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Please elaborate how the photos differed from your memory. Less bars/boys/farangs in photos than in your memory?

How did it become a gay beach? Was it a local government planning decision: "This section will be the gay beach, we give licenses for gay businesses there and another section we do for families with children"? Or is it just naturual segregation? Gays group together and non-gays group together and that is how this gay beach came into being? Like we see in many cities where you have China towns and neighboorhouds were for example many Turks live. Not because of government policy (you are not forbidden to buy a house in China town) but because of that is just how human beings naturally group themselves. So how was it with this beach? How it became the gay beach? Deliberate policy? Or natural segregation?

I don't see these opportunities. If you have only highschool in Thailand (which many boys from Isan have; their families can't afford further education) you can forget about getting a descently paid job. Being moneyboy gives you maybe 4 times as much income than any of the other jobs you can choose from.

No, sorry.

I did it last year. There is a shop in the main soi of Jomtien complex, but halfway you have to go up the stairs. And then you see it.

I wonder how the maker could be so far off. Or was the decision to demolish the soi now, really so last minute that even people who should be in the known (bar owners) really though it would go on for 6 more years? Or was this sign a deliberate lie?

But why not just show the boys ID card or passport? It is also for your own protection. Boy can't get card back until you confirm all is OK.

Vinapu, you mention here Oasis restaurant. You had mentioned it before in another thread as one of your go to restaurants for Thai food. I had written this tip for a restaurant down. And planned to go there during my June 2019 visit. I was disappointed to see that it is currently closed. For holidays and renovations says a sign. So couldn't enjoy your tip of restaurant yet.

A drink is 350. The off fee 400. So his bill was 750. But I not understand why there is no boy drink. I am more or less forced to buy the boy a drink also.

I find it hard to refuse the requests for tips from mamasans who come sit next to me on their own request. Not because I asked them to do that. For me this is very rude to ask then for a tip for a service you never requested. They force a service upon you and then expect a tip while you didn't ask for it. It is like I see you crossing the street. I run to you. Hold your arm and we cross together and then ask you a tip for this. While you didn't ask for my help. It should be illegal. It's extortion. I left Hotmale bar last night because of the extreme demand for tipping. They more or less force you to tip every boy in the show and every mamasan. The show boys go into the public with their hard cock and want you to touch it and then expect a 100 baht tip. If you say "No" they keep asking, also rude: a no answer is not respected really, they keep asking. All of them that are on stage come to you for a tip. Then the mamasans who ask for tips and drinks. It was becoming so extreme that I left. Very rude behaviour. Never again Hotmale bar for me. Feels horrible. Sometimes I can resist however. Sometimes I can't. I pay half the time, but I prefer 0 of the time. Unless in these rare cases that I request a service. But to be honest I am perfectly capable myself to wave a boy over to sit with me and to ask the waiter for the bill. I do notice your bill was only 750. You didn't buy the boy a drink? I am always asked to do that when I have a boy over.

For documentation purposes. Who knows someone will write a history some day of this famous gay Soi, and then after the fact photos are also needed.

Today was at Lucky boys for the first time ever, and the best twink line up in all of Patpong. Fresh boys around 20.15 was a disappointment. Hotmale had about 1 twink that was interesting. Lucky had many many interesting twinks. Rarely been in a bar where I liked many boys. Normally it is 1 to 3 you like. Or none. Soi 4 also has some sexy boys at the bars. I offed the most cute little Vietnamese twink, 18 years old. A beauty that is hard to improve. Amazingly cute. Still impressed. Most beautiful off this holiday. And he does everything. Unlike many other Vietnamese. So also kissing. To be honest I think it is better now then when Soi Twilight was still around.

I thought these erections in fuck shows were prosthetics. It aren't tied off natural boners. It is all fake. Look very good and you see it's not natural.

Thanks. You really are good informed about Thai law. Since it is a very low amount I guess they all pay. No idea it was that cheap.

This question is just out of curiosity. If they don't pay rest assured I won't inform authorities. Who knows about the business affairs of The Venue and Castro bar? They play music in their shows. They pay royalties for that? Also The Venue before the show starts and in the breaks shows video from a Dutch concert from De Toppers. Do they pay for that and for the candid camera videos we see?

I know condoms protect against HIV But I read syphilis can also be contacted just when kissing. How to protect against that, other then just not kiss the boys? In a few weeks I go again to Thailand and I like kissing. So I understand better not kiss then, how do your guys do this? You have stopped for the time being kissing your offs?

I never have taken a test in my life. Maybe a good idea I start doing it. When you go to this hospital you have the answer within an hour, or how does it work?

Does someone know why the baht is so strong? Is the Thai economy doing so very well? Thai people get richer every year (like Chinese people and Vietnamese people?) I wonder if the Netherlands still had its own currency and not the Euro if the exchange would also be as bad today. Something tells me it wouldn''t.

You mean with reality earning a living? Which for most of us below retirement age is indeed the reality and sadly work visa for Thailand aren't easy and the options pretty limited (I cant even be an English teacher because I am not a native speaker, so the most popular ex-pat job is ruled out for me). Since working in Thailand is not really feasable also for me the reality is to work 47 weeks a year in my country with 5 weeks holiday. Some people are lucky. They don't need to work, got big inheritance at age 30 and live their life in and travel around Southeast asia. Other people are lucky in that the got a slight handicap which make them unfit for work, get social security and live in Thailand from it from age 45 on. That handicap is not such that you can't function at all, you can travel, move around, fuck boys, only the rules were a bit bend to give you that social security and you have a life of leisure with one small disdavtage; a slight 'handicap', like back starts to hurt when you work for 2 hours in a row. Life is unfair. I fall in the category where I have to work 47 weeks a year in my country.

If was a millionaire I would do the same.

20 years ago was 1999. I understand it all started getting serious half way the 1980's, so then the high point of gay sex tourism was only a 10 year period or so? Before that there is a build up phase, slowly news spreads to Europe, gays go Pattaya, tell about it back home, others go then too, till you reach the peek period of second half 80s, first half 90s? Then for some strange reason after 1999 it goes down (before the mobile phone era, before the gay app era).

Please ask him what extra job options the boys (many with only highschool education) have compared to the past? They could already work in 7-11, so what extra jobs are in 2019 possible I wonder for the boys we meet (many of whom only have a finished highschool education)? They can't become a doctor, or a police agent with only highschool.

Baht to EUR rate still bad from European perspective. The current rate is the worst I have experienced since I started going to Thailand. Its getting more expensive my trips, just because of the currentcy rate. I wish we had kept our guilder and didn't switch to the Euro.

Not only that, even if the picture is not photoshopped and is very recent, somehow some boys look different in 3D than 2D. Very strange. It can be better or worse looking. So indeed, seeing them in person is also my preference.

Al these gay bars moving to Patpong must mean they are replacing other business there. No new bars are being build, they just move to an existing building. So what type of bars in Patpong are doing so bad that they have to stop their business, so the Soi Twilight bars can go in?? And what a luck for the Soi Twilight bars. What if there was no room in Patpong that now miraculously becomes available ? Then they all had to spread out in stead of being concentrated in one area?