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If you're looking for a less expensive place in Chiang Mai, I like Come-On Place. It's a garden room setting, with surprisingly large rooms, the quality of which would be about what you would expect at Howard's. It's gay owned and gay staffed. There are no problems about bringing someone to your room. It's 800 baht per night. They do have breakfast, but I didn't like it. http://www.comeonplace.net

That's just one among many attributes that I find so attractive about Thai boys. Most of them are quite smooth and when they get older they stay that way.

The following appears on E-Online: _____ Pernell Roberts, Star of TV's Bonanza, Trapper John M.D., Dead Pernell Roberts, who became a small-screen staple as Adam Cartwright in Bonanza and later as the title character in the M*A*S*H spinoff Trapper John, M.D., has died. He was 81. His wife, Eleanor Criswell, told the Los Angeles Times that Roberts passed away Sunday at the couple's home in Malibu after losing a battle with cancer. Funeral services were set for today. Born May 18, 1928, in Georgia, Roberts served in the Marines before getting the acting bug. He won a Drama Desk Award in 1955 for an off-Broadway version of Macbeth and then had a few TV appearances before landing his career-making role of the eldest Cartwright boy on NBC's Bonanza, one of TV's all-time most popular Westerns. The show even allowed Roberts to show off his vocal chops, with him recording a series of folk tunes that were later included on the Bonanza box set. Roberts exited the Ponderosa after six seasons following a dispute with producers. He bounced around as a guest star on some of the biggest shows of the 1970s (Mission: Impossible, The Odd Couple, The Hardy Boys) before scoring a second-act success as the affable lead in CBS' Trapper John, M.D. He took over the role played on the M*A*S*H TV series by Wayne Rogers

Why is it that so many men have no problem growing hair everywhere else on their bodies, but can't grow it on the one place they want it most . . . on top of their heads? I too prefer smooth rather than hairy, but there have been occasional exceptions. "Oh, I don't like Gauls. Hairy!" - Peter Ustinov, 'Spartacus'

Don't be. I'm glad you started this thread. You probably saved many from experiencing similar losses. Yes, for 20 years you have been fortunate, but then it finally happened. A 30,000 baht telephone is an expensive item to lose to theft by anyone's standards, not to mention the additional 30,000 baht replacement cost. If you are wealthy enough to consider that a minor loss, congratulations, but I think most of us would consider it to be much more than a minor loss. Others are starting to post about their own experiences now, including those who were confident they could trust the boy based on longevity of their relationship without ever having had a problem. The whole point of this thread is to remind people not to assume that you know any of these boys well enough to fully trust that he won't give into temptation. Firecat69 was lucky that all he lost was a telephone. I think most of us who have been on these message boards for any length of time are fully aware of some of the real horror stories that sometimes occur in which the farang victim suffered serious major losses. The sad part is that so many of these kinds of losses are easily preventable if you simply take common sense precautions and abandon the assumption that the boy you are currently with won't steal from you if he gets the chance.

That's great if your place happens to have a security guard. Whether there is a security guard or not, your first line of defense is yourself. It's nice if there is a security guard and the boy can leave his ID card with him, but ultimately it's everyone's responsibility to take their own precautions.

Ex-Panama Dictator Loses High Court Appeal By Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer January 25, 2010 Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday turned away the imprisoned former leader of Panama in his effort to fight pending extradition to France to face money-laundering charges. The justices were Gen. Manuel Antonio Noriega's last legal hope, and their refusal to intervene likely clears the way for his overseas transfer. The onetime dictator of the Central American nation remains behind bars in a federal prison in Miami, Florida. He had been scheduled for release two years ago after his 1992 conviction on cocaine trafficking, racketeering and money-laundering charges, but France also has sought to try him on similar charges in that country. Noriega's attorneys argued that under international law, his status as a prisoner of war should mean he can immediately return home to Panama or another country. Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia dissented from the court's decision to stay out of the Noriega case. A federal appeals court in Atlanta, Georgia, six months ago refused his petition for habeas corpus, noting a 2006 federal law does not allow Noriega to invoke the Geneva Conventions "as a source of rights" to demand his release from custody. Those treaties deal in part with repatriation of POWs after hostilities end. Representing the 73-year-old Noriega, attorneys Frank Rubino and Jonathan May said that lower court ruling "undermines protections that apply not only to prisoners of war in the United States but to our own men and women who find themselves prisoners of war of other nations." U.S. forces removed the ex-dictator from office during Operation Nifty Package, the 1989 invasion of Panama. Noriega had fled his offices and tried to seek sanctuary in the Vatican Embassy in Panama City. U.S. troops set up large speakers around the compound, blaring music at all hours, a psychological ploy to rattle the general. He eventually surrendered on January 3, 1990, and was quickly escorted to the United States for civilian trial. After his drug conviction, Noriega was given POW status. His federal sentence, originally for 30 years, ended in September 2007 after time off for good behavior. But months earlier, the United States agreed to send Noriega to France. The Justice Department had ordered him held pending the resolution of his appeals. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 prohibits anyone -- including U.S. citizens -- from going to federal courts and using treaties to secure their release or to block an extradition. The final decision on when Noriega leaves the United States will rest with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Panama also has sought their former leader's extradition, but the United States has not honored that request.

I think we're getting caught up in an irrelevant tangent here. The point of this thread is not to determine the difference between a genuine and counterfeit telephone. The fact that this incident even involved a telephone is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what was stolen. The point, I believe, Firecat69 is trying to make is that you need to take precautions against theft of any kinds of valuables, even with boys you have come to trust. When you become complacent, you also become a potential victim. That's the point of this thread, isn't it? If you want to have a discussion about telephones and what is or is not genuine, I suggest starting a thread devoted to that subject.

Closer to where? The way you said that reminds me of a movie scene, a Western starring John Wayne and Kirk Douglas. They leave a bar together and are suddenly ambushed by two 'bad guys.' They each draw their guns and bye bye bad guys. Upon successfully gunning them down, Kirk Douglas proudly turns to John Wayne: Kirk Douglas: "Mine hit the ground first." John Wayne: "Mine was taller." - The War Wagon

I am very sorry and quite shocked at this news. I knew Martin casually and I had no idea he was ill. He was quite a unique personality and the kind of person you couldn't help but really like. This is very sad news.

"I came for the waters." -Humphrey Bogart, 'Casablanca'

I've used this quote before and now I'll repeat it: Mallory: "You don't trust anyone, do you?" Stavros: "That is why I have lived so long." - Gregory Peck and Anthony Quinn, 'The Guns of Navarone' I'm sorry that happened. For years I have been trying to convince people not to leave anything of value where it can be a temptation. Sooner or later it will be gone and people become especially vulnerable once a boy gains their trust. I'm sorry that you had to learn the hard way, but many of us have been there, believe me. At least you didn't lose something that can't be replaced. That boy must have come with the intention of stealing your phone. If he came with a look-alike and pulled the old switcheroo, then he must have known what kind of phone you have, what it looked like, and was sure he would be able to have access to it since he clearly prepared in advance to steal it. I'm surprised he was that clever. In a negative way, I almost have to admire his ingenuity. Don't tell us his Gay Romeo user name. I think it's better not to know. That way, people are likely to be much more cautious if they meet a boy and have to wonder 'was he the one?'

I don't see how what I wrote can be interpreted as such. I don't see how the merits of Pattaya figure into this thread at all. This thread has nothing to do with the reasons people come to Pattaya. This thread is about where to find sex with Caucasian guys in Bangkok. Am I wrong about that? "Where can my friend find white guys for rent in Bangkok?" That's the initial post on this thread. How does my response have anything to do with the reasons why people come to Pattaya? In the post you quoted I didn't even mention Pattaya. As a matter of fact, I was trying to get back on the subject, which is where to find rent boys in Bangkok.

No, sorry, it doesn't. You can pay for sex in Eastern European countries, among others, just as readily as you can pay for it in Thailand. There are just as many boys on Gay Romeo who are available, for a fee of course, in those countries as you'll find in Thailand. The only serious difference I can see is the price. There is one other way to find willing Caucasian (and/or Indian) guys in Thailand. So far nobody has mentioned asking the people who probably know more about it than anyone else . . . the mama-sans in the bars. I'll bet experienced mama-sans can hook you up in less than an hour, for a fee. And don't exclude trying the mama-sans in the girlie bars as well. If Caucasian boys are available, the mama-sans, especially the experienced ones who have been "in the game" for a good length of time, are very likely to know just who to contact and I'll also bet that nobody reading this who asks will be the first person who ever asked.

I've heard, but never checked, that some Russian rent boys operate out of Walking Street. Just where to look on Walking Street, I don't know. I understand that your friend likes both Caucasians and Asians, but some people are looking for exclusively Caucasians. They come to Thailand, have little or no interest in Asians, and they're looking for Caucasians. Those are the guys on my "I Don't Get It" list.

Well, just in case the bars wish to make that voluntary on the part of the individual boys, I know where there are some barber shops . . .

Yep. Gay Romeo.

Why not just go ahead and post whatever information you have about this sauna? That way we'll all have it. In Khorat you might want to go to the central canal that surrounds the Suranaree monument. That's a fairly decent cruise area, but check the IDs of any boys that interest you. Many are under-age. Also, have a look at this link. Apparently it's a brand new gay bar that's only been open a couple of days so far. It's a unique idea. Downstairs it's a girlie bar. Upstairs it's a gay bar. I think we all would love to have any information we can get: http://www.koratmap.com/en/forum/7-Nightlife/521-Gay-bar-in-Korat-and-New-slender....html

I disagree. Guilt doesn't control you. You control you. Based on what I wrote above, you felt guilt because that's what you decided to feel despite the fact that you had no reason to feel guilty. You also have this hangup about people looking at you. Why? Why should you care whether people are looking at you or not? And how do you even know they are looking at you or that they give a damn in the first place even if they are looking at you?

Some may remember Dr. William Glasser, who in the 1970's was popular with his "Reality Therapy." One of his basic concepts was that people literally choose their feelings, especially when it comes to guilt feelings. I attended one of his lectures and I clearly remember him saying that guilt applies only if you have intentionally done something to harm someone else. Then you can feel guilty. But when it comes to other situations, especially situations you did not initiate, then there really is no reason for guilt to apply. Back in Florida, a very close friend was, and still is, a well known clinical psychologist. He told me that he gets more business because of guilt feelings than from all the other psychological problems people experience combined. His quote was, "Guilt is bullshit." He often talked about the difference between feeling sorry for someone and feeling guilt. His position was that feeling sorry for someone is ok, but it is not the same as guilt. He said that as soon as people let feeling sorry turn into feeling guilty, now you have placed yourself in the position of taking responsibility. I think a good example of what he meant applies in Thailand when a boy asks you for help paying for his room. "I not have money for pay room." If you feel sorry for him, that's one thing. But if you refuse his plea for help and he really does lose his room, then you might feel that it was somehow your fault because you could have helped him, but didn't. That's when guilt feelings really get to many people and it can be a very difficult feeling to reconcile. Then, the next time a boy asks for help, now you fork over not because you truly wanted to, but mainly to avoid going through the guilt feelings again. It can be very difficult for many to deal with that. You don't have anything to feel guilty about because you did not create his problems or situation. You have to remember that you are not the one responsible for his life. He is responsible for his own life.

That's definitely the truth! I think one of the mistakes that farang bar owners have made when trying to run a bar in Pattaya is they first opened the bar and only then did they start really finding out just what had gotten themselves into. I think another mistake was when farang would open a bar, but entrust a Thai guy, even experienced ones, to run it for them. It just doesn't work that way. The successful farang bar owners are the ones who truly knew what they were doing and made sure all bases were covered. And even then there were several eventual failures. In other words, I would not recommend getting into it unless you can afford to lose the whole kit and caboodle.

Now that you've explained it, yes, I see those as good ideas too.

That is true. As I mentioned on another thread, it does take more time and experience for many to learn what goes on here and how to deal with it. It's all a question of learning how to play the game. The boys have been playing it a long time. Their easiest targets, of course, are the newbies who have never played it. That's not to say they boys don't legitimately need all the money they can get, but often they're going to have to get it from someone else, especially if I feel that I've already done my share. Also, I think a factor is what the boy has or has not done to merit more from my wallet. I'm not an ATM and I'm not a charity and I'm not a benefactor. To me, if a boy wants money from me, then my first thought is what has he done to deserve it? "They make their money the old fashioned way. They earn it." - John Houseman, Smith-Barney commercial

Now let's see. What could that be? Perhaps a certain former President standing naked outdoors in Vermont in February?

Would you mind explaining that one? Why would a bar want to provide that kind of service? Better still, why would you want it? I can just hear the street touts now. "Have BOY, sexy BOY! Have new BOY! Have WAX! Welcome inside mister for WAX!" "Waiter, a gin and tonic and a wax job, please. While I'm at it, can I get my pubic hair streaked? Nothing fancy, just frost my bush. I think that can make me look very sexy."