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Well, I missed out on that while I was there then LOL Did you tip each one that came down to have their cock sucked?, and if so how much?

Yes indeedy, the gay guys of Pattaya cum in sorts of shapes and sizes. True the smaller, more effeminate lads are mostly gay, and the bigger musculer guys are mostly straight, but I have found quite a crossover, and also some gays that are top only, and some straights that will also bottom. There is a lovely guy in Power Boys next door, bigger guy, little bit thick set, who is gay and tops and bottoms happily on request, and yet some of the smaller 'twinkier' lads in Jomtien, for example are straight and top only. Well I have trouble telling, just by looking at them, who is gay and who is straight, but a fellow BM I have been holidaying with seems to have no trouble at all and jokes that my 'gaydar' is seriously under-developed, LOL And actually, if I meet a lad who has my cock twitching and thickening in anticipation I will work within their contraints, although that said, its amazing what an hour or two over a bottle of Johnny Walker in somewhere like Nab will do to a lads inhibitions.

The most popular, well certainly the busiest of the bars in the Complex have a high proportion of Cambodian and Laos boys, indeed one is almost 100 % Camboidian and with a Cambodian boss. I was sitting in a well known bar in Boyztown with another Board member just over a week ago when there was a police raid - seven or eight non Thai boys carted off. I believe the boss duly paid-up and they were back there on stage a couple of days later. It seems like its only a problem for the boys themselves if the bar/shop owner refuses to pay. A Cambodian boy I know at Scandic Massage knows what the usual fine will be if he is, by chance, picked up - and he keeps that amount available at all times just in case. Regularly the ladboys of Beach Road are rounded up in a show raid - again they are used to it and know what the 'fine' will be for a quick, quick release. Like vinapu - I look at the boy and if I like him and we show some 'connection' then Bingo! - only later might I ask out of curiosity if they are Thai or not; their country of origin never has been a determining factor in whether or not I want to off them or not. I wont comment further on these police raids other than to say that their true purpose seems to me self-evident.

Most of the boys on stage have pulled down the tops of their briefs and flipped their cocks out to entice you, some are soft, but most are gently wanking their cocks so that they have at leas a 'semi' on. This seems to be their standard operating proceedure when there are customers in the bar. If you call a boy over, buy him a drink you usually have full access to his cock to play with - if you get him to cum as he sits with you it will cost you 300 baht. But if you put 300 baht into an empty wooden drinks bin, the elderly Thai boss bangs the bin on the table to indicate that 300 baht is available to the first boy on stage who can cum - many, but not all take part, wanking furiously. I did it three times I think and each time the tall guy won. So one time I put another 300 baht up for a different guy to try and win. They usually cum into their hand so that they can come over and show you to claim their prize. 300 baht seems the going rate in Sunee - its 300 baht in Goodboys for a cum and also in Eros.

Just back from Pattaya, and visited Nice Boys for the first time early on, and then on umpteen occasions following - sometimes alone, other times with friends. Always boys to come and sit with us and play a little. I had what was effectively a wingman from Toy Boys with me on most occasions, being gay he likes the straight boys and on three occasions we borrowed boys of his choice back to the room with us for the night. Couple of occasions put 300 baht in the bin and see who could cum first - the tall guy with the big cock seemed to manage to do it first each time (they come over and show you for proof LOL), but I think he must keep in a perpetual state of near readiness LOL But a real mixture of guys from the hunky ones to the almost twinks, tall, short, thin, thicker, older looking and younger looking - in fact somone for almost everyone I would have said. And, importantly in low season, plenty of boys on stage to choose from, and consequently more customers than most bars in Sunee. Nice Boys will be top of my list in Sunee next holiday

A thread that just cries out for updates (especially as I am now only a few days away from being able to check these out for myself), Finnseventy's report from Nice Boys and Power Boys was, shall we say, 'inspiring', as I have yet to visit either bar, and I am discovering that almost half my 'bucket list' seems to currently be working across these two bars. ...... And yes I will report back myself later LOL

All being well, by this time next week my plane should be approaching Thailand for the start of a three week holiday in Pattaya (mostly). [15th August to 5th September] Over the following 20 days I plan to slowly distribute my baht amongst the deserving poor of Sunee Plaza, Jomtien Complex and, of course, Boyztown. I would be delighted to meet any fellow Board Members, either resident, or fellow travellers who are in town, for a drink and a chat. Compared to most of you guys I am still relatively new to this side of town and would be grateful for any tips and advice. If anyone is interested, please either reply here or send me a PM and we will arrange means of contact on the ground. The first beer will be on me of course LOL

Wouldn't bother with a torch, half the fun is in feeling your way around .....LOL

The on-line apps are convenient and if all you want is straight (sic) sex, that's fine, However, on-line you get a few photographs (some older than others, some quiety photoshopped (the girls do it all the time)), and then there is a knock on the door and there they are, come to earn money from you. Are they what you hoped for?, are they anything like what you hoped for?, but while you are thinking that there they are getting undressed in your room ...... The advantages of a bar is that you get a better chance to see what you are getting (and in some bars to be able to see exactly what you are getting! LOL). You get a chance to share a drink with them, to talk with them as best as language allows, you get a chance to see if there is any 'connection' between you. If they are touchy-feely with you, better yet if they kiss, you can start to feel more confident that any time spent up in your room with them will be worth the baht. If the connection is not there, if the vibes are not good, you can back out after the first drink with no loss of face either way. But once they are undressing in your room that moment has already passed, for good or bad. Actually I do both, but the barfines I take from bars are more lilkely to end up being repeats, wheras the callers to my door tend to be more hit-and-miss.

I don't carry my passport with me when out and about, instead I have two laminated credit-card sized reductions that I had made in the Big C a few years ago - one for each wallet. I usually have two wallets/purses, one smaller, thinner one deep in a front pocket where hopefully I could feel anyone (who shouldn't be) fishing around in there. I keep an older, fatter purse, with my coins and smalle notes (100 baht and below), always looks a lot but rarely more than 1k baht in total. That I put in a back pocket looking deliberately 'visible'. If anyone is out to pickpocket me I would be hoping that pick on this one first - if I loose it then its inconveneient but minimal financial loss. I only take bank cards with me when I go to the ATM, and then I usually bring it straight back to the hotel where I stash it, and much of the cash in the room safe. During the day I might have 5-6k baht on me, but I might up that to 10k at night - not that I have the intention of spending that much at all, but you never know, for good or bad, if you might need it. If I have room in a pocket, I try and take a small plastic bag, bank coin bag size, with a couple of condoms and a couple of sachets of lube inside, again, you never knw if you might need it LOL Oh yes and a couple of hotel cards - if anything happens to me they will at least know where to take me LOL. Last, but oh so important, and taking up no room at all, I take my smile! Always appreciated and its surprising just how many farang seem to forget theirs LOL

Every bar will set its own barfine/off fee, 300-400 sounds about average, but they may want more if you lad works in the show for example. In terms of tips, I have paid anything from 1,000 to 2,000 baht for a short time and 2,000 to 3,000 for long time. Others can find cheaper, and others will pay more to get the particular lad they have been after from a popular bar. But even if you end up paying over the odds in order to have an amazing night with the lad of your dreams, I can guarantee that you will be recalling happy memories of that night long after you have forgotten how much it cost you! LOL

My No. 1 favourite boy, Vit, works at Scandic so I am a frequent visitor. Yes its a basic 1,500 baht entry charge for 'massage and sex with boy' as whoever is acting as receptionist usually says. Vit tells me that he gets half of that, with the shop keeping the other half. So it is intended as an 'all-in' charge so to speak; you pay at the desk and don't have to pay your boy any more. In practice, as I not only adore VIt, but adore what he does to me, I invariably privately tip him another 500 baht. When I first started doing that it certainly wasn't expected (although the little bugger probably expects it now LOL). No idea if others do that for their lads or not. As an aside, seeing Vit outside Scandic, thinking him unbelievably sexy, and being led nervously inside by him and up to the massage rooms for 'massage and sex with boy', provided me with my first ever gay experience in Pattaya. Several years later, having left a semen trail though Boyztown, Sunee and Jomtien, I can safely say that it's all Vit's fault! LOL And I still find him unbelievably sexy

Haha, yes I get the Papa bit now, especially with some of the Soi 6 girls. It gets worse of course when try and hep you up the small step into their bar and then go and get a chair for you! LOL Worse still when your stretched out on the bed and your boy/girl automatically just climb on top - well actually that's not so bad I suppose, but it is just that they have assumed I am of an age where they are going to have to do all the work LOL

In my experience, and others may have a different POV, is that most Thai's divide the worlds population into two unequal parts: Thai and non-Thai. LOL And sadly it is as simple as that - but we still love them!

Why indeed? My comment was just an observation - however if I was being really cynical I might suggest that there is far far less work for them to do if its suicide?

With a farang death if there is any conceivable way of getting away with calling it suicide or natural causes, or accidental death - no matter how far fetched - you can bet that will be the official judgement.

The joys of low season - entering a small bar or agogo and being the only customer, and the hopeful eyes of every lad following your every movement. I always feel so guilty - no reason why I should - i just do. So yes either pick a boy or two for a drink, or give small tips to everyone. Good to have such a range to choose from of course (assuming you are there to choose and not just chill), but give me a crowded room and the opportunity to sit quietly in a corner - for a while at least LOL

I don't really see any difference between offing gay or non gay gays in the world of P4P. Ok not so many straight guys bottom, but even the gay guys generally they go with us just for the money, not because they find us sexually exciting. Same for the girls, their idea of an ideal sexual partner is some hot young Thai boy, not some fat old farang like me. Boy or girl (or LB), they have sex with us for the money, its that simple. Unless your guy is different of course LOL Doesn't mean that they can't grow to like you or be friends with you, but in your absence I bet they don't exactly 'knock one out' while staring at a picture of you on their bedroom wall - gay or straight. They are there working because they want to make $ and most will do what it takes to get top $ LOL

And therein lies a conundrum for the authorities, the rescue attempt focussed the spotlight of world media attention. The boys will inevitably remain of considerable media interest for the immediate future at least, maybe beyond if block-buster movies are made. How will the authorities deal with that because the status of the boys will inevitably be a factor, especially if there is any talk of travel for them (no passports).

They are so easy to fall in love with - my problem is falling in love with just the one! LOL

Throughout all this Thai cartoonists have been capturing the mood, this last one show the wild boars with the diver Saman Guman who lost his life during the rescue. I cracked like an egg this morning when I saw this.

Well I have picked my two out

Mate you need to rent this guy out to the rest of us - you could crowd-fund your next trip! I will be there, all being well, in 5 weeks - hint! hint! LOL

Its the result we had all hoped and prayed for but never really thought was achievable given that most, if not all, the boys could not swim yet alone dive, and to go through such a grueling and testing extraction after so many days of starvation in uncomfortable darkness, unsure if the world was even aware of their plight. The rescue effort was amazing and inspiring (sadly with loss of life) and a true international collaboration with the Thai authorities who, perhaps rather surprisingly, opened their arms to the help offered. This is the stuff of future block-buster movies I suspect. The whole thing has been an emotional roller-coaster and box of tissues next to my computer has become severely depleted over the last couple of days (and not for the purpose for which they had originally been bought either! LOL)

If I really fancy a lad then I will work with whatever I discover within his pants - even if its on the small side. But oh the joy when you find that you have got yourself a two-hander! Have you ventured into Jomtien yet?