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I tried to upload a picture the other day and kept getting error messages - I thought it was just me who had been restricted LOL Perhaps we are all just in black and white here now and not colour LOL Friends who are over in Pattaya said it was spectacular - plenty of pictures on FaceBook anyway

Ok, let me illustrate this with an example. My regular hotel in Pattaya has been the same for almost 10 years - the Queen Victoria on Soi 6. So 6 is about thrice the length of Boyztown and has almost 60 girl (& ladyboy) bars along its length. When I first went most bars were 'closed' bars with the girls sitting outside - you found a girl you liked, took here inside, maybe bought her a drink first, but not always, took her upstairs and short-timed her. Nowadays there are few of those bars left, most are now open bars - yes you can still take a girl upstairs (and some are very busy), but mostly they are party bars; they have young farang managers, they have countless parties and events - all widely publicised. THe girls still get their short time monies but they also get lots of money from 'ladydrinks', and the tills are ringing (as are the 'bell's ). One of my mates, far younger than me, now has about twelve of these bars and is making big money as are his managers, as are his girls. Customers dont just go there for sex, they go there to party and have a good time. Every year most of the bars on Soi 6 collaborate to have a weekend party, balloons every where, lots of free food and huge publicity - many guys time their holiday visits to include that weekend. Just imagine something like that in Sunee Plaza! Sunee Plaza would be perfect for that sort of event. You might say yes, but that's like comparing apples with pears (or bananas in our case), but the girls (and especially the ladyboys) are also huge users of social media apps - it isn't just a boy thing. It surely says something if the rest of Pattaya thrives but the gay side is dwindling?

One reason, a reason, is publicity; the girlie bars (& the girls) are very good at it whereas boy bars are generally very poor at it. Social media offers huge opportunities for bars and agogos to promote themsleves, not just on facebook, but wigth their own web sites - and websites that are kept up to date. In Sunee only Eros, as far as I am aware has its own web page and all to often its re-hashing pictures that are years old. Winner Boys has one but its rarely added to - same for the facebook pages. Some of the Sunee bars mentioned here I have never heard of and yet I am there many days each holiday, so I must have at least walked past them. Success breed success, which boy wants to work in a bar with no customers, which customer wants to drink in a bar with no boys. Even in low season some of the girl bars and agogos are still heaving with staff and customers. If we are a dying breed in Pattaya its only because we seem content to let it become so IMHO.

Nab is a very popular destination after about 1am when the bars all close and for the next few hours boys will drop in as they can - particularly if a friendly farang is in the chair and offering to share his bottle of whisky generously. An hour or two there and boys are much more hospitable to the idea of long time, but at my age it is as much about whether I still have the stamina at that time of night yet alone the cash to splash. Maybe short times and a decent night's sleep is the way to go ? LOL

Delighted to read that report Vinapu, I love Sunee Plaza. I have yet to experience Nice Boys but I certainly want to this coming August. Twinks/Hunks isn't black/white - its a spectrum that thankfully has lots of grey areas in the middle. LOL

Ok, am I the only one who doesn't understand the 'dorm room' situation - especially in Pattaya?

Gather half a dozen guys from one of the bars when it closes, take them somewhere like Nab for a hour or two with a bottle of whisky, and then suggest back to your room with another bottle and some baht? Not done it with six lads, but it has worked with two - so hopefully the principal is the same LOL

He is very pretty, but 10M? I never new true love was that expensive. You could probably buy the whole of Sunee Plaza for that and all the boys in it - just saying LOL

Delicious, debauched deviancy - all for a few hundred baht - I love the place.

But back to topic, Pattaya is still, in global terms, a very young city - from fishing village to sprawling conurbation in 50 years; it is evolving and growing at a rapid pace. Change is to be expected, maybe even welcomed, albeit cautiously. 50 years ago the local economy was based on fishing and sex, with sex in the ascendancy. Pattaya's global image may still be based on sex, but it is now only a tiny part of the city's economy, and it is a reputation that the City Fathers are all to keen to overturn. All that will happen, I suspect, over the next few decades is that the sex industry will be moved out from the centre of town. The sex industry still seems to thrive in Bangkok, albeit more discretely than it does in Patttaya. To that end, what of the current Gay centres. Boyztown, like Walking Street, is almost iconic, a byword for the gay side of sex tourism in the city, perhaps becoming even more showcase than sleaze. If anything such changes should favour Sunee Plaza - its geography is discrete rather than remote; here sleaze survives (than goodness!). A cafe style culture, similar to Boyztown, to sit and drink and agogos to frequent. Not all bars are good at self publicity given the fast-moving social media world of today. Soi 6 and its girlie bars are examples of how to do it, they use forums and social media to promote themselves and their girls on a daily basis. Too many gay bars (and forums!) still seem content to remain hiding in the shadows and then wonder why they lack customers and interest.

Well perhaps not much dancing, but they are very definitely 'performers' LOL

Hi Bobby, Thanks for your kind comment on my TR (I post them only on Pattaya Addicts now), and I am happy if it sparked a sense of curiosity in you. Like you my Pattaya interests moved from girls to LBs to boys and I am loving it!, better sex and better holidays now than I have ever had. I have no experience of Bangkok to offer, but should you venture back to Pattaya I would say that you will find LBs in most of the boy areas, certainly in Boyztown. Quite a few of the more 'girlie' twinks cross-dress when the mood takes them and several go on to make the transition into full LBs. In my (albeit limited) experience, it is the LBs who have more difficulties in joining boy threesomes - although others may say different. LBs and boys also mix freely together with other customers at places like Zab, the Morlam venue at the entrance to Walking Street, and even the Boy nightclub, Nab, usually has a small compliment of LBs scattered in there. Fertile places perhaps to meet the potential third members of your team for the night LOL

Sadly it doesn't matter what kind of sand they use, because unless they make much, much more effort in keeping down the daily litter and flotsam it will soon be just as unappealing as the rest of it.

My favourite bar in the Jomtien Complex, the perfect chill bar, friendly lads and great atmosphere. Love it!

Haha, yes his cock was so big it was almost a third leg, he was lovely? Twice he asked me to off him and both times I hesitated fearing the sheer size of his weapon. Something I regret, but he may be back in the future?

Absolutely they do, I keep notes on all my holidays - like a sort of diary - takes about 20 mins, occasionally 30 mins each day, with a few photographs to back-it up. Records each day while it is still fresh in the memory. Its amazing how quickly detail and events fade amongst the hurly-burly of a holiday and memories seem to merge into each other. Essential for trip reports, but also good for the long days back home to re-live past encounters and enjoy again the highlights of a holiday, until it is time for the next next one. That and keeping in touch with my regulars on FaceBook, although even they go 'off the boil' during the long months between holidays.

In many walks of life the adage is 'you get what you pay for', but in terms of Pay 4 Play in Thailand I have never been convinced that that is the case. But it kinda depends if you are after stunning looking 'arm candy' or great sex, as the two rarely go together in my experience. For me, at least, better 'the boy next door', who is grateful for the off, who will go out of his way to ensure that you have a great time with him, rather than the 'stunner' who gets offed all the time and just 'goes through the motions' to earn his fee. In bars, its the lad that smiles at you, keeps eye contact and asks to come back with you, rather than the lad you have been drooling over that you have to ask if he will come back with you.

I have sometimes paid long-time boys/girls at the end of the holiday, or even a bit upfront - although that doesn't work as well. But what I have also done on three or four occasions is open a bank-account for my long-time and paid the money into that and he/she walks away with a bank card and 10k or 20k baht 'in the bank', although I suspect it didn't stay there long - but at least I tried. LOL One of my regulars keeps a bank account and I pay him each weekend and he goes to Central and banks it almost as soon as I give it to him, but he is the exception rather than the rule. Generally, it never ceases to amaze me how many of them still stash all their accumulated cash in a shoe-box in their room - and even put proud pictures of it on FaceBook for all to see!

New boys are a bit of a lottery in terms of how you connect, how good the sex is, but there is always the thrill of the chaice, of someone new, someone different - I get that. But, albeit less thrilling, there is the comfort of the regular who you have seen over several holidays who you connect well with and who you know you are going to have great sex with. I usually start off with the new, but then, after a few days, quickly settle back down with the tried and tested 'regular'

Well that has to be the shortest and most concise trip report ever, LOL On the other hand, at least you have no detail to bore people with, and no pictures for people to complain about or run and show to the boys, so unlike most trip reports on this forum you will have offended no one - which is in itself an achievement, But joking aside, you enjoyed yourself and that is absolutely the key requirement. Our holidays are all different. I too am saving hard for my next trip.

To complicate things there can occasionally also be long short-times and short long-times. Long short times are, for me at least when someone agrees to meet you during the day, and stays with you maybe three or four hours, maybe sex only the once (but long and protracted), then watch TV, go eat, have massage together - but all at the agreed ST fee (albeit a generous one), The short long-times, again for me at least, is where I have taken a boy at maybe 8pm or 9pm, kept him with me all night to go bars and eat, maybe even somewhere like Nab later, and then gone back to the room for sex, but then they leave afterwards rather than stay and sleep the night (again the long-time fee is, by prior agreement, tailored down to reflect that). [the fact that I snore for England may have something to do with that choice of course] Now in both those scenarios the boys I have done that with have been repeats rather than first timers. Then there is the interupted long-time, the lad is basically staying with you the full day or days, but wants a couple of hours, usually early evening, to go and meet up with friends - or whatever. Probably to see another client for ST I suspect, but also allows me to go and do exactly the same. Works well, everybody happy and no loss of face! Buy hey, its our holiday, our money and (with negotiation) our call.

The @ Home Bar was my chill bar of choice last couple of trips, They do open at 4pm, and kinda open with the 'B Team', the 'A Team' seem to arrive later - almost as and when. Some may therefore be freelance I suppose, I don't know. But I can confirm that the all appear to be Cambodian and their English skills vary hugely often proportionate to the length of time they have worked here. They have a good FaceBook page for their various events.

Hua Hin is a place I have oft heard referred to but never been, Having read the report, which is both excellent and informative thanks, I am still wondering whether, in hindsight, it was worth the expense and the effort? Certainly having your guide seemed to offer a far better experience than had you tried to get around solo, The night life does sound disappointing, maybe best to take a 'friend' with you?

Thanks, I love your writing and the detail of your experiences. Damn, I feel horny now! LOL

The tour groups with their massive coaches and flag-waving guides will, I am sure, still make up a large proportion of visiting tourists. But I had no idea they demanded 50% of the ticket price at places like Tiffany's. We farang are perhaps a slowly diminishing resource to the city, although hopefully still an important one. I have seen lists of the different proportions of nationalities visiting Thailand each year - someone else may have a link to it. Its quite an eye-opener. As to Tiffiany's - I love it and have been several times - its a real extravaganza - a million miles above some of the LB shows you get in Boyztown for example.