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No one on my board asked about whether there are moderators. That question about moderators was asked on this board. Does the fact that I have a board disqualify me, as a board member here, to ask if this board has moderators? The answer to your question is there are no moderators on my board and there never has been any other than me. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Have I committed some sort of crime by asking whether this board uses moderators anymore? Why are you making a federal case out of a perfectly innocent question? I don't even care whether this board has moderators or not. I'm just curious. What's your problem about that? The answer to my question is a simple yes or no, and quite frankly I don't really care whether that question gets an answer or not.

I didn't know I was opening a can of worms. I guess the way I should have asked was, aside from Scooby, does this board still have moderators? There used to be several. Now I'm curious if this board still uses moderators. I don't give a shit who they are either. Anonymous screen names don't mean anything to me. But when a topic appears titled 'Where are the moderators.' I don't see anything inappropriate about asking if there even are moderators anymore at all. If anyone really wants to get angry with me for that, be my guest. As for who they are, I don't suppose anyone noticed that at the bottom of the main forum page there is a link to "The Moderating Team" and that lists the screen names of the moderators. Anybody who wants to can see it. I was merely wondering whether anyone other than Scooby is actually moderating this board. As z909 posted, the last time any of the listed moderators, other than Scooby, even read this board was September of 2013. Meanwhile, the question as to whether this board still has moderators is a question for Scooby, no one else, to address - unless, of course, you happen to be a moderator on this board.

I think the wrong question is being asked. Instead of "Where are the moderators?", my question would be "Who are the moderators?" I know there used to be moderators, but currently the only moderator I know about is Scooby himself. Are there others?

You still don't seem to get it - I already said I'm not going to answer those kinds of ridiculous questions. Try all you want. Those kinds of questions will be duly ignored. Whatever I am, one thing I am not is your 'darling.' My sympathies to anyone who is. I'm done with this topic and for sure done with you.

Are you kidding me? You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think I overreacted at all and I find those remarks highly insulting. I think my reaction was perfectly appropriate. I'm surprised to see you actually being supportive of those remarks. I'm still waiting to see a reason why those remarks were posted in the first place. I see no excuse for it.

Arfe you actually trying to justify your post? You're not going to get to ask loaded questions to me and think you're going to get me to respond to them. Your entire post was uncalled for and insulting and so is the post above. Go ahead - explain to us how you can possibily know how any of us got our money and why you're so obviously jealous of it. While you're at it, explain why you posted that totally unprovoked nonsense in the first place.

What's with the insulting remarks? Until this post, I thought you were a decent guy. Apparently I thought wrong. I'm a pensioner. Am I supposed to be ashamed of that? How do you think I got it? I earned it - from many years of hard work and long hours. In my life nobody gave me a damned thing. I worked for what I have and so did most of the rest of us living here. Your 5 weeks of holidays is a lot more than many living here ever got. People responding to your message on this topic did so to try to help you and this is how you respond? I'll leave it at that and resist the urge to say the rest of what ought to be said to you - I don't want my post to end up deleted.

If he has no steady, high paying job and is not enrolled in a university, then as far as I can tell there is only one way to show the required papers - you would have to fabricate them somehow and lie about it. That is not what I would call a good idea. Doing that would mean you would have to commit a crime - fraud, perhaps forgery as well. You would also be placing him at risk of facing criminal charges. I don't know what the penalties would be if you get caught, but whatever they are, I wouldn't want to face them or have to explain my actions to a judge. Do you really think taking that kind of risk for the sake of a holiday is worth it? Do you think immigration officials, people who deal with visa applicants all day, every day, are stupid? Best tip I can think of to give you - forget it, at least until your friend is able to obtain a visa honestly and legitimately. If you want a holiday with the boy, take him to holiday destinations within Thailand. Maybe both he and you would be disappointed in being unable to have a holiday together in Europe, but a good holiday in Thailand would beat hell out of a potential holiday in Klong Prem. Dinner time at Klong Prem

"I know it is not possible, but does it not delight your imagination?" - Hugh Grifith (Sheik Ilderim), 'Ben Hur'

For me, getting even would be loads of enjoyment. You know what I would do? Next trip, return to the bar, call him over, and tell him you're taking him off. Wait until he changes into his street clothes and then tell him, "Sorry, I'm taking that boy off instead."

Obviously it happened. The question is why did it happen? The only thing that makes even remote sense to me would be he knew he would be getting much more money from the other customer. It was an entirely wrong thing for him to do. As I said, for me anyway, a boy accepting an off and then rejecting it in favor of another customer is unheard of - until now. What he should have done, no matter what his reason, was to tell the other customer he has already accepted an off and he'll be available tomorrow. I suppose you have your reasons why you bought him drinks days later and are considering taking him off (or at least trying to take him off), but if he had done that to me, he would have had top billing on my "Never Again" list.

That's possible and if that's what he did, it doesn't make much sense. This is the first time I've ever heard of a boy accepting an off and then saying sorry, I have to go with someone else. Your guess is as good as mine as to why he did that. If he did have greener pastures in mind, then it seems like it was a customer he's gone with before and gave him a lot of money. Unless you told him how much you were going to give him, how would he have any idea how much you might have given him? Either way, once a boy commits to an off, whether another customer wants him or not he's still supposed to go with the person with whom he accepted the off. For me, that's a new one.

I believe in some bars it used to be like that, but I also believe that's a thing of the past. I don't think the bars, with the possible exception of a very few, do that anymore. I base that on having witnessed boys refusing an off and I've also had boys tell me they won't go with someone who is excessively drunk or is behaving like some kind of nut. In other words, for the boys I believe it's an "up to you" whether they go with a customer. The boys also know most of the bars are in need of more boys. If someone is trying to pressure them into going off with someone they don't want to go with, the easiest thing in the world for them would be to switch to another bar. Also, many boys are freelancers, meaning they're not actually employed by the bar, but work in the bar just to try to get an off. As I understand it, some bars don't pay freelancers at all. Some give them about 100 baht on nights they show up to work. I don't think there is any particular standard to how it works. The point is freelancers are under no pressure at all. I know one boy who has a regular job, but occasionally dances in the go-go bars when he wants to try to supplement his income a little bit. I wish one of the boys who showed up at my house yesterday was one of them. I had a plumbing problem caused by the city water company's equipment. A team of 3 workers was sent over to repair the problem. One of them was my idea of wow! Unfortunately for me, when I was chatting with him it turns out he is married and has two daughters. He didn't set off my gaydar at all. Damn!

As far as I'm concerned, I couldn't care less who they prefer or what age group they prefer. I've never even asked any of them. If they're with me, they're with me by their own choice. Nobody is twisting their arms or holding a gun to their heads. Whether it's for money and/or other reasons, it makes no difference to me. I have a good time with the boys I see and they seem to have a good time with me. If I ask them to come again, they always are happy to come again. Often, they call me to ask if they can come. What else really matters?

Absolutely right. Not only that, but even plenty of money boys are also interested in each other. Does anyone really think the first time these boys ever had sex it was with a farang, especially an aging farang, and they never had sex with anyone until they started working in the bars? Even more ridiculous.

If they are speaking only for themselves, then they have no reason to lie unless it's a money boy telling you what he thinks you want to hear. Don't forget, not every gay or bisexual Thai boy in the whole country works in the bars or comes into contact with farang. There are certainly plenty who don't work in the bars, have never seen the bars, and live in areas where if they even see farang, it's unusual. Who, then, are they into? Seems to me they are either into other Thais or they abstain from sex. Which do you think it is? I'm not going to get into the "It's all about money" debate. That has been discussed on the boards more times over the years than Carter's has Little Liver Pills. You either believe that's the case or you don't. Nothing anyone says is going to change already made up minds. I'll leave that aspect of it to you gents.

Yes. Don't feel bad. When I first heard the term, it took me some time to figure out what the hell a "roundabout" is. "The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language." - George Bernard Shaw

Now that people are asking about foam mattresses, I'll look for them when I'm out and about. If I spot them somewhere, I'll post where and the price - but on a new topic. I don't want to hijack this one . . .

A foam mattress? I don't know what use I would have for a foam mattress. I've never looked for one. So I'm sorry, but I don't know where to buy one. But if I were looking for one I know where I'd start - Index Furniture - on Sukhumvit, just north of Pattaya Klang - northbound lane.

Why not? Most of Bangkok's go-go bars are in the same general area. You could easily walk in, take a look around, and if you don't like what you see, just walk right back out again. Don't you do that anyway?

Absolutely right. Not only that, but I like to judge for myself as to how attractive the boys are. I see too many posts saying good looking boys are in this bar and not in that bar. Wrong. Doesn't it occur to those posters that not everyone has the same ideas as to what constitutes good looking? I'll decide for myself, thank you very much. And the only way I know to do that is to do exactly what firecat69 says - go to the bars and see for yourself. Do any of you really avoid certain bars because someone else said the boys are not attractive?

I too thought your post was excellent. As for the part I quoted, the owner, Raimond, is there every night. If the boy ordered a drink without your permission, you would have been well served to inform Raimond. Knowing him, I believe he would have removed the drink from your bill and later would have had a little 'chat' with the boy who did that - and that behavior would not be repeated. If he has boys doing that, he needs to know it. That's the kind of behavior that drives customers away. And you saw for yourself - the Sunee Plaza bars can ill afford to be driving customers away these days. It's one thing if you order a "drink for boy," but the boys don't get to order their own drink without the customer's permission - in any bar - especially if he plopped himself down with you uninvited. You don't have to put up with that.

Since you say you're going to be in Pattaya for 2 days, assuming your primary purpose in coming to Pattaya is the boys, I too would recommend staying in the Boyztown or Sunee Plaza area. You'll be right where the boys are and on a 2 day trip, most likely you'll be looking for boys in the go-go bars. And when you find them, you'll be a few steps from your hotel room. Where boys are concerned, you might as well forget about the beach. For whatever reasons, the boys don't go to the beach anymore. When you spend your time at the beach, if you see more than 1 or 2 available boys - other than boys who were dragged to the beach by a farang - let me know. A few days ago when I was entering Jomtien Complex, I ran into Rit, of Rit's Beach. Naturally he asked why he hasn't seen me at the beach for ages. I gave him an honest answer. I said, "If the boys come back, I'll come back." You mentioned you would have to take your stuff to the beach. How much stuff is that? Other than maybe a towel and perhaps a tablet or a book, what else do you need to take to the beach? On the other hand, if you change your mind and intend to spend your 2 evenings in Jomtien Complex rather than the Boyztown or Sunee Plaza go-go bars, then you would be better off staying in the beach area. There are plenty of places to stay in Jomtien Complex - with The Venue, Ganymede, and East Suites being the most popular.

I agree. I have seen exceptions where such relationships did work and work well, but those are rare and the odds are certainly against it - especially if the farang starts trying to control the boy's life. I've seen a great many more unhappy breakups than success stories. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but based on what I've seen over the years, the safest way to avoid heartbreak, jealousy, disillusionment, and a much lighter bank account is to adhere to what I call The Richard Burk Philosophy. Many years ago Richard gave me this advice: "If you want love in Thailand, rent it."

Consider your words duly marked. My experience is when it comes to boys seeking money, they don't give a damn if you're 160 as long as your wallet is open.