a month ago, and Dumb Donald’s current position is not quite evolved enough to flatten the curve and curb a pandemic. The respected Oxford University model predicts 478,000 deaths from COVID-19 in Brazil alone. Recent news reports indicate that Brazil is seriously under reporting both its coronavirus cases of infection AND its deaths (known and unknown) in impoverished areas (favelas). meanwhile, Bozo refers to it as “just a little flu” and encourages the country’s largely catholic population to attend crowded churches every Sunday. This thing in Brazil is NOT going to end anytime soon. Not without months of forced closings and social distancing. It’s probably going to be one of hardest hit nations, at this rate. It brings me no joy to say this, but it’s shaping up to be a blood bath down there. The last thing any of us should be concerned about is when a sauna will re-open.

Hey, @Tomcal — Did you mean to post this in the European forum instead of LATAM? Maybe another post there?

Another important mistranslation often used in saunas or just by garotos and semi-garotos is the Brazilian word “namorado”. In normal settings, it simply means “boyfriend”. However, when used by garotos (and often when used by those who don’t define themselves as garotos but behave as such anyway), it really means “sponsor”, “sugar daddy”, or the like, and the exchange is understood to mean “in order to keep me from working with others, I need to be kept.” Context, who the speaker is, and the one being spoken to are all very important in knowing the particular meaning of the usage of “namorado”.

Thanks for the source. And yes, you’re right. The Senate literally just voted for it. What a scoop! Now, it has to go to Bozo Nono for signature or veto. I, like you, think that he will sign it — only because just last week, he tried to prevent workers from getting paid during any shutdowns, and the intense public outcry shut his ass down.

The Oxford University model forecasts 478,000 deaths in Brazil due to COVID-19. It is unrealistic and foolhardy to expect the opening of any saunas in Brazil anytime soon. https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/brazil/oxford-researchers-project-478000-covid-19-deaths-in-brazil/

Has this bill been signed into law? I have been following this as much as possible for my self-employed friends in Brazil (by BrazilIan law definition, this would include sauna workers, garotos, gogo boys, personal trainers, massagistos, bartenders and the like who report at least some of their legal income to the BrazilIan government). The last information that i could find was that the bill was approved by the Chamber of Deputies (power house) and has yet to be approved by the Federal Senate (upper house). And then, I believe Bozo would have to either sign or veto it (similar to our “democracy” here in the USA). The proposed plan piggybacks on a previous law but caters it to the COVID-19 epidemic, and seems to provide $600 R monthly to “informal workers” (or self-employed): for a period of three months: “According to the proposal in question, self-employed workers may receive this benefit as long as they do not have any type of social security assistance, unemployment insurance or even participation in income transfer programs. The exception in the latter case is linked to Bolsa Família.“ https://cryptodictation.com/2020/03/27/house-approves-project-that-provides-r-600-per-month-for-informal-worker-during-quarantine/

^ *coroas, not coronas. ”Coroa” is a slang term that, depending on the context in which it is used, when used by itself often means “older sugar daddy”, similar but not quite as long-term or expensive as the term “patrocínador” (sponsor). Since “velho” simply means “older man”, “coroa” is a slang term, often used pejoratively but sometimes not, that can be used for either “daddy” / “mommy” or (more likely) “sugar daddy” / “sugar mama”. It can be used derisively at times, but if used positively, it’s usually used with those one is quite familiar with — like with a live-in uncle or jokingly with an older workout partner, but not usually with a stranger. Again, it’s all about context, and without really knowing both a good deal of modern, Brazilian Portuguese slang (spoken by millennials and younger) AND the context in which it is being said and used, it’s really unwise to broadly state that when a younger brasileiro states they are looking for “coroas”, that he isn’t looking for money (or gifts, or someone to pick up the tab), and isn’t presuming that he is much more likely to get those things from an older guy than someone closer to his own age. Of course, in some cases, “coroa” could just refer to a man who is older in age and appearance. It’s all contextual, and being able to discern and pick up on spoken and unspoken clues is important here.

In Brazil, even the 42-year-old, healthy, fit, active and handsome gringos pay for garotos.

Congratulations. You win The Ugly American Award this month.

The current administration occupying Thr White House doesn’t give two shits about petitions. They barely even care about public opinion.

Just now seeing this. Don’t align yourself with me. I don’t hold racist views by stereotyping darker persons as less attractive, desparate, or inherently more violent. And I don’t presume that someone is of some higher class, intelligence or beauty than others simply because they are Eastern European. And I certainly don’t find barely legal twinks that are built like 12 year old girls sexually attractive.

Dr. Drew exclaims here that people are overreacting about COVID-19, and should just listen to CDC and Dr. Fauci, instead of journalists (who, incidentally, interview Fauci and CDC officials). Well, Dr. Fauci has made it clear that Americans are not taking this pandemic and the risks seriously enough, and has sounded the alarm that it is going to get much worse in the USA before it gets better. CDC officials have stated that the discouragement or outright outlawing of gatherings of 50 persons or more recommendation given by the Trump administration is not going far enough to reduce or slow down the spread, and that a better recommendation (even a temporary mandatory requirement) would be no gatherings or events of more than 10 persons. About 375 people in Italy are dying of COVID-19 each week. In Spain, it’s almost reached 300 weekly. These countries each have about only 1/5th the population of the United States. How was that helpful to listen to?

After his own son goes on friendly (to them) Fox News to announce that his father tested positive for COVID-19? Yeah, let’s all believe that this authoritarian propagandist miraculously had a false positive first test and a negative second one immediately afterwards!

Go to Point 202 on Monday. It’s the second best day of the week for that sauna, the first being Wednesday. The cabins should also be free on Mondays as well.

Yes, I do believe it is noble to pay sex workers for the work that they do, especially at an actual sex work establishment. I would hope that there are others here who read this who agree. There are thousands who read this forum logged on, and probably thousand of others who aren’t logged on who read it as well. I post for the benefit of those who may read this and not understand that this is not okay — not for yours. You clearly are beyond self-reflection, when doubling down on poor behavior is your and attacking the messenger are your best defenses.

You certainly like to make a lot of assumptions in order to make yourself feel better. I, OTOH, am only going by what you literally posted here yourself, about you and your own actions. Unlike some here, I don’t have to post a play-by-play of my travel sexcapades (with easily identifiable information about the partners) in order to prove something or boost lagging self-esteem. I have more than enough posters that I actually respect here who contact me privately to either get or share information. Continue to enjoy your trips. Just pay sex workers for their work they do with you. Surely, if you can pay for a flight and accommodations, you can afford another $10.75 (x2) for a porn room romp.

I would completely expect someone like you to defend this behavior. No one “forced” a dick in his mouth. By his own admission, he’s 6’4 and 300 (and “in shape”), and the garotos were smaller. Pay sex workers in a sex worker establishment for their sex work with you. If you don’t want sex with them, just tell them no and walk away. If you want sex for free at a sauna in Rio with younger, attractive men, go to Rio G Spa and try your luck there. 50 reais would have amounted to only $10.75 USD today.