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Very common I am afraid. I am constantly doing battle with requests for money. Can't pay for room and face eviction is the most common, No money for doctor/hospital for them/parents/grandparents No money to buy the baby milk etc. Mostly these requests come from boys that I know and have often been with over several years. Some can be very persistent, others collapse and go away when you first say no. Its almost like a national sport to keep milking your farang once he has gone home. I have a boyfriend that I help modestly once a month but all the above are from other boys short-time/long-time that I meet along the way. The trick is to be able to sort out the deserving poor from the undeserving poor. Some, a few, are indeed desperate, others are just trying it on.

Don't apologise! Finally a Gay Forum thread that is not about Trump and American politics. A blank sheet, if you will .... What shall we talk about?

We are the customers, and my experience is that the boys will usually tell us whatever they think it is we want to hear, about ourselves and about others. I am always wary about boy who speak badly about other customers as it leaves me wondering what they are then saying to them about me? In terms of basics, treating them with respect, ensuring my personal hygiene is good, that I look presentable, that I have properly 'prepared' if I am to be the bottom this time, etc. Most of my holiday short-times are taken from amongst my small band of 'regulars' who I have gotten to know over a number of years. They all seem keen to see me again; hopefully because I treat them well, pay them well, and often feed them well. In turn they make an effort to make me feel good, and enjoy my time with them. Works well! Some of them will happily share information and pictures about their families and friends, or talk to me about their current Thai boyfriend, etc. I always take that as a mark that they like me and maybe think of me as being a 'good customer' as opposed to being just another customer. But hardly any will show any interest in my life outside Thailand. But, all in all, its all variations of the customer/money-boy relationships. Cut your sponsorship and see how long your 'boyfriend' hangs around! 🤣

Is it mind over matter?, no it is more a case of what matters to you at different stages in your life. Not every sexual encounter has to finish with a climax (just ask any woman! hahaha). And certainly not at my age. The fun for me is in the sexual encounter itself; in its intimacy, the foreplay, usually, but not always, penetration. For me, if my partner cums that is a win for me; if I cum it is a bonus. Now at 70 I manage my expectations; as long as I enjoy the journey I don't worry too much if I don't arrive at the destination every trip. When I first started coming to Pattaya in my 50s, my expectations (of myself in particular) were a lot higher, but that was then, this is now. At my age, for example, threesomes help. I can be as involved as I want to be, or can manage to be, and then the other two can go-at-it like rabbits until they too have had enough. My holidays have nothing to do with trying to impress my peers, they are entirely about me enjoying myself as best I can, and that, year by year, is proving an evolving ambition.

Sorry for going off-topic, but to answer that, I usual try and balance things and have one top and one bottom each day. Also Cialis helps! 🤣

I live alone at home in the UK, but on holiday I hate to eat alone. Whichever boy is with me when I feel hungry I invite to eat with me, be it breakfast, an afternoon snack or evening meal. This recent holiday I was arranging short-times at 3pm and 6pm (more or less) and there would be competition amongst my regulars for the 6pm slot precisely because I would want to eat afterwards. In terms of overnights, mostly (but not always) my BF, breakfast was a must for both of us. For half my stay, my hotel is the Queen Victoria in the heart of Soi 6, where I have stayed for the last ten years. I used to be the only guy in there with money boy companions, but occasionally now I have seen one or two others. No problems from the staff who recognise a few now and happily chat and banter with them. None of the other customers have ever said anything, or if they have then they have kept it to themselves. More recently the other half of my stay has been in the Zing, in Jomtien Complex, a more recognisably gay-friendly hotel. Not that I use their restaurant much (reminds me of the canteen at my old school), instead I take my friends to whatever bistro or restaurant I fancy. Again, never an issue with anyone. Even when some of my boys are only breaking 20, and I am now 70. So my advice is, if you want a boy companion at your breakfast table, just do it and enjoy it!

Given the thread, you are surely not suggesting that this bar is for sale?

I recently stayed eleven nights at the Zing hotel and finished every night with a visit to M Bar. Named after Mama M, who previously was the mamasan at Cupidol in BOyzTown, she is great fun, if a little overbearing at times, and skilled at extracting every last baht from your pocket before you tip out of the bar at say 1am or 2am in the morning. The shows here are at 10pm and midnight, the latter being a little more raunchy, largely, I suspect, because the boys (of which there are a great many) have soaked up enough boy-drinks to feel less inhibited. You are going to get more flashes of bums and cocks with the midnight towel dance, and the boys also know that their 'accidental' flashes get bigger tips haha. Most of the boys are gay, some prefer to be tops others, bottoms, but the ones I had back up to my room were pretty versatile. To my mind, at the moment, it is the most fun bar in the Complex,

Thanks guys, now I am clear of the hotel in question. I have stayed there three times including a couple of weeks last month in September. I would describe it as a gay-friendly hotel, rather than a gay hotel. I have seen a variety of fellow customers there. I have had various rooms across the hotel, and never once have I been troubled by noise from the Complex bars. It sits along the 'quiet' arm of the complex. Its closest bar is M Bar just outside to the right. M Bar is very popular at the moment with nightly shows at 10pm and midnight, and stays open until 1 am or even 2 am if customers like me are still spending coin. As to 'fun' within the hotel itself I have never seen any sign of that, although to be fair I have never looked for it. I have taken boys swimming in the main swimming pool who have played around and generally enjoyed themselves, but nothing 'naughty'. Plenty of opportunity for 'fun' in the complex itself. I have have only stayed in the cheaper end rooms of the Zing, but I have no complaints. Rooms clean, water hot and beds comfy

Sorry, my confusion. Are you discussing the Zing in the Jomtien Complex, or the other one?

I prefer a medium plus length, and most of the Thai boys I have met have been medium or medium plus, 5-6 ins But if I like a lad and feel attracted to him I will work with whatever they have got!

Soda Massage was 300 for I hour oil. I paid 1,500 tip for hand jobs (both of you) and oral (both of you), and I paid 2,000 for full sex, him being top or bottom depending on my mood. Always good at Soda, and although I stick to the same guy nowadays, there are usually 20-30 boys working there; mostly gay, but they usually have one or two straight guys.

Excellent post, I am now into my 70s and this mirrors my own experience back in the UK. Pattaya was my liberation, with the slow release of the closet door as my confidence grew. Even so the gay side to my nature is still only known to a few back in the UK. But back to the topic, I split my time in Pattaya between 'straight' boys and gays, and usually its a top v bottom distinction as well. Some of the tops arrive at my room already, as they strip off, visibly 'ready, willing and able' to perform the task in hand. Many are happy to kiss, suck, and, in rare instances, bottom as well. Some need to watch (or pretend to need to watch) hetro porn on their phone as they fuck you, some do not. Some perform with obvious enthusiasm and seem to be enjoying what they do. Some straight guys will be grabbing a towel and heading off to the shower seconds after they have cum and disengaged, while others will linger, cuddle, and try and get you off if you haven't done already. There are so many different scenarios depending on the individual boy. But as a consequence, some are invited back time after time, and holiday after holiday, while others are thanked, paid and forgotten. So I don't think there is a simple answer to the actual sexuality or bi-sexuality of Pattaya's straight boys, they each fit within a broad spectrum (as do we all as customers I suspect). My preference is for those that at least appear to enjoy their 'work'.

There are a few in the Big Cock shows in Boyztown who must also be in the 8 inch or 9 inch range. But 'size' also depends on thickness as well as length. Thing about these big cocks for me, is that they can be impressive to see and hold and stroke, but I wouldn't be wanting them anywhere near my ass! 😂

She was indeed a National Treasure, and I am sure I wasn't the only one quietly shedding a tear at this sad news 😢

Winner Boys inside the Plaza is very much open, as indeed is Nice Boys just on the edge. A couple of other bars inside the Plaza seem half open but without any sign (to me at least) of boys working in them. But WBs for the gay boys and NB for the straight boys are still worth a visit. Lots of new boys in both the other day when I looked in.

I knew this lad for several years before as a boy, this was the first time as a 'girl'. She arrived in t-shirt and shorts , and the whole experience was just as warm, wonderful, and passionate as it has been in the past! 'Same same' as I believe some people say! 🤣

Casting labels to one side, I have a very simple test - they either make my cock hard or they don't! If they do, and can 'hold my interest', they can have my time and my money!

Ordinarily I might agree with you these days. But a couple of the more fem boys I have know for a while have transitioned themselves in LBs now; no enhancements, so physically just the same as they always were but now with longer hair and regularly dress as ladies. Got one of them coming to my hotel this afternoon - we will see if the sex feel any different? 🤣

Exactly that, I find myself saying 'same same' and 'up to you' etc etc in conversation back home without thinking about it. I also find rudimentary and improvised sign language helpful. Thais often find it amusing, but at the sane time also get what I mean.

Having watched a number of Japanese female porn stars in action on film, it could prove a very noisy event! 🤣

He says they are mostly 'cock and bull (balls)' stories 😂

Given the countless thousands of massage shops across Thailand, with Thai as well as farang customers, this smacks of unrealistic public posturing by politicians rather than any credible attempt to change ingrained popular culture. Aside from the more 'obvious' extras massage shops, I have found that even the middle aged ladies working in the more 'respectable' massage shops will often offer to 'take care' of any visible 'problems' that 'pop-up' during the course a regular oil massage 🤣.

Dicks gave the appearance of having been a two-unit shop but never having been effectively joined up to make the maximum use of the potential space. Maybe the renovations are addressing that and that they will be able to cope with more customers? I visited many times in January, but several times found myself politely turned away as the place was already operating at full capacity.

Toyboys itself is also currently full of Chinese customers, male and female; something they have deliberately encouraged over the last few years. Its signage is part Chinese/part English, and, importantly, they have at least one Chinese speaking junior mamasans to welcome them inside and keep an eye on them inside in terms of drinks and choosing boy companions off the stage, etc. The consequence is that they are usually busy and bustling most nights, whereas elsewhere in BoyzTown the boys are reporting a dearth of customers. My boyfriend is based at Pikky Bar and frequently video calls me from his 'welcome' table out in the soi and showing me scenes of an empty soi. BoyzBoyzBoyz opposite him is busy he reports, 'but all Chinese', he says. His bar and others around him seem all but empty. My spy in Classic Boy Bar says they are also hurting inside through lack of customers. Toyboys seems to have achieved critical mass at the moment. A steady flow of customers encourages a stage-full of near naked boys who get drinks and offs, which in turn encourages the customers to come in, etc. etc. My little spies in the bar say that there is also a steady flow of 'new' boys to bolster and refresh the numbers on stage each night. And, ironically, drink prices at Toyboys and BoyzBoyzBoyz are eye-wateringly high compared to their neighbours.