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I do wish tawan will remain, so there will be some sort of competition, which should be good for the market. Hopefully it will also translate to more muscular guys at gogo bars on offer. At the same time, i wish atlas bar will be more innovative in their offerings and more aggressive in their hiring of muscular guys. Long gone where we have several guys who we can classify them as tawan superstar. Maybe we should start to see it making a comeback in atlas bar.

Funny, i consider supper is any meal after dinner.

I dont even notice thats there is a politic forum lol

Do what i do, stay clear of the beer bar forum. Thatll take care of 99% percent of the issue.

Maybe for Str8 mb, finding a BF to rely on for your expense isn't in the picture. Those who i know personally also have a wife and children or at least a steady GF, so they start to think about that future too. Meanwhile, young gay MB still hoping of an easy life and won lottery of a sugar daddy or rich boyfriend who will take care of their financial till death.

Perhaps they need to remember that most gays will not have son or daughter to rely on when we are older, unlike our str8 counterpart. Tiny portion may resort to get married anyway due to family pressure but im sure guy like Min who has string principle will not consider that. Another consideration is to adopt, and it does seems thailand upcoming marriage bills will allow this to happen legally. But based on my observation of the current gays population, most will be childless. So, it is even more important for us to be self dependent during our retirement time. And for those who work as MB, they only have a very limited windows to earn money with their looks. Alas, as many have point out, MB with this kind of quality are rare indeed. Those i know who have this kind of thinking are surprisingly, the str8 MBs.

Interesting. Id be happy with any bars having more muscular guys, be it for off or just part of the show or maybe their waiters or perhaps their papasan lol. Of course, if they have muscular guys for offing, that would be ideal. A gym theme bar might be interesting too.

Id go middle guy first then lol

So since your case isnt boyfriend situation, there is no exclusiveness i assume. Does the monthly stipends continues after he went back working at gogo?

Does it also means you cant take or go out with other boys as well?

This part has me thinking. Im guessing here, is he not happy with the fixed minimum 25k hence the question? Had you follow his request and decided to just give him fixed allowance, would the amount increase? Itll be interesting to see why he is not immediately happy with your offer. Or is it just too complicated hehe

And you smell like cookies

I believe the mindset is only obvious is tourist area. Majority of their businesses will be tourists who also behave similarly, i.e trying to bargain down the price as much as possible. Most of the tourists comes to thailand once or twice in their lifetime so they will not see you again, thus it might be his only chance to make more money of you by ripping you off and never see you again. Once they are able to see you are a returning tourists, aka goes there 1-2 a year at least, then its a different story. A totally different story if they know you are living in thailand i supposed, but i have no personal experience on this. Anyway, due to this particular reason, if the guy is someone i really like, which is very few, i will give a second try and almost always the second one is much better.

Thats mighty generous of you. Equivalent to 4k baht for 60min.

I want to say they wouldnt dare do it in highly publicize event but we have heard reports of drugs usage in a very publicize white party.....

Have you tried massage with cream, lotion, or massage cream/balm? My favorite is still virgin coconut oil as it does acts as moisturizer so you can leave it in your skin. I still clean up after massage but wont worry as much about residue.

I love massages but i rarely take thai massage. In fact, i think i only had thai massage once in my entire life, and decided the technique, if done wrongly, can be dangerous. In particular the one that involves neck and spine. Even then, taking oil massages, they usually ends with few stretches of thai massage, and again, ill politely refuse if it deals with spine or neck twisting. My brother is an orthopaedic surgeon and ive once asked about this and he says he has seen many cases of massage gone wrong. Of course, if its done right, it can be very rewarding. So my advice is, stick to legit massage place with masseurs that has certification for your thai massages. Otherwise, relaxing oil massages are much better to relax and release your tension coupled with deep tissue massages, or even better, sport massage for muscle recovery. Ive never try chiropractor, and might never will. I agree though, if after and HE is the main reason to patronize the center, forget about my advice and pick the one who fits the bills lol

Its okay, trump will make sure US will charge tariff on those too

Like reader's mentioned, and im pretty sure if the guys are happy with just dancing and drinks for tips, they will be content with the tips they made. I do hope the bars do pay them a fixed income, at least minimum wages.

Count me in. Hopefully our schedule aligned next year.

I think most already answered your question quite lengthy. I can add a bit more on my own experience. Based on OP requirement of only HE, which is just Hand job i assumed, you can definitely get it at some legit premium massage place in bangkok. The one that i have tried include prestige, chapter 6 Sathorn, SSense massage Suan Phlu. I have also tried Jeyspa, Prince, VCK where full service are their main purpose but they would be considered as premium massage center in term of facilities. I wouldnt say you would get great massage there, but guys there are meeting your requirement of muscular masseurs. The first 3 i suggested should be more towards your need as ive had consistently good-great massage by the masseurs there. They do have line/website for you to choose your masseurs, and in all 3 places, ive been offered HE. Hope to hear your experiences trying any of the massage places recommended by the members here soon!

+1. Seems to be the same for me too.

Thanks for sharing such intimate details. Seems like J and you have something special, even though it started as a commercial transaction.

Hope you dont mind me asking, and you dont have to answer me if you dont want to. Im curious, is J looking for a husband/partner rather than a client? And as far as you know, did he only ever go out with you alone or he will go with others if he feels like it?

Living and working next door to thailand, i do feel less "attached" to the guys in thailand as much as those who became my regular here. But i guess, since im still working and not looking for anything more than transactional fun, both here and in thailand, i am spared from this feeling. What i do notice is i have plenty more options in thailand that fits my criteria, so much easier for me to find another one if one of my regular thai guys stop working or disappear. Much harder to find a new guy here so, i tend to get a bit more attached i suppose. Only until i find their replacement lol. Perhaps if i stopped working, as in retired, i might change towards finding more equal partnership/companions. More free time coupled with knowledge that my nest eggs will continue to shrink might expedite that.