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Have any of you sent a PM or Email to DaBoss or jinks about this? As I said, it may be purely unintentional and they may not even be aware of it. For example, often, on my own board I ban IP numbers when registration attempts come in from that Russian company that is constantly trying to place phony registrations on my board. Sometimes, that also unintentionally bans out legitimate members. Until I receive an Email from a member that happened to, I have no way of knowing it and fixing it for that user. One of the reasons I think it may be unintentional is because I think if they were going to intentionally start deleting members, Emails, or anything else, then they would have posted some sort of announcement about it prior to doing it. Also, on any board it's a good idea to keep your Email address updated. Sometimes a board announcement might be sent out or someone may have sent a PM to you. If someone sends you a PM, most boards send a notification to you via Email informing you that you have a PM waiting. If you're someone who only logs in periodically, then you might not even know about the PM if the board is sending out the notification Email to the wrong address. If you read the board without logging on, you could have a PM sitting there for months without knowing it.

I think that's a good point. While some may say the rule should apply when someone is trying to post personal information about another person, and shouldn't apply if someone is voluntarily posting his own phone number, there is still the possibility of someone playing games with another person's telephone number. I think it would be best for people who want to give out their own telephone number to do so via a PM or Email. I think posting personal telephone numbers should not be allowed at all, even if someone wants to post his own.

This is just a guess on my part - I haven't had any communication with DaBoss about this, but my board uses the same basic software. Intentionally or unintentionally, he might have the board set to automatically prune out inactive members if they have not logged in for a specified length of time and the Email may have been automatically generated. If you received that Email, you might want to send an Email of your own to DaBoss. It's entirely possible he might not even be aware that these Emails are going out.

If that's the case, then why would he write such a post and leave that phone number, especially having no idea how many calls he might get? That makes no sense to me at all. Suppose this guy actually turns out to be genuine? Meanwhile you've got 65-trillion other boys available in Thailand. Do what you want, gents, but that post and the responses to the phone calls only mean "red lights" to me.

When it comes to this sort of thing, despite your sarcasm, you're right. If you really can't see through it, why not arrange to meet him and afterwards tell me how wrong I was? If it turns out I'm wrong, I'll be happy to eat a well deserved serving of crow. The post in near perfect English, followed by two phone calls, the phone answered by two different people, neither of whom spoke English, but the guy is so lonely? Ok . . .

Are you serious? I wouldn't give him 24 minutes. The scam is so obvious. Of course, there is always the possibility, however remote, that the guy is actually for real. So, rather than respond by calling the number, if you really want to "help" this guy find a nice friend because he is so lonely, just send him a text message - the entirety of the message being: http://www.gayromeo.com

A bar, as in just one? I don't know about Bangkok. I haven't gone to a go-go bar in Bangkok for years and I doubt I ever will again. If they want people to pay the kinds of prices most of them are charging, fine with me, but include me out. In Pattaya, try most of them, including Eros when it isn't a theme night. And even on many of their theme nights, the boys still wear whatever they want. For instance, on thong nights, the boys wear whatever kinds of thongs they want - no standard issue. Try Mic My, Nice Boys, Lucky 777, along with most of the others in Boyztown-Pattayaland. Even in Krazy Dragon, I've seen some boys wearing what they want rather than the issued attire. Have a look at the second photo on their gallery page and you'll see what I mean: http://www.krazy-dragon.com/galleryall.html

That's precisely why they usually don't advertise them outside. I doubt it. So far, in my experience, it doesn't work that way. Don't forget, the reason most boys are there in the first place is to try to be taken off. If one boy is wearing a thong and another boy is wearing bib overalls and a long sleeve shirt, guess which of the two is most likely to be taken off. I like them attired minimally too, and the boys who choose to be rather than forced to be - that's the kind of "statement" I like and that's the boy who has the best chance to be taken off, at least taken off by me. I've been in a lot of bars where the boys decide for themselves what to wear. Believe me, scanty attire is not a problem for most of them. As a matter of fact, many of them wear attire even more scanty than the bars where the boys are told what to wear. Thank goodness!

I would have said, "As long as you're inconveniencing everybody, bring orders of chicken nuggets for all of us. And since you didn't have the courtesy to even ask if the rest of us mind the stop, no matter who the fuck you think you are, since I do mind, you're paying. Oh, and I'll have an iced tea with mine."

Speaking only for myself, when I go to a go-go bar, the main factors that influence how long I'll be in there and how often I'll go are: 1. Types - Are at least some of the boys my type? Since everyone has his own preferences, I think a successful bar needs a diversity of types - to be able to please the widest range of customers. 2. Music volume - Anyone who has been reading what I've been harping on for years probably knows one of my biggest complaints is excessively loud music volume. I won't repeat all I've already said in the past so many times other than to say if the music is excessively loud to the point of discomfort, then even if every boy in there is my type, I'm going to quickly be out the door. 3. Mama-sans - To this day I'm still trying to figure out the necessity of some bars having mama-sans, especially the aggressive ones who try to sit down with me, uninvited, doing little more than trying to solicit drinks and tips for themselves. Many bars have no mama-sans at all and they're doing just fine without them. I can certainly do without them. I always shoo them away. And while I'm at it, why do some bar owners tolerate their mama-sans pushing only the boys who give them kickbacks when they're taken off? 4. The "One-knee Shuffle" - Oddly enough, when I go to a go-go bar, I actually want to see the go-go boys dancing. Isn't that strange? In the bars where most of the boys are just standing there on the stage, looking bored out of their minds, and doing nothing more than rocking a knee back and forth, usually while staring at themselves in a mirror, my attention span is, shall we say, limited. In other words, bye bye. 5. Drink prices and off fees - Sorry, bar owners, but I'm not going to patronize a bar charging 180 baht for a watered down drink when I can get the same drink - not watered down - at another nearby bar for half the price. And if you're going to try to charge me 400 baht on up to take a boy off, guess what - I'm not taking a boy off. Not at your bar, anyway. 6. Bar shows - That's another one I've been harping on for years. I don't like bar shows in the first place, but obviously many do. I'm not going to suggest doing away with bar shows (although I wouldn't have any objections if that happens), but I am going to suggest, yet again, to do something different in the shows. Is there a bar show anywhere that doesn't include lady-boys with breast implants lip synching . . . ? If you just must do bar shows, please - how about some genuine originality for a change. 7. Aggressive street touts - I don't mind so much the street touts shouting "Have BOY, sexy BOY, have new BOY," along with "Welcome inside Mister." But if you have street touts trying to physically pull me into your bar, I'm not going into your bar. 8. Fun - What happened to the "fun factor?" Where did it go? I often find it difficult trying to distinguish one bar from another. I think for a bar to really succeed, bar owners need to pay much more attention to making sure it's fun for the boys and fun for the customers. As far as I can tell, in Pattaya two of the very few go-go bars doing that are Happy Place and often Funny Boys. Can anyone figure out why those bars are usually packed while if you go to some of the other nearby bars, you'll probably be the only customer in there? 9. Individuality - While many like the idea of all the boys wearing precisely the same attire, unless it's a theme bar or a special theme night, my preference is letting the boys decide for themselves what they're going to wear. To me, that makes a statement and is a large part of my decision making as to whether I want to call a boy over to sit with me and/or take him off. 10. Furniture and cleanliness - Another factor for me is the furniture. Some bars have very comfortable furniture while in other bars, by the time I leave I'm also leaving with a backache. If you're going to invest in a bar, invest in some decent furniture too, willya? And while you're at it, what's so difficult about having clean, odor free restrooms? If I need to use a restroom, for some strange reason I like it a lot better if it's clean. In some bars, the restrooms are as if the last time anyone cleaned them was the day the building first opened. And is providing paper towels really such a major expense? In some bars, there is a community terrycloth towel that God only knows how long it's been there and what was on the hands of those who used it before it was my turn. No thank you. With those kinds of towels, I think you're better off just drip drying. For some bar owners, here's a new word for you: Sanitary. If anyone out there is seriously considering opening a bar, I hope you'll give consideration to those factors. If you do, again speaking only for myself, I'll be much more likely to be a customer of yours rather than spending my money elsewhere.

"He was so old, when he was in school they didn't have History." - Rodney Dangerfield

That one is probably right. That sounds like something I would say and although it sounds very familiar, I can't remember whether I actually said that or not. Something I know I said, because I've said it many times and still do: "When I was young my grandfather took me aside and said, 'The best grandfatherly advice I can give you is - don't get old.' I should have listened." Here's another one I like: "I'm not afraid. At my age there's not a lot left to be afraid of." - Helen Hayes (Ada Quonsett), 'Airport'

The guy is on my "I Don't Get It" list. He's in Thailand trying to hide from serious felony charges in his home country, the kind that will cause the embassy to go after you and the kind that causes Immigration to revoke your visa and deport you without so much as a hearing, so he buys a bar and remains conspicuously visible?

Thank you for that, but I hope this thread will stay focused on Pattayamale's idea about starting a new board. That's what I thought this thread is supposed to be about. I doubt anyone is going to come up with anything new in their attacks directed at me that hasn't already been said a million times anyway. I would suggest keeping this thread on topic and let those who want to turn it into an "I Hate Gaybutton" thread simply start a new topic and post their attacks there.

Especially posts such as yours. I'm glad to see we're not going to use one board to criticize another. Is that so? Pray tell, on which board is Pattayamale a moderator? I must have missed it.

So far they haven't. How long should 'eventually' take? I've been posting about the excessively loud music for years. In that time I don't recall seeing more than a very few responses saying "I like the loud music." The vast majority of responses have always been that customers don't like it any better than I do. Next logical question: Who's the loud music for? The most common answer is "The boys like it." I never see anyone questioning that. Maybe you should. Have you ever asked the boys if they really do like the overly loud music? Many don't. I've spoken to many boys who also dislike music as loud as that. It's one thing when they go to a disco for a few hours of fun, but it's quite another when they have to work in that kind of environment every night. Some have quit working in the bars that play the music too loudly after they go home enough times with their ears pounding and suffering from headaches nearly every night. Some stopped being go-go boys and started working outside as doormen, apparently preferring to spend their working hours calling out "Welcome inside, Mister. Have BOY, sexy BOY" instead of going deaf. I too think the particular bar that spent a lot of money on a high quality sound system made a mistake by doing so. Unless a lot of customers were asking for a higher quality sound system, what purpose was served? Are you attracted to go-go bars because of the music system? Is the music system even a factor for you when deciding which go-go bars to patronize? Speaking only for myself, when I'm in a go-go bar, I'm there because of the boys and I couldn't care less about the sound quality. I don't even pay attention to it. For me, the music is there for the boys to have something to dance to - when they're actually dancing instead of standing there doing the "One Knee Shuffle." Whether it's dancing or the "One Knee Shuffle," neither requires excessively loud music. The only bar owner ever to post a response saying he is listening to his customers and will turn down the volume was Krazy Dragon. As for the rest of the bar owners, I don't understand what the problem is about keeping the volume at a reasonable level. For me, if I can at least talk to the person sitting next to me without having to shout or talk to the waiter taking my order, that's loud enough. No matter how fabulous the bar might be, if my ears are being tortured I'm not staying and I'm not coming back. I hope the bar owners finally start listening - that is if they can still hear . . .

Yes, come on. There is no flooding at all anywhere in Pattaya where you're likely to be. Bring an umbrella with you and you should be fine. And if the weather pattern doesn't unexpectedly change, most of the time you probably won't even need the umbrella.

I would have replied to him with, "I know you feel. The same thing happened to me. I'm on Gay Romeo trying to find someone to help me with money too."

"My compliments to the general. Please inform him I do not care to drink with him, or any other Russian son of a bitch." - George C. Scott, 'Patton'

It took me a few tries to figure it out too. I finally did, but I won't post it because I don't want to spoil it for others. I've sent you a PM just so you know I really did figure it out.

There is only one man - one true statesman - the man destined to lead the USA out of this mess:

Well, at least we agree on that part . . .

No, he didn't. He said he is not in Pattaya. That doesn't mean he's not in Thailand. It also doesn't mean he was not in Pattaya the night this happened. But no matter where he was, for me the issue is not the fact the bar was closed. That could have happened for any number of reasons. And I don't agree that it's a "little thing" that ought to be water under the bridge and forgotten. My problem with this is not that the bar was closed. My problem is the lack of response afterward. I'm sorry, but when people respond to an ad, but the venue is closed and no explanation comes in a timely manner, maybe it's just a little insignificant thing to you, but to me it's no little thing and if he expects people to be attracted to his bar via ads in the future, then it also isn't a little thing for him. And I repeat - if you had come down from Bangkok for the purpose of going to this bar in response to the ad, I don't think you'd be calling it a little thing either. I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but I really do think if a venue posts an ad and then doesn't live up to it, then that venue needs to explain why and needs to do that right away, not only for the sake of customer service, but for the sake of his own credibility. By the way, according to his current ads, there will be another "thong night" tomorrow (Friday). I plan to be there. I have a feeling this time the bar will be open . . .

For the record, there was no requirement for bars to close that night. None were even asked to close. All the bars were allowed to open and serve alcohol. Some bars voluntarily chose to close - the Mor Lam concert also took place that night. YaYa bar had posted a notice on the boards that his bar would be closed. I don't understand why you did not do the same since you had advertised for that night or why you waited until nearly a week later to respond to the complaints. I agree with Michael that it is good business practice to offer some sort of compensation to those who went to your bar in response to your ad, which I'm guessing is the reason why you asked for a PM from people who went, but in my opinion that in itself does not excuse the fact that nearly a week went by before saying anything about it. That aspect of it is not my idea of good business practice. My feeling is it would have been much better business practice to, on the same day, have posted something about it on the boards on which you advertised and also to have taken the time to go over to your bar and placed some sort of explanatory notice on the bar door so people who went would at least have understood why this happened. However, I'm one of the people who tried to go to your bar that night and I have sent you the PM you requested.

That's very good. Are you planning to start doing that any time soon . . . ?