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Why are you saying everyone is assuming the OP is talking about Chinese when in reality only a couple of people have mentioned them and in generic comment rather than specific reply?

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I've not had a problem in Hero before and not been on this trip. I'd be happy if the guys didn't line up at Hero as I always feel a bit like I'm the one in the fish tank there. You don't say where you were sitting? On the couches in front of the glass or in the restaurant area? If I'm hot after the walk up Soi Alley 11 I often prefer to sit in the restaurant area with a glass of iced water where I can observe the guys without feeling I have to pick one straight away. When I do that, only a few of them try to catch my attention, the others will often wait until I either indicate a choice or move to the couches. Of course if you feel uncomfortable, you should walk away. I'd be slow to blame it on race though, I think it often gets blamed for situations that are caused by differences in culture and how we react to them and when confronted by them. [edit- Just re read that you were in the viewing area. I don't know the reason you were ignored and have never experienced the same thing there. I've never felt any difference in my treatment there]

Here is fine and would be very welcome.

I've always gone for a VIP room at Hero as, if I'm making the journey there, I usually go for a scrub and massage. I guess the option is there if you don't like stairs. At prince there are many standard rooms on ground level. I'm not sure about the VIP and deluxe rooms, as I haven't tried them yet.

A plus for both Hero and Prince is that they are both on one level for anyone that doesn't deal well with stairs.

Day 5 - How do you say "Get the fuck off my cock, you're seriously hurting me" in Thai? It started out as a day to chill. Transfer day tomorrow to Pattaya so wanted to do some shopping. Called in at Central Chidlom but I'm not sure what it is about the place, probably the western prices, I really don't like it. Headed to MBK and started exploring. Always something new to see. Late afternoon was trying to decide between a first visit to Senso or a 2nd visit to Prince. Walked via Saladaeng but ended up walking past Senso. I'm not sure what it is but I just don't find the place inviting from the outside. Decided on Prince so carried on. In Prince, seemed busy from the shoes outside but still 20 or more boys to choose from. Didn't see my guy from the first night so chose a younger lad smiling broadly at me. Just as he stepped out, I spotted my guy from the first night. He'd been on his mobile I think, he smiled and his eyes lit up, then he realised he'd missed out. Oh well, turns out I had too. The lad I'd chosen was quite small, toned but thin. His massage though was really, really strong. For the most part very good too. Although he used a lot of pressure and a lot of different techniques, he generally tempered his strength in the right places and so it was mostly a superb massage. Do Prince do any training with their staff? It seems so as the techniques and rotations through the massage were very similar to the guy the first night. Once we got to the afters, nothing was similar to the first night. Where the guy then had been very good, this one was about getting me to cum as quickly as he could. He was so violent in his HJ that I was in pain and fast losing any thought of a happy ending. Any ending that didn't end with me in hospital with a torn dick was likely to be a bonus. I protested with pain and he briefly changed hands and went at with the other hand. I ended up stopping him as I thought he had split the skin, it was really sore. He didn't even seem surprised to get the minimum tip. There was certainly no complaint. So, one good experience and now one bad one for prince. I still think they have a really nice set up there and, if you're staying in Silom/Surawong/Sathorn area it's more convenient than getting to Hero. I'll just put it down to getting a bad guy and leave it there. Though I definitely need to know how to say "Get the fuck off my cock, you're seriously hurting me" in Thai?

It was an organised tour. I have no doubt you could organise it yourself though some of the specifics and timings might be awkward. I booked through BA so used points but you the same tour on Expedia is £38 but fluctuates with the baht. Both companies use Tour East Thailand. In high season I think they use a large air conditioned coach. Yesterday there were only 6 of us so they used a small minibus. There is a lot of travelling and it's an early start. The itinerary included: - Coach/Minibus to Kanchanaburi - Visit to Kanchanaburi War Cemetary - Visit to Jeath WW2 Museum - Long Tail Boat ride down river to the Bridge on the River Kwai. - Visit the Bridge, walk across, photo stop, sightseeing. - Coach ride to cafe near train station. Close to old British and Aussie PoW camps - Lunch at Cafe (pay for drinks). Set menu and no Chicken with Cashew Nuts

Day 4 - Long tour today out to Kanchanaburi (Bridge Over River Kwai and Death Railway). Left at 0630 and got back around 1800. Well worth the time spent though. Got back and had shit, shower, shave and decided to head back to Prince, this time for a scrub and massage. The weather however had other plans for me and a storm with heavy rain hit just as I was walking down Convent. Every cloud has a silver lining though and I ducked into Adonis. About 10 or 12 boys, mostly mid 20's toned and muscled types. in there and chose one with nice lean body, nicely toned, 26. 800baht for 90 minute aroma oil. Minimum tip 1000baht. Headed upstairs. Is it just me or whenever you go to a massage place they take you to the furthest room? Nice enough room, polished wooden floor, separate attached shower room. Shower was a bit dated but functional enough. Nice massage table. Love tables with a hole for your face. So much more relaxing not having to turn head to one side or the other. Massage was nice enough, though a bit on the oily side. Middling pressure, not too hard but also not like they are gently wiping their hands on you either. Lots of different strokes and pressure variations. Quite sensual and lots of early pressing my feet and hands with his cock to let me know he was up for afters. He didn't skimp on the massage though, just his way of letting me know he was ok with play. As the massage progressed it got more and more oily. Some might say too much but it led to a full body on body massage. Not simply grinding his body but hands, arms, feet, let's, cock, body. There was so much oil I was worried he'd slip off and hurt himself. Eventually turned over and he rode me like a cowboy. 2nd time I've topped in 3 days. Must be some kind of record for me. Again, the whole 90 minutes were consumed. No skimping and well worth the stop. I'm not sure how busy Adonis gets. This masseur as well as previous I've had there all have 2nd jobs and are part time there. Not been let down there though and they are on the budget end of the pricing so, to me, they are good value. I do like Adonis.

Thanks, always misnamed it.

Day 3 - A bit of a change of pace today as I wanted to have a wander around Asiatique this evening. Spent the morning repeatedly getting myself lost in Chinatown, quite successfully I might add. Stupidly flagged down a Tuk-Tuk to take me to the river boat. I deliberately didn't get one near the hotel and flagged one down but he still spent the journey telling me he could find me leather, perfume, etc shops. At one point he stopped and tried to tell me I was too early for river boats and he could sell me a 2 hour canal tour that would get there just as it opened. He only started driving again when I started to get out to walk. Decided on an early massage on my way to the free shuttle to Asiatique. As Silom Complex is on the way to Chon Nonsi from the hotel I decided to visit Arena. Prince put up a strong fight for a second visit but the convenience of Arena being directly on the way won out. Arena is now on the 3rd rather than 2nd floor. Not been there for a massage before as the first time I went, last trip, they were closed by 2100 and I missed them. No such problems this time. A selection of about 15 boys, mostly toned or muscly. I chose 1.5 hour aroma oil which was 790b and a minimum tip of 1200b. Chose a very toned lad, mid 20's, and we headed upstairs. The new location is clean and tidy, though very functional. Nothing in the way of soft furnishings in the rooms but they have massage tables rather than beds and a nice sized shower cubicle in the room. The masseur left me to take a shower while he sorted everything out. The massage was very different from nearly all I've had in Thailand. Very sensual/erotic in nature rather than any form of traditional massage. He was very good at the techniques, knew when to vary pressure and his massage flowed nicely. Not for lovers of a really firm massage but, to be honest, I like to simply go with the flow and experience what the masseur can do rather than interrupting and asking him to change technique or pressure. He often would use very light touch to arouse and would come back to the various erotic points on the body to add to the stimulation. In no way did he try to rush anything. At first when he started more intimate massaging, I thought he was one of those that moved on to part two as quickly as possible. That was definitely not the case. The afters were not really afters. They kind of happened in the middle. It was pretty obvious he was straight but that really didn't detract from the experience. After we had both blown nice loads I assumed that the massage was over. Instead he wiped us both down and then started massaging the front. No rush at all and if anything we went slightly over our 90 minutes. Overall, a really nice, though a bit unusual massage for Bangkok. Much more what I'd expect in Manchester or NYC. Overall good impressions of Arena and certainly a fair option for those who find Prince/Hero/Senso on the expensive side.

1) Never assume it's going to be a fart. 2) There are so many places to eat in Bangkok. 3) Some are safe for travellers, some are not. 4) if you fall foul of 3) remember 1) 5) Carry tissues or TP in case you fall foul of 1)

If I want to go see a show, I'm ok with paying 350b for a drink and admission. I don't see it that I'm paying 350b for a drink and as a combined drink/show price it is simply not bad. That being said, I will probably only go to a couple of shows while here. As for the price people are asking as tips, it is a starting point. If you don't like the amount they are asking, make a counter offer. I don't see that these guys are forcing people to come to Thailand and have sex with them over anywhere else in the world. Once you are here, they are entitled to try to get the most money they can for their time, effort and risk. Either there are people willing to pay those prices or there are people successfully negotiating cheaper deals.

Day 2 - I love walking round the MBK. I wanted to get a pay as you go SIM and thought it would be as good a place as any to find one. Floor 4 is wall to wall mobile accessories so no problems. Lots with silly names, my pick of the day "Lemon Telecom" with "Good Luck Mobiles" a close second. Spent a couple of hours grabbing some T-Shirts, etc and had a great Chilli Chicken Kimchi in the food court. I left it late deciding what to do. Yesterday's massage and extras were really good and the massage very firm so, unusually for me, I decided I'd like a more twinks masseur and fancied topping for a change of scenery. I headed toward Sukhumvit and down Soi 11 to Banana Club. I've not been here before but the few reviews I've read have been positive and suggested there were usually more twinks than might be found down the road at Hero. On going inside, I was asked if I knew it was Man on Man massage... That's a first. I chose a 90 minute aroma oil. I was told the pricing was 350b for 1 hour or 800b for 90 mins. I nearly took 2 x 1 hour massages but just went for the 90 minute. As it was he only charged me 650b for the 90 minutes which is pretty good value. I was taken through to the selection room. There were 10 or so boys, the majority tones/muscled rather than what I'd been expecting. I chose one of the 2 twinks, nice defined body but definitely a twink. I took pot luck on whether he was a bottom but was lucky I guess. Banana Club has a communal changing area and shower. Lockers are provided for security of your things. The masseur joined me in the shower both before and after. He spent little time cleaning my backside so it was a fair bet he was used to bottoming. Up another few flights of stairs to the massage room. Nice enough and clean enough. Some of the older massage places tend to become a little tatty and dirty but Banana Club was fine. On with the massage and he was trying hard but needs a few lessons in techniques. Not soft but not firm either. He massaged everywhere but was limited in pressure variation and different techniques. I'd really been expecting this so it didn't put a hamper on things. He did massage everywhere so that's a plus point. After about an hour he started to move to the sensual side. I could feel his erection so we moved to stage 2. After some kissing and cuddling I let him control it and he bottomed pretty well. He really had a sweet body and cock. Not big, perhaps 6 inches but with a very sensitive head I learned pretty quickly. Very nice afters and just what I was looking for. After we'd finished, another kiss and cuddle then a shower. On coming downstairs, spoke with Kelvin who told me they are moving to new premises in December. I will update in the business's section with the address, contact details and directions. Apparently the move is in about 6 weeks to Sukhumvit 23. New premises, somewhat larger that will allow him to expand into traditional and other massages in addition to what they already provide.

Spoke with kelvin at Banana Club tonight. They are indeed moving to new premises in Sukhumvit 23 in December. Screenshots from Kelvin's phone

Day 1 - Arrived Bangkok a little late due to flight delays. Through immigration and such pretty quickly and on my way to the hotel. Didn't feel 100%. Don't normally get jet lag but didn't get much sleep on the flight. Caught up on a couple of hours sleep in the hotel before heading out for a massage. Wanted to head to Prince as it's one of the ones I missed on my first trip that I'd really wanted to try. Wandered past Silom Plaza and nearly detoured to Arena, then down Soi Convent and was hard pressed not to visit Adonis. Finally reached Prince and was really impressed with the outside. Little water features and clean and tidy. Went inside and they sat me down and brought me an iced water. Before I chose a masseur, they explained the pricing structure. I chose an Aroma Oil 90 minutes. 1100 baht with 1500 baht minimum tip. Next down to choosing a masseur. The boys are behind glass in a similar manner to Hero. I was given a laser pointer and told, when I'd made my selection, to point him out with the pointer. A nice touch really. A good selection of at least 25 masseurs, mostly toned or muscly, no real twinks or fems but a pretty good selection overall. The boss sat with me, asked what type of guy I was looking for and then said if I pointed out any I might be interested in he would let me know their strengths. It seemed to work well, I chose a toned guy who looked to be early 20's and the boss told me he gave good massage, was gay and could top. Perfect. Taken to the massage room, nice and clean with a bed and a shower in room. Overall, very impressed with the facilities. The masseur didn't shower with me beforehand, but did after. It was obvious straight away that he was a good masseur. Very strong pressure and could identify knots and problem areas and dealt with them. No rush of the massage, in fact he was all business during the massage phase. Starting from the feet and working up he took his time and gave a great massage. He had quite reasonable English and from our conversation I reevaluated his age to mid 20's or a year or so older. Eventually he asked me to turn over. His massage turned more sensual in nature and he really didn't have to make too much effort to get me to attention. He had a lovely cock, 5 or so inches flaccid and probably 7.5 erect. After some kissing and foreplay he topped me nicely in half a dozen or so positions. Perhaps the sex was not quite as expert as the massage but that's really nit-picking. Overall, I'd really have to say it's a tie between Hero and Prince and that's high praise as I love Hero. I can honestly say that I could spend all my time alternating between the two, but I won't as there are a few others I want to try this week.

I had a massage there last trip. My masseur was dressed for the massage and then stripped off at the end.

So you only like guys with hair dragging on the floor and a beard down to their waist too? Personally I prefer pubes that have at least been trimmed a bit and not growing wild. I do like a shaved pubic area on a guy, but it is by no means a requirement.

That's what encrypted hard drives and hidden files and partitions are for. They won't stop someone given time and the right tools, but will provide some level of protection against more casual checks.That being said, there's really no need to take porn through borders when you can move it round the internet so easily.

Thanks for the update TMax. Sorry your back isn't good. Hutchison, if you're worried about carrying DVD's you may want to rip them to your hard drive. You don't need to worry then.

Personal opinions are just that, personal. They are never worthless, though their value is always going to be different to different people. The same information can be highly esteemed by one and of little value to another. The weight of value someone places on another's opinion is going to be based on their experience of how often their opinion coincides with your own, assuming you've previously acted on their opinion and undergone similar experiences. If a person goes through life relying entirely on other people's opinions there will be much enjoyment missed on the say so of others. Personal experience is often how we learn. I find most of Vinapu's comments and opinions of value to me. There are some that may affect my actions such as on massage places, since he has wide experience of them and we have similar tastes in both massage and masseurs. That doesn't mean I won't experiment and try some place not recommended as there are simply too many variables and people experience things in different ways. Other of Vinapu's comments and opinions are less valuable to me, such as on hotels. We don't have the same taste in them and he prefers to move from place to place and I prefer to settle in one hotel. That doesn't' make his opinion any less valuable for lots of people, just not for me in this one area. I guess what I'm trying to say in a particularly long winded way is that comments and opinions, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder.

February Couldn't get them on the phone but they answered e-mail promptly.

Time off from the North Pole?

I agree that's the reason, but not sure it should be. Unless it's a busy place, it's the difference between an outcall or maybe nothing. If the place is sending a type (twinkly, muscly, whatever) then it's a chance for the parlour to send a less popular masseur that maybe doesn't get picked often. Also, there's no laundry, etc. Overall, I agree there should be an overhead but some of the sizes of the overhead are a bit much. All that said, I very rarely ask for a massage out call and never in Thailand. It's simply too easy to get to any number of massage places.

Depends how long their dick is