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I have to say this, there is an old custom among those who visit the bars of Bangkok and Pattaya that would be well adopted here: if you sit with a bar boy and talk to him for 10 minutes or so; regardless of whether you have touched him, kissed him, fondled him - let alone, engaged in oral sex you MUST tip him. They are sex workers and you know that. I can't believe this is an issue that needs to be discussed. It is not an issue of being a "noble sex tourist " ( why you would want to be otherwise is a mystery ) but of simple good manners and decency.

personally, just my opinion but telling an American citizen where I can or can't go when there is no war on is sufficient grounds to impeach any of these presidents for simple tyranny. This whole Cuba thing gets so tiresome. I l live in South Florida and I understand the distress of Cubans who fled Castro, who lost everything. Yes, I get it; but if telling me what to do and where I can go is your understanding of liberty then it is faulty.

I have always been single. My long term relationships have always been simple maintenance for Dominican guys I've wanted to be with . However, I have to mention one part of this thread: "Can you imagine how hot a threesome would be with Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore?" Demi Moore???? She would be a woman so no I absolutely can't imagine it as I would run. Some indignities are not worth even Kutchner's bod

exactly Bugarrone is hustler and Sanky is a gigolo - neither is a word you use with someone you want to spend time with. I only bring this up again to make it crystal clear to NOT ask anyone if they are either.

BY the way, in the bar iformation: Gallery is closed. G lounge was incorporated into Fogo so it is no more. Bar Friends is not always open it is gasping for live and opens when there are enough tourists in town.

I have not met him but the information is mostly sound but not perfect. 1. The DR is NOT in the middle of the Carribean. I get so tired of American weather people who say that the Bahamas are in the Caribbean. NO, they are in the Atlantic and the Arc of the greater and lesser Antilles divide the Atlantic from the Caribbean. Puerto Plata is on the Atlantic, Santo Domingo is on the Caribbean. Jamaica is, actually, entirely in the Caribbean. Granted, it's a very common error. 2. There is a public party beach in Santo Domingo called Guibia it is on the western ed of the Malecon Blvd. It is not a lush tourist beach, almost totally locals but it exists. 3. The hair thin differences between Bugarron ad Sake-Panky is usually restricted to sociology texts. My advice is to Never use either term - he's your amigo - pure and simple. God's sake don't use the term with a guy your interested in. 4. Finally, I gather that Casa Sanchez is a big advertising source and it is a nice place - Adam Suites is a desperate dump run by an expat Cuban America with grandiose dreams that have never materialized.

As I said, tiresome

I was, briefly, tempted to revisit the Dominican reality of how they view the many shades of brown to black that make up the melange of their society. But, it would be pointless and tiresome.

Personally, when I'm in London again I shall rejoice that safe sex practices are still in force. I am protected when the boys are protected.

@NoGagSuckerSF I want to echo "when in Rome". I was fortunate in that my work took me around the world many times: Europe, the Middle East and Israel, South Africa and South America and countless times to Asia. Any gay man, at least those on this forum, would have a wonderful time in the secluded, well mannered bars of Tokyo - but not in your leather getup and pads. You have to adapt to the place and time. Bangkok? They would giggle, hide their faces ad try not to run. Cape Town? Someone will kick your ass. I have not been to San Francisco in some 8 years and ca't really comment. South of Market and the fair may still be a place to array yourself in kneepads and accoutrements -I leave that to others. Santo Domingo? You won't scare them but you will be an oddity to say the least. You will get farther and much better if you leave the fetish outfits at home, blend in, respect the machismo and learn that respecting other cultures means letting go of some of yours. I'm sorry if this offends you as my advice is well intentioned. One can't travel the world with a fixed set of unadaptive requirements and expect to be embraced. The "dicks" you seek are, from Moscow to Tel Aviv, attached to living, acculturated human beings and you should accept them for what they are and not try to impose your own peculiarities on them.

I think the salient point is that you can travel, by plane and rent a place, regardless of your actual salary you are far ahead of him. Reasonable generosity should be the hallmark of the decent traveler. Myself? I'm generous but I , mostly, Confine my activities to a few who I know and who stay with me - thus my bargain comes from 24 hour companionship for the price, slightly above, the average hour service job. But, I've committed to long term. So, my friend does well and is content as at the end of a week is compensation is 7 to 10 times what the by hour worker can make.

I know I'm starting a fight here and will not, under any circumstances reply, but these prices are wildly inflated. Just incredible do not believe this.

I don't recall the cost. It is far less than the US and the standards are very high. Honestly, before I'd get on a dehydrating flight and put up with airport fuss and bother I would stop there and get some help - they can provide antibiotics as well as anyone. I have joined a growing list of American dental tourists - There are groups of well trained dentists whose business is Americans who come down for their services. You can search online, I've encountered visitors with their luggage in the waiting room. I checked Mamey, I'd honestly forgotten about it. A very charming place - a lunch or coffee place with a boyfriend that you're cultivating.

I have not seen Freddy in years. I have to make a point of contacting him, if only for old time's sake, he was always a reasonably trustworthy guy. The first time I read that he had a "specialty" I was doubtful. These gentlemen are not dedicated organic farmers - they try to get what you want. They don't care as long as they get a tip and/or a cut for their services. I always used him as a driver he was reliably outside the gay bars ready to take you to the hotel or get you safely to and from the Penthouse in the good old "bad" days.

On Independencia, not far from the start of the Colonial zone, is a very well regarded place called the Clinica Abreau - sort of a small private hospital - it is very well regarded by expats and the diplomatic corps as well as upper class Dominicans. I'm not attempting a diagnosis here but on the way to becoming an "old hand" anywhere in the developing world you will go through a bout of this and grow your own defensive gut bacteria. Often, the cause, is not the regular food but that salad you had with greens washed in local water. By the way, I hate to admit this but where is Cafe Mamey? I'm unfamiliar with it

@Riobard, with reference to me I have no idea what you are talking about. The entirety of my posts in this thread have been to to ask, politely, that Badboy reconsider comparing different types/ethnicities of guys with a qualitative value. your "How the fuck do you know I am implicated in letting ride contributions that reinforce endowment stereotypes stratified ethnically. " is beyond my understanding. I do not know and I did not say or imply that in any way. I reacted only to batboys's remark - quoted above - if you can tell me were it is that you think I brought you into this discussion I will apologize. I was not talking about endowment. I was talking about aesthetics and personal tastes having nothing to do with the "value" or "worth" of one's choice of partner.

Is it possible that you can't read your own words quoted in extract above? This is beyond absurd.

Thanks! It's a relief, Trump is covered !

I had not idea, thanks. I never heard the original - do you have the source?

What was that about " God loves drunks and the United States" as why stupidity sometimes works out, if not for the best, then harmlessly. I take it as a dire warning that Trump does not drink and God has few other reasons to love him. Good article.

Just to be sure I don't get misquoted. This is a separate one of your posts. You have a right to your own opinion but when you make you owing. For Gos's sake it's a common enough comparison - one I don't think should be made. Again - my taste is my taste but it is not my "good" taste overrides and lessens yours. Just admit you said it. In another post you said just "go to Thailand" Yes, it is vastly safer - VASTLY!!! But that was a separate posting. If you think I'm wrong and your point was somewhat different, fine. But don't create the illusion that I was quoting thin air.

"Asian twinks don't compare to Cariocas and there will be more for ME...." So, you were "NOT Period" comparing Asian Twink to Cariocas when YOU WROTE this ???????????????????????? just take ownership of your own writings and not try to twist the truth or denial what is in black and white.

Yes you missed one of his multiple posts. He compared, unfavorably the looks of the workers in Thailand vis Rio. Go back and check

@Badboy81 Hey, I agree with your point. But, could we be a bit less aggressive about "old men" . I agree there are those who simply belong in Thailand where I have been more than 30 times. Yet, we love Rio guys and I , for example, have a boy friend in Santo Domingo who is no tiny Twink - we all have differing tastes - sauna workers in Rio are NOT better than such works in Bangkok - they are different and there does not have to be a qualitative judgement. I know you meant well but "my lovely" choice is not "your ugly" choice.

Sadly, in my experience, those who find need to point out that they are superior seldom are.