Vessey

I think that you raise some really interesting issues here, but I wonder if they don't merit their own thread as we are wandering some way from the opening post on this thread. But in summation: bar closures - is going on all the time, but they mostly re-open and someone tries again under a different bar name. There are wider trends perhaps above all that. On-line traffic - Facebook yes, and maybe other avenues - ladyboys are particularly adept at the internet opportunities to expand their customer base. Plump ladies, yes overall there is a trend in that direction, but turn-over also ensures a ready supply of young 'spinners' 'off the bus' each week.

Humm - femboys who are 'sluts' - let me think about that for a nano-second - ah yes, Eros! One of my now favorite places in Pattaya and now one of the last remaining jewels in the Crown of Sunee Plaza.

Yes Pattaya Addicts (currently 108k members) and the Pattaya Ladyboy Forum (currently 67k members); keep in mind I am bi-sexual LOL Both differ from each other in the character of their respective forums and in turn differ markedly from this one. Not saying that any one is better than the other - they cater for different markets - and they just differ.

Moderation effectively shapes both both the character and direction of a forum. I post on three forums these days and the character of each differs as does their moderation. This is, by far, the smallest of the three and still retains that 'family of like-minded friends' feel to it. And I feel privileged to be part of it. But every now and then someone has to be sent home from the party if they are spoiling it for others. As others have said there is always a balance to be struck between building content and membership and retaining what's best about its current character.

I haven't explored all of Pattaya by a long chalk, but based on my recent trip, in Boyztown both Toy Boys and Cupidol would be good places to start - they are both stuffed with them.

There does seem to be a 'gap in the market' here for daytime short-times. In the girl environment opportunities abound, with many, many short-time bars open from mid-day onwards, and quite a number of 'gentlemen's clubs' tucked away here and there that offer opportunites for an 'afternoon delight'. But so far, apart from the places mentioned above, I am not (yet) aware of any similar opportunities to meet boys in the afternoons.

For me the important thing is being able to communicate with my friends the best I can. There are some Thais whose English is fluent/conversational, but not many; there are some who, being relatively new to the game, have virtually no English at all, and then there are those in the middle with a varying smattering of English. So I will adapt to whoever I am talking to, mostly its Tinglish. I certainly dont see that as being condescending it is just a practical compromise to communication. I had a ladyboy GF for a while who was a deaf-mute and we still managed a degree of communication, made-up sign language, emoticons on the phone, etc. etc.. The ability, at whatever level, to communicate with my barfines makes a big difference to my enjoyment of the experience (although if the sex is great all is forgiven of course). I try and keep in mind that poor though their English may be, it is still better than my Thai!

I think it was 260 baht for a San Miguel and even 200 baht for a coke, that puts it higher than any other boys bar I have encountered in Pattaya and on a par, or even marginally higher than the prices in the top girl agogos on Walking Street. I have zero experience of the boy bars of Bangkok and if their drink prices are indeed even higher then my experience is likely to remain at zero.

I was tipping the boys that came and sat with me in Toy Boys, in Boyztown. Despite the horrendous price of their drinks I gather the boys only got 20 baht per drink - I don't know if anyone can confirm that? But if they just sat and had a drink with me and chatted, then I gave 100 baht tip. If I had had a fondle of their cock then I gave 200 baht. (Given that I would give the Good Boys boys 300 baht to stroke their cocks, that seemed to me to be reasonable in comparison). So in Toy Boys I would last the first round of drinks and tip, rather than buy a second round of drinks. Saved me money and the boys got more. So why did I drink there if it was so expensive? - because it was Twink Heaven - that's why (and of course because my beloved Vit worked there LOL).

I have reached the age and weight in life where the more clothes I wear the better I look. The only poor souls who are inflicted with my naked form are the ones I am paying to tell me what a handsum man I look like. Coincidentaly they also tell me how they like pompui men, and how they positively prefer older men: how I love Pattaya! LOL

Not being a whisky drinker I have yet to be tempted by the buy a bottle approach, although I am well up for any hints on saving money. I managed to go way over budget this trip, although I had a great time. One of my regulars I would see after he finished work in his agogo, if I went in to pay bar there was usually a few drinks involved and when they are 250 baht each, I walked out of there with my boy but minus about 2k baht to start with. I spent enough in that particular bar as it is over the last three weeks so I feel no guilt about it. I also indicated to the boy that I could pay him a little extra as a consequence. But I tend to agree to drinks too quickly and too easily anyway. Best value for money this trip was a day trip to Koh Larn via the ferry and taking a friend. Ferry charges 120 baht for both of us both ways, 200 baht to rent a motor bike, 200 baht for sun loungers and about 400 baht, just under, for food. So basically fractionally under 1k baht. We both loved it.

There are a number of all-boy massage shops on Second Road opposite Boyztown that look promising, Also other massage shops along Second Road by Big C which have a selection of boys. They will say they are straight massage shops with no extras - but if a boy gets to know you then baht normally 'talks' certainly for HJs and BJs but perhaps not 'boom boom' unless you can take him out of the shop for a while?

I am not sure about the 'non of your fucking business', but the walk like you own the place is spot on. I am just returned from my last holiday and my stay at the Queen Victoria on Soi 6. The 60+ Soi 6 bars are stuffed full of Thai girls and ladyboys but no boys. But everyone of my long-times this holiday was a boy, and to start with I tried to hide them - and then I thought 'fuck it!' this is my holiday and these are my choices. Not only did nobody among the hotel staff say a derogatory word, they even quite took to some of the lads

Turn the air-con up and they quickly cocoon themselves in the counterpane with only their head popping out. Added to that I can snore for England, and so their head quickly disappears too and they keep their distance.

Jason Reedy

Has this place been resurrected and/or moved and if so any current reviews please? The search function is not terribly helpful with some of these names.

Anyone any recent experiences of this club. Seems its within a stone's throw of my hotel and I never knew it existed?

Negotiations with young Jason are going well; exactly how well I will know Tuesday night! LOL And yes it will be expensive, but its an itch that needs to be scratched. I wonder if I can get him out to BBB or XBoys?

All being well I should arrive back in Pattaya on Tuesday night for 3 weeks and will hopefully be out and about checking some more of these shows. Interesting that you had 'hip joining' at X-Boys last night, I had thought it restricted to their 'Special Shows' on the 21st of each month - perhaps it is more routine now?

More prevalent now amongst the older generations now, but England, for example, is still rife with minor superstitions that mirror that of the wild elephants in Thailand. Everything from 'Friday 13th' being unlucky, even the number 13 being unlucky (I am even writing this in the UK on the 13th LOL), to placing shoes on a table, or opening an umbrella indoors, there are hundreds of such minor superstitions, some regional, some local and some personal. Nothing 3rd world about it, we are all at it. LOL

Thank you, I had feared that it was too personal a question to ask. Could I add a codicil to my question please by asking not just when and why you moved on, but how you moved on? You seem to have had a fairly peripatetic existence as a money boy and yet have successfully gone onto a career that enables you to enjoy holiday time in Thailand and I am hoping that there is a story to be told about how that came about? Yes, these questions are more about you now than just the life of a random money boy, but I think many of us have been hooked by the candid way in which you have shared your life-experiences and are keen to follow your story as it progresses.

Monogamy is a rare thing in the promiscuous 'butterfly' world of Pattaya.

The guys/LBs and girls of Pattaya know full well that the majority of their customers do not like condoms, even through the customers are prepared to use them. And many of these boys and girls use that to their advantage in a number of ways. Of the many hundreds of girls on Soi 6 for example, I would guess that maybe 50% will offer no condom if they think it will get them a customer or a higher than normal tip, even some of the most popular ones. Others see 'no condom' as an opportunity to lure you into a longer term relationship (albeit still a customer relationship) with you, along with the immortal words 'I only do this for you tirak'. So in most cases, if you want safe sex, the onus is on us, the customer, to ensure that condoms are used. Even though most of us hate the bloody things with a passion! LOL

It would be interesting to know when and why you stopped being a money boy? (Sorry if this has already been asked)

I know that many people now shop for their boys on-line and most are happy with their purchases, But I still prefer to meet someone in a bar over a drink or having a massage and let the old-fashioned two-way vetting process take its course before deciding on taking them to my room. I want to know that there is at least some 'connection' and basically see if they pass my cock hardening (or at least cock thickening) test before I decide. They too have an opportunity to vet me and make their excuses if they do not want to go with me.