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Shamelessly I am trawling for recommendations in advance of my next Pattaya holiday, but I also hope that this thread could be of wider interest. I have seen threads on individual bars/agogos across Pattaya but much of their basic information is now quite old and in many I also get no sense of what I might expect from their 'shows'. And anyhow such things can change with any new staff and/or management. My current experience is limited really to BoyzBoyzBoyz and X-Boyz BoyzBoyzBoyz offered an agenda of cock-show events, even encouraging a 'meet and stroke' walk-about the audience at one point. It had a broad spectrum of boys from twinks to hunks who ranged from well-hung to very well-hung. X-Boys was similar but with their 'Special Show' on the 21st having pairs of boys getting, shall we say, very intimately acquainted both on the stage and then around the audience. I went in January - do they still do them? Any advice on other places would be appreciated please and with at least generalized details; is it all dancing or cabaret style for example, or does it get raunchier?

I do walk sometimes, but heat, distance and destination are the determinates here, I am overweight, although not as fat as many, but I can still sweat buckets in the heat and that is not a good look LOL Fine if my destination is my hotel room and its welcoming shower, but obviously not so fine if I have my mongering hat on or plan to go to a bar or agogo. But a light sea breeze of an early evening and a gentle there-and-back-again, window-shopping, walk along Beach Road; perfect.

My hotel is on Soi 6, and I will normally get a baht bus if convenient, but if I want to go LK Metro, or Sunee Plaza, then a motorbike taxi is the way to go for me as they are not on a direct baht bus route. Even though Walking Street/Boyztown is on the baht bus route, traffic is usually so congested on Beach Road in the evenings, especially at weekends, that again a motorbike taxi is by far the quickest option. I do close my eyes at times but the regular taxi boys are usually ok - I tend to pick the older ones when I can. My worst experience on the back of a bike was a ladyboy who said she was too drunk to walk, and promptly fell off the bike as soon as we reached our destination. I was praying to every god I had ever heard of during that journey!

One or two of my Thai friends can be annoying for a very different reason - the constant 'Up to You' response. What would you like to do today? - UTY! Where would you like to eat tonight? - UTY You want to go cinema or go to a show? - UTY Do you want to go for another drink or go back to the hotel? - UTY My LB friend Nicky was the worst for that - 'You the customer' she would say 'always Up to You', - yet at the same time making it very clear if she didn't like my eventual choice. (and yes there were huge compensations with Nicky that far outweighed this). So my question is - where did the balance lie for you between just doing whatever the customer wanted, and expressing your own wishes, particularly when asked. Is the 'Up to You' a peculiarly Thai thing?

Great installment that left me with tears in my eyes as well, not just in sympathy for what you were going through, but because it evoked still-all-too-raw memories of my own 'goodbyes' on past trips.

Whew!, what a great ride this TR has been, I came to it late, yesterday and read the whole thing in 24 hrs. Your writing is engaging, humorous, captivating and above all honest, making this one of the best TR I have read on any forum. I so empathize with your constant dilemma of wanting to butterfly and at the same time enjoying your developing relationships with your favorite guys. It is a(n overall) happy dilemma that I too face on my holidays to Pattaya. I sometimes wish I could split my heart into a number of pieces to share out amongst my regular bar fines. You come across as a kind, good hearted man with a generous spirit (I suspect your daily budget is somewhat higher than mine) and as a consequence you leave Thailand with a bulging bagful of happy memories. Sounds like the perfect holiday to me! I am two weeks away from my next trip and your TR has gotten me all fired-up. Thank you!

Another question if I can please. Perhaps my most regular barfine over the last 7 years has been a bar girl and she confided in me a while back that she very quickly divides her customers or potential customers between 'Mr Lonely' and 'Mr Horny' and then reacts accordingly to them - in other words to be what they are looking for. (I never dared ask her what category she put me in LOL ) Did you feel the need to do the same; mold your personality and performance to act out the role they were looking for?

Given those sort of circumstances, how did you look upon your customers? - were they just that customers, or did regular customers ever become friends? - did you ever actually like any of them even if you did not find them physically attractive?

I guess that is what they call 'offering it to you on a plate'! LOL

Wow, what a great couple of days, and whole bag-full of memories to take away with you. I budget for about 10k baht a day; more than some and less than others, but it kinda get frittered on quantity rather than necessarily quality. Your report is giving me food for thought as I am now just 3 weeks away from my next holiday. The Jomtien complex you say ........

Ok, I have had a search for Sansuk Sauna and this appears the most informative thread so far. I like the sound of it, but I am still not quite sure what to expect and what the etiquette is once there. Is it some where I should bring a Long Time boy with me?, or will I find other 'interests' here. I am into twinks, preferably asian. Sorry if this all sounds a bit naive but I am still very new to the boy scene in Pattaya.

On other forums huge debate will rage over the earning potential of the girls in Pattaya and it is clear that the answer varies hugely. My main 'stamping ground' is Soi 6, with 60+ Short Time bars along its length; mostly girl bars and some ladyboy bars. So maybe 500 girls 'available' each day, and many of those would be lucky to get one or two Short Times a week, especially in Low Season. But there are also the 'stars'; not many, four or five on the entire street perhaps who can get multiple STs a day; five or six a day is not uncommon for them at 1k baht each customer plus drinks, tips, share of barfines etc. They are absolutely the minority, but they do exist. One little hottie 'Tuktik' from Route 69 Bar is currently the number one and the guys are jokingly talking about organising a ticketing system for her! LOL I readily accept that the 'market' for the boys, even the hot twinks, is not likely to be anywhere near that of the girls, but my point is that the earning of individual boys is also likely to be similarly diverse.

I can almost feel the love building.... We will all be there, linking arms down BoyzTown, clutching our lighted candles and murmuring the refrain of 'Kumbaya' as the BoyzBoyzBoyz do their nightly parade. LOL

Seems like a nice boy! LOL Yep a cutie for sure, and I enjoyed the link thanks.

Thank-you that was an inspiring post, one of the best I have read on this forum!

That so depends - even on an 'average'. If I am having a basic ST, then its all about passion and sexual urgency with sweaty, horny sex and it can be all washed-up and concluded within the hour. My sessions with a boy I know in Toy Boys can take even less time - we can both cum in about 20 minutes - but they can be a pretty exhausting 20 minutes - especially for me at my age. On the other hand if they are staying with me overnight, then it can be more relaxed, with lots of play and cuddling, with small breaks to pee (him), or get a breather (me) and can extend an hour or two before our balls empty. Same in the morning, gently wake-up, stroking, kissing and foreplay before a further round to build an appetite for breakfast.

Yes absolutely, I have a little 'friend' who works in a small massage shop behind Tukom. Seven or eight boys in the shop and somedays in low season they only have two or three customers in total all day - he often shows me the 'book' they are marked down on. On the days when he is one of the lucky ones, he contributes to the communal feed in the evening.

Not sure how many would want to admit to being money boys, but for an insight into the gay scene among younger Thai men/twinks its a real 'eye opener' (cock hardener). Most of the names are in Thai, but one 'follow' leads to another and soon you are following any number you want. Try typing 'Pattaya Boys' into the search to start with.

I have opened a Twitter account in the last few days (chasing Jason...LOL), hundreds of Thai boys have accounts. I have never seen so much filth outside of porn sites! More pictures and video clips of gorgeous Thai cocks and bums than I can shake my own cock at!

Kindness with benefits! LOL - actually a really useful thought for those times when my holiday diary starts to look a little over-crowded.

Being 50:50 I can look across both sides of the fence. I would say that the fees and tips for the boys are still more than advantageous compared to girls prices from the Walking Street/LK Metro agogs. There is considerable variation in the agogo prices of course, but bar-fines can often be in excess of 1k baht, and for some of the showgirls considerably more, but often cheaper after 1am. And whereas an average for agogo girls for ST tips might be 2k baht and for LT 3k baht, there are many that ask and get quite a bit more. Indeed 3k ST and 5k LT are being regularly asked by some of the more popular girls. As ever Beer Bar girls and freelances are usually significantly lower. In Soi 6, for example, the barfine (including use of room above) is 300 baht and the girl's tip 1k baht. Where the boy bars/agogos seem to 'win' at the moment is drink prices (especially boy drink prices) which seem somewhat higher than most of their girl equivalents. I feel more forgiving of higher drink prices at places like BBB and XBoys where at least you get a decent cock-show in compensation, but not for places like Toy Boys that charge the same without any real show.

Some really great advice here already, I am now 60, I am overweight /chubby, and I am still fighting them off with a stick when I go over there. I want their bodies, they want my baht. Get to Pattaya, take in the sights, smile a lot, buy a few drinks (but don't throw your money around), and the magic will happen for sure. One gentle word of caution, you sound like you could be emotionally vulnerable. It is all too easy to fall in love with your 'first' guy. These guys know how to make you feel good (not just sexually), but emotionally, so you need to make sure your head keeps a little control over your heart and your cock. I made that 'mistake' on my first trip to Pattaya, I was by no means a virgin, but I had separated from my partner of many years and had spent a lonely few years feeling both unloved and unlovable. Result was that I barfined the first dancer in the first agogo I went into on my first night in town and stayed with them for my whole holiday. I had a great time, but left Thailand in tears and in love - it didn't last of course. Look at it like a trip to Adult Disneyland where dreams and fantasies can be fulfilled, but its not really reality, reality is the plane ride home and working and saving for your next trip, for Pattaya is an addiction, and you will be back again! LOL I shall be there in the latter part of August, so if you need a wingman for a night - send me a PM.

Some of these boys have arses as tight as the proverbial duck's, even when they have assured you that they are gay; it makes you wonder just how often they do get fucked. I have had to work hard get inside some, and with some I have just given up and settled for BJs or HJs.

Great start to this TR thanks, I too am into the twinks so I have an even greater interest in your exploits. I have never been to Cupidol (yet) and I am clearly missing out. I was impressed by the range of twinks in Toy Boys in January.

And that is exactly what the 'Remain' campaigners would like you to believe; reality on the ground is very different. Bunches of 'sour grapes' are selling very well in London at the moment I believe.