JimmyJoe

Oh sure, not taking anything personally. I can certainly see for myself how quiet things are. But this summer calm in Pattaya is certainly not keeping me from enjoying myself. Thanks for the kind words.

I often think their window of opportunity is so brief. Your post is so true, we must also consider their situation.

More times than not, I realize at some point very early morning that the boy I offed for LT the night before is lying quietly, patiently next to me, with his eyes closed, waiting for me to wake up. I guess, sometimes, not having slept at all, or only fitfully, since their schedule is the opposite of mine. I also notice, if the waiting goes on too long after dawn, they use various subtle, or not-so-subtle, tricks to wake me up. I don't ask them how they slept. I do admire their patience, usually, depending on how long they wait to prod me, or cough, or drop something

This I have found an essential policy. If I organize a rotation and never the same boy on two consecutive nights, things go more smoothly. They don't start taking me for granted and they can't gain the upper hand they often seek.

Yes. That makes sense. But what confuses me is sometimes I hear "my friend you" and I realize they mean "your friend". I guess they just mix up the possessive pronouns mine and yours sometimes. But of course, I'm always grateful when they speak English at all. And I have to confess I melt when I hear their pronunciation difficulties. A boy recently said to me: We go together send box mangoes to sister me. Several pitfalls for him.

I find this one often confusing. Doesn't Thai make this distinction? Is this another context dependent item?

Thanks for that. I've often seen the Google "girlfriend" and figured more context was needed to translate. But now with, your reference to some English examples, it makes perfect sense.

This is so true and a source of concern here. I also once had extreme drama with a boy who came banging on my bedroom window at 6 am, drunk, while I was with another boy. It wasn't simple. At least he wasn't physically violent. You said the three key words: unstable, face and anger. This boy already seems unstable to me. I'm not making him any promises and I've also taken to daily payment. He's accepted that I'm "helping him". Interestingly, I've gotten him now in the habit of sleeping in his room some nights, leaving me free to roam and explore. He doesn't like it, but he is of the extremely docile kind. So, if I say: I do not see you tonight, he accepts. Afterwards, he sends me a steady stream of messages and stickers all evening, asking when we meet, which I do not respond to. But at least he doesn't come over and bang on the window, yet.

Thanks for all the insightful and very helpful input, guys. In the past I’ve sometimes received money requests from boys after returning home. I never sent money. I don't intend to this time either. I get the impression he’s desperate to find a boyfriend to take care of him. He seems equally desperate to avoid having to work as a money boy in a bar. He tells me he started work in the bar (he’s a recent recruit) because his friend from home said that was how he could find a girlfriend, sic Google. I said “So?” He said, I found many men, but no one loved me. Anyway, I guess I’ll make him a lump sum payment on last day rather than each day. This does seriously jeopardize my inveterate butterfly ways. But, in addition to being my ideal in outward appearance, he syncs perfectly with my needs/desires. The first I've met who does. And yes, Reader, your points are well taken. Carpe Diem it will be.

I'm in Pattaya now and was wondering if any forum members would be interested in a meet up. Always interesting to "exchange notes" and get to talk with other like-minded Westerners.

how many boys?

This is a new twist for me. My current favorite boy in Pattaya has announced he doesn't want me to give him any more money, because I make him happy...He could almost be my grandson, so, somehow I think money is a big factor for him. Since there is no such thing as a free lunch, I assume this is a ploy to extract even more from me, one way or another. Anyone else had this experience? I figure I should make sure to pay him the usual every day, wouldn't want my debt to him to accumulate.

Recently, I’ve been making a few comments about ex GoodBoys, now Dragon. It occurs to me that might skew people’s option about my usual escapades here. Since many posters here have given me/us such valuable information, I wanted to participate a bit. Also, not wanting anyone to think I spend ALL my time seeking sleeze (though I do spend virtually all my time seeking boys), I thought I’d make a very minor contribution with a few thoughts on this trip. I’m halfway though a one month stay. I come in high and low season. This is the lowest, low season I’ve experienced. My usual go-to gogo, Toyboys, has not had more than 4 or so boys on stage when I’ve peeked during this trip. Only a few more at Dreamboys. Cupidol usually, maybe 14 boys and about as many customers. Only two boys to my liking, so far. I offed both, not at the same time. I haven’t actually gone inside Winner Boys this trip. From the boys hanging around outside it looked like slim pickings, but I’m not sure. Sunee overall extremely quiet. Though I’m not showing up around there too much for the rest of the trip, as a boy I know all too well, who’s a real fixture there, has become very angry I’m not spending all my time with him. I find boy management quite difficult, as I like to go with many, and still have regular sleeping partners. It’s hard to have your cake and eat it too, I know. So now I’ve begun frequenting Jomtien complex, a bit more. It is mostly very, very quiet. I always stay at a condo in Jomtien. But I’ve never felt comfortable with the host bar business model there. I feel like it’s a reverse gogo bar: instead of the boys being on display, I feel like I’m on display. They chose me, or not, vs gogo bar where I chose them, pretty much. But I am pleased to report that this trip I’ve offed some great boys from Jomtien C, all from @Homebar. Some of the most handsome boys with sculpted swimmer bodies I’ve ever been with (two of them work their parent’s rice fields and it shows!) . Just goes to show, it pays to branch out and diversify a bit. On the other hand, I find the apps difficult. Over the years I’ve met some keepers, mainly on Hornet & Grindr, who’ve.become regulars. But more times than not, I don’t see anyone who’s appealing to me and when I do meet them, even less appealing. Interestingly, I noted this trip one stunning, muscle boy from Grindr would not even consider taking less than 2000B ST in December and was fairly rude about it. This time, he had new photos and I didn’t realize it was him at first. I said "Hi" and then HE offered 1000B as the opener! Times are slow, even for the muscle boys (not usually my type, but I certainly make an exception for him).

I totally agree. Faulty Thai logic. The interesting news I can report is: in the past two weeks, the few times I have managed to find Dragon open, with boys, they were thrilled to accept 300B...I guess times really are dire.

Dragon was open last night around 9:00. One boy, not available.

Closed Thursday and (yesterday) Friday night.

Visited two nights ago. Much to my chagrin, only three boys working. I found none attractive. A far cry from former Good Boys, where I found the rough trade boys had many qualities. I hope things improve, maybe during next high season? Spoke to bartender he said no farang, so no boys, no boys, so no farang.

I've been in the same position, also at VT 7. The boys I met from bars and online all knew right away where to go. I cannot remember exactly where any of the ST rooms were. Mesmerized by the boys as I was...just followed them.

Thanks so much for the update with such great news and optimism. So nice to read after all the concern many have voiced. It would be great if PaulSF might chime in with details. I would love to know a precise program to follow to hit several bars and avoid all the shows. The shows don't interest me in the least and I try to time things, but I think PaulSF has it down to an art ! My system is really hit or miss.

Exactly my view of the Amara, too. I have stayed there a few times and always liked it very much. It is good value for money. The infinity pool is very nice and the staff is always polite and helpful. Unsurprisingly, the summer season rates can be much lower than in high season. I've also found Agoda quotes better rates for the Amara than the hotel's own website. Haven't had a guest there yet.

I'm in Pattaya now and would love to meet up with other forum members. previous profile JimmyJoe

I’m wondering how much people tip waiters at gogo bars. I’ve often found the check bin process unnerving with people, I hadn’t ever noticed before, hovering around and hoping for tips. One thing I have learned from this forum: from now on I will pay with exact change so I can easily keep track of my change and who and how much gets tipped. Usually, I will have bought two or three drinks (one for me). I usually tip the waiter 20B per drink or a straight 50B. Is this amount ok? Should I place this on top of the book that arrives containing the check? Nothing inside? Now on to the highly controversial part. Usually I do not seek advice from mamasans, But they always hover around, much as I try to shoo them away, to no avail. I almost never even consider tipping them. When they are too pushy, I sometimes want to just jump up and leave the bar, cock-blocked, so to speak. But sometimes I do end up asking them about the boys and some of them (e.g. in Toy Boys) I actually like, a little bit. So, in that case, how much should I tip? Somehow 100B seems like too much and 20B insulting, though I remember one at Power Boys standing by the door as I was leaving with her hand out saying, “20B”…which I did not give her, BTW. Most of my experience is in Pattaya. How much do you guys tip waiters and, if ever, mamasans? I’ve talked a lot about mamasans but I’m especially interested in waiter tips.

Thanks for the reading tip. Just bought Bangkok Boy B from Amazon. Looks like an interesting read.

I agree completely that it is essential to take the boys feelings into account. I also agree, the situation is very different if you are in your forties or in your seventies, in terms of the outside world's reaction to the age difference. I'll soon be sixty, so midway between the two situations. Like I said in my post, several boys have asked for these trips. So I guess their feelings would be ok. Of course, if they've never traveled abroad with an older customer they might not yet know what to expect. One boy who's been angling for a trip to Malaysia has already traveled there with a customer, albeit an Asian one. That probably changes the equation too, although I don't know.

What a long rant full of contradictions. You claim not to care what others think of you with YOUR young looking boy, and voice disdain for other board members who do care. And then say I should feel uncomfortable and you would too, if you were me... As the French saying goes: You've missed a great opportunity to keep quiet.