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I wonder if what you visited was the long-established Tom’s - a decent, clean place in the business district. I visited once and met a cute young guy who’d arrived at the end of his office-day. Tom’s attracted an interesting crowd at varying times; it was very much “takeaway”, not “eat on the premises” I know of some organised sex-parties. I was invited by a fit 21year old to a party in an old converted movie-house not too far from Alto Palermo: anyone could attend; there was sex in various areas on 2 floors. It was dimly-lit but arousing to see the action. I disliked however the bareback fucking. There were also monthly sex-parties in an apartment in the Congreso area; would-be attendees were screened by email with pics, as it was meant for the fit/good-looking under 35 crowd (I was ‘allowed’ to go not because I was fit but rather because a local heart-throb took me as his date) Me too: polo shirts and shorts on my first visit, in April sunshine with temperatures of mid-80sF (30C). And tho I speak Spanish fluently, every person immediately spoke to me in English and assumed I was American. I soon noticed that Argentines dress much more formally. One anecdote: one evening I happened to glance at a handsome young man I passed by outside a supermarket. I was wearing a suit as I had to buy wine (for a dinner-party I’d been invited to); to my surprise, he appeared next to me in the wine section of the store; I smiled and said hello, and he said how he knew I was a foreigner....we ended up having a good time together.

I’m enjoying your posts (and detailed reviews) @Latbear4blk I’d just like to take issue with what you wrote about younger men/older men as my experience runs counter to yours. I have vacationed in Buenos Aires 15-17x, each visit lasting a month or so. I am tall and lean, tanned with very short hair, and was often told that I looked ‘very European’ and not Argentine. After my first visit to the city when I dressed smart/casually, I tended to dress more formally (shirt and tie, jacket or suit) and I was hit on repeatedly by attractive younger men (18-30) both online and in the street. I can’t say what motivated the younger men. Undoubtedly it helped that I was seen as a foreigner with hard currency (or “dollarized” as I heard a few times). I was happy to be generous and as a single traveller I was happy to take them out and, of course, I picked up the bills. To my surprise, I was not asked for money. I dated many very nice young men who were invariably well-mannered and well-educated. My view FWIW is that Argentina remains a patriarchal society; the local economy remains difficult; and society can be quite cliquey. Generally older well-dressed men are seen as rich and powerful, and such a foreigner can be seen as very attractive to a young Argentine trying to make his way in the world.

I totally agree with you: both on the rate and the considerable eagerness of Darius F. I met him on Grindr and he was very keen to play bottom for an older top. I've no idea how he defines. I am sure that he isn't the first Hungarian young man who does everything in bed to please a man and who also has a girlfriend and baby (i'm thinking here of Erik in Budapest)

Regular dates/hook-ups in Buenos Aires with middle-class Argentine men, 21-30. Tho my experience of guys seeking paid encounters was similar; they seemed to have the Argentine affliction of flakiness about showing up as arranged and chronic lateness if they did turn up.

With respect, this mirrors my experience with several Argentines on many visits. It was an attractive young Argentine who first observed to me that Argentines love to talk about it and discuss meeting up, but then don't turn up. He explained that this was why he liked Brazilians: you met them, they said I like you so let's have sex, and you went to bed together.

How quaint ;-)

Interesting report @Latbear4blk I'm intrigued that you've never used a telo before. In Buenos Aires I used them several times; in Recoleta, near the Cemetery, there are several very nice telos. They were always very clean and had well-equipped bedrooms and bathrooms. Some rooms had several strategically placed mirrors. All rooms that I hired had a two-way cupboard: it was used when I ordered drinks etc on the phone, and they were delivered into the cupboard so no-one had to enter the room and disturb us. I found that the room-hiring system was very discreet; the receptionist was unfazed by my being with another man, and even when I entered with a younger man, I was not asked for any ID but only asked to confirm that the young man was 21. I've not been to your city Corrientes so forgive me this gratuitous advice but it seems to me that you would be foolish to hire an ordinary hotel room. The hotel will usually want to check the ID of any visitor. If the city is as conservative/religious as you say and men are as nervous of being 'outed' as you suggest, a telo would be much more preferable.

Exciting post @numazu1 but in your excitement, you forgot to post those photos of Jonas. Please share.

Perhaps @pylonguy71 I've misunderstood what was posted earlier but I don't think @Riobard asserted that Pav and Dom were working at Paragonya Sauna. I feel that @tassojunior simply stated that they work in Zurich often and return to Prague. I assume that they work as escorts privately and would arrange to meet you at your hotel or apartment.

You say he's an escort but where does he advertise and what working name does he use? FWIW I used Google Images to search on those pics above, but it was no help.

@sanddunes is quite correct. Interestingly, this happened several times in Spain in the last few years. Older men had met handsome younger men in Cuba. They provided the paperwork and guarantees required, brought them over/married and resettled them in Spain. As soon as the 3 year residency in Spain was completed, the younger man acquired all the legal rights of Spanish citizenship and immediately filed for divorce. In Barcelona alone, I know the younger men in 4 of these cases and each simply views it as 'the older man got what he wanted, and I pleased him for 3 years to get what I wanted'. @SolaceSoul is sensible. FWIW you can (like me) have a very strong pre-nup indeed to which the Courts will have regard if you observe 3 things: - you pay for independent legal advice for the younger man - you make full disclosure of assets and net worth - you get the pre-nup signed well in advance of marriage and not at the last minute In addition, my own high-powered lawyer advised me to offer a very modest allowance for 12 months if the relationship broke down after 3 years

@Tomcal I know you to be a smart man but sometimes anyone can get over-excited. If you're unsure of the motives of your Brazilian BF, tell him you will need a strong pre-nup. Also ensure you tell him there's no payment at all if the marriage breaks down in the first 3 years. If that's agreed, and you both still want to get married, make sure you consult both US and Mexican lawyers to draw up an unbreakable pre-nuptial agreement

Terrific report @numazu1 And I'm glad to se that Caracol Chocolates take following up on Customer Satisfaction so seriously

I haven't done Madrid Pride for some years but normally it attracts a huge and friendly crowd. I can't tell you about "good gay bars" but most bars in Chueca (a central area) are heavily populated during Pride by gay men and lesbians. AFAIK there is only Sauna Adan for working guys.

I can report that I have a friend who's stayed there on vacation several times. He has never needed to hire as he attracts younger men (21-28) who are keen to be his companion. FWIW he is 70 but lean and fit, moderate height. He met local guys working in hotels, on the beach, while shopping etc. They wanted to improve their English and to better their life-chances. He told me he took them to dinner and on trips around Sri Lanka, but he never paid cash. The companionship was always discreet.

@sanddunes is correct about sponsorship. FWIW about 12 years ago I did sponsor one of the guys in the Mr Brazil contest. He finished in the top 3. As you might expect, he was very handsome with a beautiful physique; he defined as gay but was not open outside of his family. As I recall, my cash support of him cost me US$2000 but that total included several visits in Brazil. Where my sponsorship proved a wise investment - apart from his company in and out of bed - was that he gave my contact details to several of his friends who were visiting Europe. All were great looking and in their early 20s. Most of his friends defined as straight (not that I asked) but all of them proved excellent companions and made me very happy when they stayed with me.

Thanks for posting @trencherman It was a very interesting article

Please keep writing @numazu1 I enjoy your reports.

Very much the same type of penalties if you overstay on a tourist visa when visiting some countries in Africa. You may well have to write an apology and pay a small fine. I once fell ill and was hospitalized for 2 weeks in Africa, and as a result overstayed my visa. Travel agents and tour guides assured me it would not be a problem but when I got to the airport it was. Only after a heated discussion with the Immigration official - I had a medical letter with me and I explained I had been in a coma for 11 days - did he agree NOT to mark my passport!

My two cents. I don’t know if - you live or have lived in a very big city or - whether you have travelled in Latin America before. Unless you have the ‘big city/LatAm’ smarts, I strongly suggest you find an hotel or an apartment with 24 hour security on the building. I also suggest you have sex on the premises when you visit a sauna. And if you meet someone at the beach etc, take them to a love-motel. But if you insist on a guy staying overnight, there’s no need to be shy. Reception at the hotel and Security at an apartment building will have seen it all before. Just ensure that you book for 2 people to stay overnight. Also, any guy you bring back with you will have photo ID that they will check - it’s for your protection. (And not just against possible theft or violence, I was propositioned on one trip by a handsome young muscled and tall preppy guy who assured me he was almost 19. Reception discreetly warned me he was under-age, only 16 when they checked his ID!)

Various threads here record how working guys invent these stories to get money from you. I feel that @Tomcal has the best answer: I paraphrase but it’s more or less that “you don’t provide sex for free, I don’t provide money for free”. I used to travel frequently for long periods in Argentina, and I had similar requests from non-working guys I’d met there. I used to respond that I didn’t have money to send them but that I’d be happy to see them on my next visit and take them to dinner. Everyone was happy to meet me for further dates and they never referred to my refusal to send cash to them. As a foreign tourist in Latin America, you are seen as rich by many people there. I think they take the view that you have money to spare so they might as well ask you for some. Refusal does not offend; you are simply seen as not a fool.

Pleas do keep writing in detail ;-)

I've been to Greece - to both places you mention - but not for 5 years. My view FWIW: I do NOT recommend a visit. On my last visit, I travelled with a good friend/fuckbuddy who is fluent in modern Greek and has lived in Athens. I enjoyed the holiday with him but not the numerous disputes/arguments he had to wage with taxi-drivers (wrong routes, meter allegedly not working etc) and restauranteurs (inflated bills, drinks not ordered etc) . I found it strange as he is equable but, like me, he dislikes being ripped-off and the Greeks were arguing with someone who could obviously answer them fluently. I'm a 'foodie' and I recall that the best dinner we ate was in a lesbian-cafe in Athens; it was also the cheapest meal. Santorini is spectacular but you really don't want to be there when hundreds of passengers are disgorged from visiting ships.

I know that region of Spain and Ronda well. It's a VERY small town. I confess that I am bemused by your posting about the hunky young man. I wonder why you felt you had to be subtle if you found him on Grindr. Given the very high rate of youth unemployment in the region (estimated at over 40%), he may well not have a car and might have very little money. Maybe you should have offered to drive over to collect him and to take him out for a good evening, before returning him home later.

No @Latbear4blk I don't mean to be a cock-tease. I was simply describing the range and quality of 'below the radar' guys in Buenos Aires who simply wished to augment their incomes. As it happened, such guys preferred the company of an older foreigner visiting BA. I found that in general they valued discretion and, if seen out with a man. thought it better to be with a visitor than have to explain an older local man to their friends. On my various visits, I did explore several commercial offerings but I never found any of the type (preppy muscleboys) I like. I did find many attractive guys off-the-scene through recommendations and ordinary dating sites, eg I met the polo-player through Manhunt, the "lab rat" (as the red-haired guy was nicknamed) through Facebook, and the green-eyed soldier through a contact on foro-escorts. I can only suggest you read all the reviews/recommendations in that forum and see who appeals to you. I always sent polite messages congratulating the poster on his experience and enquiring if he was able to share the contact info for the guy.