Finnseventy

I think it's a chicken and egg situation 🥚

Last night in Dodo bar... 20230821_235834.mp4

Interesting topic, so how much of an income would you say you need to retire in Thailand now, excluding accommodation?

I arrived a little early at Dodo Bar and the boys were warming up for the night ahead... 20230820_201035.mp4 20230820_205216.mp4

View Talay 2 is located opposite the entrance to the Jomtien Complex (Supertown). There are a number of agents located on the ground floors of the two buildings - A and B. One of the agents in 2B manages the following rental website, which has a wide range of available properties in View Talay 2 and also some of the other nearby condominiums. https://www.propertytoday.net/ From my experience of View Talay 2B, it is an excellent, gay-friendly, well managed condominium with a very large outdoor pool. It is a popular choice with many customers of the Jomtien Complex.

Or just another closet gay pushing out homophobic vibes to protect his hetero image while checking out the boys in the gay area.

Great innovation by the new owner...they're going to need a bigger bar!

Excited by Aussie's post about the two poles erected in BN Bar, I have been sitting opposite like a dog waiting for a bone, but so far no bone. Hopefully, the boys will spring into action sooner or later, until then the poles will continue to act as ceiling supports. The Complex continues to be awash with rumours of "The Return to Sunnee Plaza" with several bar owners being name-checked as potential movers. All will become clear by the time high season returns, I am assured. The Complex itself is awash with boys, as noted by previous posters, and that's no bad thing. What is perhaps noteworthy is that the influx of boys is concentrated among the bars with young Thai owners, such as BN, 69 and Sunnee/Dodo Bars. The hobby bars owned by retirees are clearly lagging behind as they continue to try to pass off middle-aged bar staff as "boys". As a regular low season visitor, this year does not appear to be exceptionally quiet, despite some reports to the contrary, but perhaps the customers are more spread out among the many available bars. Word of the day: The standard collective nouns for a group of boys are: a blush of boys a leer of boys a passel of boys and a rascal of boys.

Recently, I met a bar boy in the Jomtien Complex whom I liked and planned a live-in arrangement with. I asked him to get screened for STDs, to which he agreed. He was tested in the new STD clinic just outside the JC on Thappraya Road and tested positive for both HIV and Syphilis. He has since been treated for the Syphilis and has started treatment for the HIV at a local government hospital. I think it would be prudent to assume that any or most of the boys here have a STD of some kind.

Ok Marc, I guess I won't be going to Pattaya for a massage any time soon, I'll stick to Jomtien! I don't know what you mean by a "full extra service", I was referring to a massage with a happy ending. A few thoughts or anecdotes... On my last visit to Soda massage in January, as I was waiting with my masseur for change from the cashier after the massage, I asked him about the whiteboard on the wall near the till. It showed each boys name, in Thai, with a tick for each massage that day, so that the cashier could give them their share of the 300 baht massage fee at the end of the day. It was late in the day and, with a smile, he pointed out his name, explaining that the second tick was for me, his second customer. I took the smile to mean he was happy to have had a second customer (Sorry 12is12, I believe the smiles). The whiteboard had more than a dozen names, One was marked as "off", most had two ticks and a couple had three. I mention this because it may be one explanation for the high tips sought by the masseurs in Pattaya. Perhaps they don't have many customers, and they are determined to milk as big a tip as possible from the occasional one who succumbs? Last summer I spent a long holiday in Jomtien. I decided that a daily, post-exercise, massage in my apartment would be a nice addition to my routine. I spoke to some of the masseurs I had come to know, asking if they knew someone who would be willing to provide the service for 500 baht. To my surprise, the three I asked from Soda massage all offered their services directly. These were traditional massages, with the masseur naked, sometimes with a happy ending. Clearly, if they were not happy with the tip they would have turned down the request. Two of these were slim twink types and the other an older guy who had been in the business for ten years. One day I asked the older masseur what was the reality concerning tips. He felt comfortable enough to give me a very honest answer. He said that a normal tip was 300 baht and he was very happy if he got 500 baht, as that was a good tip. He also said that on a number of occasions, a customer had refused to pay him any tip, complaining that the massage was no good. He made it clear that he knew that this was just a ruse to avoid paying the tip. This had happened on a number of occasions with older retired farang, he said. I guess those customers really were cheap charlies!

I agree Tartegogo, and Nick was also a favourite of mine on my last trip. However, he is the opposite to what Young11 is looking for as he is a slim twink who gives a sensual, as opposed to a strong Thai, massage. What surprised me when reading this thread is the relatively high tips being sought and, in some cases, received by the massage boys in Pattaya. I normally tip 700 baht in the Jomtien Complex, increasing to 1,000 baht when the service exceeds expectations. As far as I could tell, the boys seemed very happy with this level of tipping. Am I missing something? Maybe I am a Cheap Charlie without realising it 🤔

Ah now lads, less of that lads, Every gay does not have to play the queen, Take it easy, calm down lads, Some things best left unsaid, unseen.

I think there are not enough photos included with reports here - it's a visually stimulating environment we write about after all. I would not myself publish the name or face of someone I met in Thailand. Better to use a pseudonym, an initial maybe, and a photo that does not show the face. This is an anonymous public forum so its inevitable that subscribers will both react and over react to posts. It can be daunting when people react with anonymous hostility but that's the game we're in here. But to the OP I would say thank you for your report, I see you had permission from the guy to publish his photo so fair enough. I would suggest in future you angle your camera downwards or, better still, take him from behind.

I feel really bad reading this thread - I have never paid such high tips! In a massage shop in pattaya I usually pay 300 for massage and tip 400 - 500 if it ends happily. For an in-room massage I typically pay 500 if it ends happily and up to 1000 if he takes me up where we belong. My bad.

I'm in the process of having some shirts and a jacket made by this tailor in Jomtien. I had shirts made on a previous visit and I was very happy with the quality and the fit. I am getting some heavy cotton shirts for 850 bath and some light ones for 750 baht, all long-sleeved. The jacket will cost 2,800 baht. He has a reputation for being a bit more expensive than some others in Pattaya, however the price is just a fraction of what it would be at home and he's very conveniently located if you are staying in Jomtien. I agree with ggobkk that it is hard to bargain with the owner, Mr Singh?, due to his exceptionally straitened circumstances, the expense of running a business, pressure from suppliers etc. However you should still be able to get at least 10% off. The shop is called Siam Next Fashion. It is right beside the entrance to the Jomtien Complex at 413/30-31 Tappraya Rd.