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Got a quick question for you guys: looking at my options tonight. Which boy bar has a fucking show? Is there one past midnight? Or just at the 10:30?

Thanks! I’m so out practice with Pattaya that I didn’t know it had Grab. Will give that a go. Can you use grab to get to Pattaya from Bangkok? Or is that too cost prohibitive? Good point. Hilton might be my choice, and it being walkable is good. I’ll try to write a short report if anything interesting happens. Thanks for confirming my Hilton choice. Roof top restaurant definitely seals the deal. top notch advice, thanks! Didn’t know this was an option and will definitely try Koh Larn out! follow up qesition: which are the top gogó bars in Bangkok and Pattaya right now?

So gone are the days when I would spend a week or two in Thailand, but I will be in Thailand for a few days next week. So if people can help a long-time poster out with some questions, I would be grateful! 1. Anyone in Bangkok the same time who want to meet up? PM me. 2. I'll be staying in Pattaya for a few days, and not looking to stay close to where the action is, and I am looking to more upscale hotels that have beach access. How does one get around Pattaya if I am staying at the Intercontinental or the Hilton? I've always stayed close to Boyztown so never really thought about how to do this. 3. Are there any good beaches in Pattaya? Is that a stupid question? LOL Thank you! Incidentally, I was in Bangkok earlier this year for a few days, and I had two amazing short time sessions from a boy in Dream Boy and another from Hot Male. I paid 2500 baht for both. Dare I say it, but the Dream Boy sex was reminiscent of how the Brazilians do it, so it was particularly memorable.

I don't know @floridarob, this usual complaint is always put on this board. The standard complaints of "I remember when it was 500 baht for short time!" or as @vinapu puts it: "the water was wetter in my day", is running against the same cross currents as previous punters have seen. At some point certain realities need to be put into consideration. Maybe 150 reais is not worth it to them anymore. We complain when a garoto de programa is late for an appointment with us, saying that tardiness just does not fly if you are in a first world country, but if they put the same value on their time by putting a "por hora" rate that puts more value on their time (like in first world countries), we complain as well. I've probably been known to pay more maybe, in this board and in the sauna, and I don't mind that. I'd rather pay 300 reais for mind-blowing sex (and i've had that experience in Lagoa when I was there recently), that paying 150 reais to a reluctant boy who thinks its not worth his time and goes through the motions. As a result I think the boys seek me out in the sauna, and try to deliver almost everything I would want in a programa, because they all talk to each other as you know, and they know what they are getting from me. Even if I'm always in Brazil, my time is short, and I have no patience, nor the time, to going through a bad programa. I know a boy who is probably one of the top earners in Lagoa, and he said 150 reais has not been the average rate for a few years now. He told me Lagoa was super busy last Friday, and he knew it was gonna be full of boys and clients, and most (not all) of the clients would be offering 150 reais. When he saw this he just turned around and left and got some work online, which to him was a better use of his time. He has his reasons that he still like going to Lagoa (more volume business and makes his daily routine more manageable than the 24/7 nature of online work), but sometimes it is not worth enough for him to go. And of course, the saunas outside of the Lagoa-117-Pointe nexus will still have the sub-150 rate that is preferable, but that has their own downsides (quality of boys or saunas not as good etc), but it is still possible to have the "Brazil Classic" experience that we all look back with nostalgia. Just my 2 cents, and YMMV.

Intriguing predicament @Canadianbtmguy. Did you end up helping the guy? I’ve been asked to help with airfare throughout the years by GPs and never really did help anyone if I wasn’t in the same trip. Seems like he is desperate. And is he staying in an airport while he waits for help? Winter in Europe can’t be a comfortable climate for a Brasileiro.

Whoa a (rare) complement from @scott456! I agree with @scott456 on this one. Money helps a lot, but GPs will account also for your perceived appearance and demeanor. I’ve had many GPs tell me they have refused clients over bad breathe or severe body odor, or any number of other physical attributes or traits they deem as unacceptable to work with. But money can only go so far. I know of a GP who was offered 2000 reias a day for 2 weeks to stay with a client, but quit after 4 days (and got compensated for those 4 days), because the client was super demanding and treated him like an object (and did other stupid things I will not mention). We forget sometimes that this is more or less just work for the boys, and is not always a good time for them, even if it’s a good time for us. It’s hard to be with someone disgusting or disagreeable for 24 hours a day, even if you are well compensated, and especially if the boy has other options, even for less money, but treated much better. @jaymelayu please let us know how you fare! I am sure you will be fine!

Lucky you! I’ll never trade the feeling of my first time in a sauna in Brazil. If you’re interested in knowing how that went, it’s all here: Anyway, to your question, yes mobile phones are allowed in the saunas so you’ll have that to help you. And thank goodness for Google Translate! How did we ever survive without it? I do have a few tips for you to make those transactions with these hot men a little bit easier. This definitely helped me starting out. After that though I’ve decided to be fluent in the language and that was one of my best decisions I’ve ever made: 1. Take the time to learn some basic words: Even if you will rely on your Google Translator, knowing some words in Portugues will help. Which words? I’d go to YouTube to find out which words to learn. This is a good video that gives you the basic phrases as a tourist. It’ll also get your ears used to hearing how Brazilian Portugues sounds like: So try to brush up on your Obrigados (thank you) and Ois (hello) and Desculpas (sorry) before you go. 2. Know the basic Portugues sex words and phrases. Simply putting “ I’m a top” in Google Translate will result in a slightly different thing than what you intended. So knowing the basic sex terms in Portugues will definitely come a long way. Phrases like: Ativo - Top Passivo - Bottom Versatil - Versatile Ativo liberal - Someone who prefers to top sometimes will bottom under the right circumstances (this is incidentally my sweet spot and my preference of guy in the saunas) Beija bem? - Do you kiss well? Você faz o que? - What do you do/what sexual positions do you do? Quanto? - How much? Chupar - suck Vai me comer? - Will you fuck me? Gozar/Com gozar - to Cum, with cum (sometimes a negotiating tactic) There are a lot of more words to mention, but this should get you started. 3. When using Google Translate, keep it simple. One mistake people often make while using Google Translate is the usage of complex sentences with colloquialisms and jargon that translate differently from what you mean. For example, let’s say your new Brazilian boyfriend invited you to a party tonight. You just realized that your butt is sore due to the non-stop pounding you just received from that 10 inch dick. You take you phone and type in the sentence “Can I get a raincheck? meaning that you can’t go now but would want to be invited the next time he goes. The translation will be wrong of course, as raincheck is a colloquialism that means something else when directly translated. But just putting in something as simple as “Next time" is good enough to convey the point across. Complex sentences with multiple clauses will more than likely confuse the algorithm of the translator, resulting in garbled translation. Break it up into simpler and more digestible phrases will come a long way. 4. When negotiating price, best way is through your phone. If you’re not familiar on how to count in Portugues, best way to show how much one is willing to pay or to get paid, is to use your phone’s calculator app and putting in the amount to show them, or for them to show you. Sometimes boys will try to say the amount in English but it is sometimes wrong. It’s easy enough to say duzentos when saying 200 reais but when in doubt, use your calculator. Also the calculator’s font size is big enough to get the point across. 5. Don’t use your phone to translate when outside Using your phone to translate inside the sauna or bar or restaurant or hotel room is fine because it is secure. But say you and you paramour are walking hand-in-hand on Rua Augusta and you had the urge to tell your boy how much you love the feeling of his cum shooting inside your butt, but you don’t know how. Don’t just whip pout your phone in the middle of the street and start typing away on Google Translate! That’s the easiest way to get your phone snatched. It can wait till you are inside where it is more secure. I think I’ve covered most of what I feel will help you. In time you will learn the language through immersion, if you are open to it of course. I feel that my experience in Brazil has improved 100 times more significantly by learning the language and connecting with the people. The cellphone is a blessing and a curse: it allows us to communicate with people that we otherwise will have difficulty understanding, but at the same token, having a cellphone with you at all times makes the experience weird and impersonal, at least for me. Besides, it’s better to put down that cellphone to two-hand that 10 inch monster you just paid duzentos reais for.

I am sounding like a broken record but... My last Thailand trip was at Songkran last April and, to be honest, I've only had free Grindr sex due to the throngs of available asian (and white!) gay tourists in town for Songkran and GCircuit. This was my first Thailand trip ever where I did not off anyone from the bars or elsewhere. i didn't need to, and to be honest, I didn't want to. Another story for another time. But when I am in Brazil, my sexual encounters are probably half paid from the saunas and half from Grindr. I like paid encounters because of the aforementioned instant gratification and also getting to do (sex) things that you can't just do to anyone with someone who probably would be hotter than your normal Grindr fare. But sometimes Grindr is the only (viable) option at times. I was in Buenos Aires recently and trolling for paid guys in the sites seem to be super cumbersome, and the free market was, to me, surprisingly booming and amazing, teeming with very cute guys that are relatively very available right now. As long as I can afford it I'll always have paid sex. And as long as I can get it I'll always have free sex. TLDR: I like sex.

I would never ever understand certain people's propensity to be adversarial every single turn instead of being helpful and respectful of other's views, even if the agreement isn't there. There is always a way to disagree without being disagreeable, and the message will be received much better this way instead of having this unnecessary bullshit. Ultimately, this says more about the poster and his (online) character, than the poster's intent to prove his or her point. But what can I say, I am an eternal optimist, and will always think that all people are capable of kindness and consideration towards other people. At the end of the day, we are all human beings, with our own struggles and concerns, and showing a little kindness towards other people isn't that fucking hard.

You’re welcome @12is12 and @BlkSuperman for the kind words. I don’t alway go to this forum to post (too much life to live), but on some rare downtime I try to be as helpful as possible to new travelers, as I have gotten valuable advice on the world from like-minded people on here. I’m just trying to pay it forward. Re: São Paulo pride. I’ll probably post about my recent Brazil experiences anyway, so watch out for that. If not, I’ll put those thoughts in this thread. And @BlkSuperman, I have yet to visit DR and have read your invaluable posts about the country. Maybe I’d be lucky enough to hang out with you when you go one day.

Same Ramiro. Was nice to see him at 555 on that one Sunday. Glad he found a landing spot after he quit (or was fired? Not sure) 117. I wonder if he can turn 555 around. He is certainly trying: Europe was fun, but I just can’t stay away from Brazil, so for now, I’m spending my pennies here. His name is Renan Kalany, and he has a huge following on Insta and has an Only Fans. I’ve been an admirer of his ever since I met him in Santos, São Paulo a few years ago, as he was a friend of a friend. When I met him he looked younger than his pics I had to ask for ID. And that’s all I’m gonna say about him. Here’s some pics for your viewing pleasure. I made him my profile pic because he is an intersection of what guys here on the forum like: a cute hairless young twink, who just happens to be Brazilian. So his dick is (much?) bigger than the average Thai money boy:

Insight on months… an interesting question. In the past I’ve always thought that winter is worse than summer due to the weather outside, but recently I’ve seen really busy days in July (winter) and some slow days in January (summer), and that depends on what day of the month it is more than anything. But if there are special occasions throughout the year you should look out for, here are my observations based on past experience. Let me just preface this by saying that special occasions (holidays) bring out revelers to SP or Rio from other parts of Brazil to commemorate the occasion, and this includes boys who think those revelers and foreign tourists will bring in more business, and thus program their visits around the sauna to earn extra cash. February to beginning of March (variable due to Ash Wednesday timing): Carnaval 2023 Carnaval was out of this world due to no Carnaval in 2021 and 2022 due to the pandemic and all that pent up energy was both seen on the streets, the parties, and the saunas. I’ve been to Carnaval in Rio, São Paulo and Salvador in the past 6 years, and all those times, the saunas were packed with both regular and new boys who I’ve never seen before and never seen since, coming from all over. I remember in 2019 I invited some (non-GP) SP friends over to Rio to stay at my apartment, and even they turned to the saunas to earn some pocket change since business was good. I was even on hand to translate for some gringo clients. Fun times. Last weekend of June: São Paulo Gay Pride 2023 was my first Gay Pride in SP, and even tho I was in SP mainly for the pride march (which is a story in and of itself, maybe a future post), the saunas were full of first-time and part-time GPs just in town to take advantage of the increased gay tourism Pride offered. I probably met with 4 GPs who I have never seen ever in Lagoa, who added a needed variety of what Lagoa usually offered. And I never saw those 4 ever again after that week. Last week of December to early January: Christmas and New year (réveillon) Just with the previous two entries, more tourism means more business for boys, so other boys come to take advantage. SP and Rio usually are pretty good, though Rio gets the advantage for a better New Year’s eve celebration in Copacabana than with SP. Just be warned, the saunas may be closed on Christmas and New Year’s eve, but after Christmas is a start of a busy week or two at the saunas. From my archives: Other good dates when saunas have extra boys, based on Holidays: Tiradentes Day (April 21), Independence Day (Sep. 7), Our Lady of Aparecida’s Day (Oct. 12) etc. I was in Rio on an Independence day that fell on a Friday, and the gay section of Ipanema beach was paaaacked cheek to jowl with Brazilian and foreign hottie gay men. Some were later found in the saunas too. Outside those dates, I’d say its still a good time to go, since the need for money is eternal. , And because of the relatively strict child support laws in Brazil, you will always find that special guy who is in need of some extra cash in the sauna.

See my post above. My opinion: too much hassle to get your own SIM card with just a short trip. It’d be much easier to get GoogleFi, or if you have certain plans with AT&T, you get free roaming in Latin America, including Brazil. Chili Peppers in São Paulo is a good option. You will have no problems getting laid there as they cater to all types. You probably won’t encounter the adonises of the GP saunas tho if you are not one yourself (as it is not a pay for play sauna), but it is a fun distraction regardless. Just be careful, it is in a sketchy neighborhood. Don’t pull out your cell after getting off the Uber, and call the Uber in the waiting area in the sauna till it arrives. I don’t do poppers, so can’t help you there. I wont chance putting it on your luggage, as the Alfândega might get you at the airport (tho rare). If you get on GRindr, certain sellers will approach you if you are a gringo. Can’t say this is reputable, but there is that chance. The Heritage allows GPs from my experience, and very walkable to the sauna, so good choice.

Re: the original question… my answer is always: I’m currently in Rio, and I was just in SP, and have been alternating both cities (since 2018? Has it been that long) ever since I’ve decided to give Brazil a try. If it were me, and I just had one week to spend in Brazil a year, I’d fly into São Paulo and arrive on a Friday and spend the weekend there, and hop on a plane (or a bus) to Rio during the week, and finish out your trip back in SP for another weekend. I have found that certain days are always busy (Friday and Saturday, for example), but Mondays seem to be weirdly amazing as well. My take, from recent weeks being here: Fridays: Lagoa (SP) is better than the Rio saunas (117 or 202 are both good as well, but sometimes oddly a toss up, as one is better than the other, or both the same on Fridays) Saturdays: Lagoa (SP) is oddly better than any of the Rio saunas on Saturdays. Why is that? Sundays: Slow day, but an odd choice would be 555 in São Paulo. Ramiro is there now and they are trying to get Sunday to happen for 555. Lagoa is horrendous on Sundays with karaoke (ugh why have this), and recently has started to empty out after 7 PM due to 555 having bingo nights on Sunday. Rio has 117 as an only option, and even then it is slow. Mondays: Point (Rio) is oddly good on Mondays. Lagoa (SP) is also good. I find this odd but maybe boys get more day workers come to the sauna? 117 is closed. Meio Mundo is an option in Rio, but it is not for me. Tuesdays: 117 (Rio) would be your pick here. Point is closed. Lagoa is slow. Wednesdays: Point (Rio) is a hit or a miss on this day but mostly a hit. 117 is super slow, and Lagoa will be better. Thursdays: Lagoa will be infinitely better than the Rio saunas, but slow(ish) day in general as people are saving their pennies and penis for the weekend. Also, it will depend on what day of the month you spend your week in these two cities. The boys rely on local customers as the foundation of their business, and generally Brazilians spend less money towards the end of the month, so boys tend to not be at the saunas towards the last week of the month. Things pick up at the first of the month, and really peak after the 7th of the month as rent is due usually on the 10th. Not a hard and fast rule of course but something to keep in mind. If you find yourself at Lagoa on the 10th of the month on a Saturday, count yourself lucky, as the boy and the clients are all there on top of each other at the saunas. As always, your mileage may vary, and my experience may be a little bit different than yours @dallastexas. I also spend way too much time in Brazil in general, but judging from the experiences you have expressed here, you know why I spend a lot of my pennies and penis in this wonderful country.

Familiarity breeds contempt as they say. After that first sensational programa with your paramour, the second, third, etc times might feature less fireworks than you would hope. And you might keep on trying, to see if you can recreate the magic of the first time. And for all you know he might be trying as hard as the first time, but because you already know his magical moves, you might think the sex is getting worse. It might be getting worse, or maybe because you are less wowed than the first time. A simple "no" the next time is easy enough to say. Hard to say it maybe if you've developed a fondness for a guy you've been intimate with, but 9 times out of 10 they will understand. You are not the first person to do this to them. On average, they hear "no's" more times in a night than "yeses". They expect to hear this from you eventually. I admit that sometimes, when I have an amazing first programa with a GP, I do an "afterglow" programa the very next night. Sometimes the sex is better, sometimes it is worse. And I usually almost always say no the third night, since like @BlkSupermanhas said so eloquently, variety is the spice of life, and new penis is almost always better penis.