JimmyJoe

Another vote for the Agate. I've stayed there a few times and liked it very much. The premises are very nice and the staff always made me, and my young friends, feel welcome.

Two points. Over and over again I am amazed at the potency of Thai money, massage boys, especially their ability to get hard instantly and to cum over and over again. Is it the industry that attracts these guys with this unusual ability ( I suspect so) or is this broadly how Thai males generally are? No way for me to know. Also, I just don’t get the often blurred lines of Thai male sexuality. There seem to be many Thais who a somewhere along the spectrum of bisexuality, which I can more or less fathom. But these high performance-art straights, killing you softly in bed. I really don’t get how they do it. It must be due to true desperation. Because, if I try to think of myself performing similar acts on women, for money, on command, no matter how hard I tried, there is no way in hell I could do any of it (revealing of where I am on the bi spectrum). Maybe people have difference tolerance levels for disgusting acts (the infamous “ick” factor).

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My sentiment exactly. The phrase is an oxymoron if ever there was one. You’ll also note my use of the word performer. I meant it in the sense of an acting performance as well as a sexual one. Summed up best by a447 in his post following yours. These guys, gay and straight, are all acting, with wildly varying results.

That has been exactly my experience this trip. Last December /January Cupidol was the place for me. Not so this trip. Dream boys has been good. But lots of straight twinks, and I really do prefer gay. I’ve had too many straight, bags of rice in my bed. I'll digress to say I hooked up with a hot, straight, Dream Boy boy the other night. It goes against my instincts, to off a straight, but he was so persistently saying he did everything. Mamasan came over and said, “We guarantee”. "If you want fuck and boy not fuck, you no pay.” I’d like to see that unhappy scenario unfolding with boy in my condo. Anyway, took boy off and, get this, he was a great performer, enthusiastic bottom and great kisser! More so than most of my gay offs (the kissing part). So I may have to reevaluate my no straights policy (exception always having been Nice Boys, same same but different). But I have to add one caveat re: this great performing straight boy. He did transform the LT into ST. But I didn't care at that point, he'd been so valiant in bed. My experience so far this trip: Prism is best and yes, Toy Boys is mostly boys I’m not even remotely interested in, some are even downright fat. But there certainly has been the one I mentioned in previous post who made my trip there well worth it. BTW, last night midnight he sent me a whole spate of his sexy photos. I guess he hadn’t been offed and was vying for another off with me. So yeah, it’s all about negotiating skills…and supply and demand.

There have been so many interesting contributions here. Just to wend back momentarily to the ToyBoys off tip expectations, as the OP. I went back to ToyBoys last night. It was full of eager boys. Three or four to my taste. I bought one boy a drink, Cambodian, and I mean drop dead gorgeous, perfect muscle twink body (again, question of personal taste). When he said he wanted 2000 st 3000 lt. I said 2000 lt, until at least nine a.m. Period. He was unhappy. I just started scanning the room and smiling at all the boys who were waving, etc. at me, totally prepared to take one of them. My boy quickly said, yes, yes 2000 lt. He ended up even more beautiful dressed, if that’s possible. Performed wonderfully back in my room and hung around til noon. I had to push him out the door.

I actually did get a bit carried away there once and had a bit of a scare of insufficient funds. The boys were good natured about it, although they did all sort of appear en masse at one point, with some hitherto unseen thugs (possibly of Thai or Chinese Corlione family branch). Totally nonthreatening, but intimidating. In between worries of being taken hostage or some such, I was of half a mind to ask them all to drop their pants then and there. Of course they know me pretty well...In the end I found my emergency cash stash that I'd forgotten about in the, well, heat of the moment. Everyone parted happy and satisfied.

I am happy to report that, much to my surprise, the routes I took leading to Sunee last night were devoid of racing Arabs. A motorbike cop was on constant patrol. Many, many Arabs were cavorting about On Foot. Some on bikes but driving them cautiously (I did not think that within the realm of possibility for them). The interesting effect I saw was the streets were full of regular pedestrians going here and three. The neighborhood got a new lease on life. If only we could believe the crackdown would last, because it really was effective last night, around 9-10 p.m.

I certainly hope so, considering their usual alcohol consumption and current relative lack of customers I think that combination would make for many unhappy, bored boys. So here's to the premixed cokes.

One of the host bar managers in Jomtien mentioned to me he’d be “closed” Saturday and Sunday until midnight, but that, since it’s so hot in their rooms, the boys would all be sitting outside, drink-less, but available.

I'd like to know if you find a better route. It's gotten to be such motorcycle mayhem on the way to Sunee that I've been going there less than I'd like to.

That's also been my observation there these past few days, several new boys. A couple of hung and sexy twinks, although I would term them more rough trade twinks. Perfect for my eclectic taste.

Thank you for the investigations leading to the very precise information re: bar policy. So, the boy I was trying to negotiate with there was indeed being entirely truthful. Maybe I'll try my luck negotiating there again but I doubt it, as the last two nights I popped my head in for a peek there, I saw far more Chinese customers than boys.

From what I gather, no bars will be open this weekend due to a Buddhist holiday. Will all the bars, gogos, host, be shuttered, or just not serving alcohol? What’s a butterfly to do, aside from online trade?

I know many experienced forum members never discuss money with the boy in the bar and that works very well for them. I guess is really does make sense too. It might help to motivate the boy. But how can you make sure both parties end up parting on happy terms? Before he leaves do you just hand him say 1200 ST or 1800 LT? Take it or leave it. What if he had been expecting 1500, 2000 - 3000? Do you just stand firm and he goes away one unhappy boy, presumably not talking nicely about you at his bar. Or do you up the ante?

Excellent advice. That's not typo, right, offer him 500 B in bar if LT turns in to ST? That really will separate the LT willing from the unwilling.

Well yes, but I was interested in Toy Boys and asking about others experiences there.

Very interesting information. I will try to use it wisely.

Thanks guys for all the insightful comments. I agree with all of you. Now I see, some of our very own, and favorite, forum members are high rollers and helping cause fee inflation. Joking, joking, please don’t start a war with me. Maybe I’ll make another attempt at Toyboys and casually talk to Mena. Just to finish my story, if anyone’s interested. After realizing the Toyboys boy wouldn’t budge on 3000 LT fee, I tipped him, thanked him for his time and went across the street to Prisma, my first time there too. It was great. I managed to shoo away the pushy mamasan. I offed a lovely boy who was happy with 2000 LT, and I was very happy with him. The next night (last night) I went to Dreamboys. There were lots of boys there. Many twinks to my taste. I offed one I found stunning. 2000 LT. But, I am noticing the general push back from LT, mentioned several times on this forum, I believe. In this case, the boy was happy, all sweetness and light, but, after we left the bar, and had had great sex, he gradually began compiling a laundry list of urgent items he might possibly have to attend to. I have to say I found the whole process quite amusing. I’m determined to just go with the flow and enjoy the experiences I get to have with these boys, however brief. On his growing list, among other things: got lots of text messages, a friend of his from the bar was lost in some dark street,t crying, after being abandoned by a customer. Then my boy developed a cough. I suggested several times he should just go, no problem, we do short time. “No, no” says he. The last straw was when he said he might have to walk his dogs…I almost burst out laughing. At that point I gave him a big kiss and bade him a ST tip farewell.

Now I'm in even more of a quandary. I thought 1500 ST was minimum for gogo bars. Host bars another story. I'll have to try to hone my negotiating skills.

I was in Toyboys two nights ago. I had a drink with a boy who seemed quite willing. He insisted on 1500B ST 3000 LT. I was surprised at the 3000. The boy was nice enough but no star. I’ve not paid more than 2000. He swore up and down it was bar policy. Every single boy there would be same same. Since it was my first time there, I have no way of knowing. I’d like to go back there since several of the boys were quite good looking. Do you guys think 3000 is the going rate in that bar? I noticed a lot of Chinese customers which I guess never bodes well in terms of price inflation.

Great report. Enjoying it very much. And well written!

Numazu, I’m so happy and very pleasantly surprised to see that you have resumed your trip reports. Your experiences, so eloquently and thoughtfully reported are always enjoyable to read and so full of useful information for the newbie to Thailand that I am. I look forward to every installment. Thank you. And do report on Mexico!

Not to mention, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to access escort profiles on the new and improved site. Inside Thailand escort profiles aren't used, but outside of Thailand, that's the important part of the site for me. Hoping they don't ever decide to unplug the classic version.

I was in Phuket this past December. I found the gay scene disappointing, almost depressing. As far as I could tell, there was only one gay gogo bar. The others were host bars or show bar. I went twice to the gogo. Twice to a host bar, James Dean. At the Gogo I really only saw two guys I found attractive. Everyone, papasan and guys were nice enough. But no way anything to compare to Bangkok or Pattaya scene. I have to say, I found a couple of real gems in massage shops around the Paradise complex. Including one from Isan I ended up spending most of my time with. Still, I left before my originally planned departure date…to get back to Pattaya.