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I was doing the same, clicking through it as I too mainly use Edge, but I just downloaded Chrome and keep the icon on my quick-clicks menu and have Edge in one window and Chrome in the other and I just use chrome for accessing Gayguides, easy one click and I'm into Gayguides without the warnings [and the hassle].

I can only give a recent experience of East Suites in Jomtien (as have never stayed Agate) where I stayed for 10 nights last month, my first trip to Pattaya for 30 months. Despite the length of time since my last stay I found East Suites as immaculate as before. I had booked the Executive Suite 70sq m which is huge, but the other standard suites are 50 sq m and also very large. One difference post-covid was the entry system. Before East Suites had 24hr reception, but now has a key fob which 'beeps' for the auto open/close front door, I found that easier than the previous 'pick-up keys at reception' routine. The reception was open from early morning until about 6-7pm where free coffee and croissants are available at breakfast time, so the key fob only really used at night, so therefore no issues with joiners. The room was as usual immaculate. One thing it does have compared to most hotel rooms is a small kitchen area with coffee maker and microwave with cutlery/glasses etc which we found very handy and are used to with staying primarily in apartments. Possibly for some the fact Est Suites has no lift is an issue, but there are ground floor rooms available. I prefer using stairs no matter where I stay and only use the lift when checking in and out with luggage, but at East Suites the male receptionist is available to assist with luggage and is very helpful. The prices Bt1400-Bt1700 depending on room size never really change, but compared to what you get are excellent value for money. Compared to The Agate the room sizes at East Suites will probably be about double the size. John the owner is usually around the reception daytime and is very approachable and helpful. I had no issue with noise from the Complex at East Suites.

From memory the Euro Boys Gogo owner, Mikael from Sweden, became ill and had to sell it because he was poorly, so it might have seemed sudden. I think Eden next door landed up buying it and it was possibly they who turned it into host bar, this would have been around 2011-2012. Mikael also owned a small apartment block Sanai Apartments almost opposite Eros Bar and it was the new British owner of Sanai Apts (having bought them from Mike) who informed me about Euro Boys around that time. But yes, it was a popular Gogo bar back in the day.

By the way, thank you for your update on this and other updates you post regarding Pattaya bars etc.. williewillie, its good to hear from somebody 'on the ground', much appreciated for those of us missing in action.

Just to add a comment as I know of this boy, and know the South African in the passing as we have a common farang friend. Interesting you suggest possible abuse, because from what I have heard, there is, but it is the other way round with the Thai boy very controlling and the farang allowing it to happen despite many giving him good advise about this boy/man. I have seen the Thai boy many, many times in Sunee, he is one I have never engaged with or even spoken to other than him saying 'hi' and avoid at all costs if I can. There are very few people in the sunee or gay Pattaya bars I feel inclined to deliberately avoid, but he is one. If this stabbing is true, I won't be that surprised and it takes a lot for me to say something like that.

A Thai friend who runs QM2.0 bar in Jomtien Complex had a 1 bed room 60sqm room for rent with 2 balconies, I think above the bar, at Bt10,000 per month, but offering at Bt8,500 due to Covid situation.This was couple weeks ago so not sure if still available, or for which months. Sorry don't have precise contact details but if of interest you could try contacting QM 2.0 Bar through their Facebook page [QM2.0 BAR].

With regards to Bangkok, perhaps a chance to consolidate the gay gogo/bar scene in Patpong 2, as per previously on Soi Twilight. I see from 'stickman weekly' site he reports that 2-3 lady gogo bars on Patpong 2 are not going to reopen after lockdown no matter what happens, so maybe a chance to fully establish Patpong 2 as the 'gay soi', even he is suggesting that possibility. Given that Thailand hopes for Asian country customers to return first, as was the case pre-lockdown, where well-off Asians...….Chinese, Sth Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong etc were the main customer base that gives a real hope that they, along with any Bkk expats can offer hope, certainly initially until we see just what the full Covid damage will be in terms of International travel from Western countries as well as the Asian one's. Although it seems the fall-out will be much worse than 2008 Financial crisis, that crisis showed there were still enough gay travellers with deep pockets who still had the will and means to travel to Thailand and visit the gogo bars and entertainment areas.

Thanks to z909 for posting this excellent recent visit update. Even though you describe as short it has plenty of good info and to the point, all the forums seem to be lacking this kind of review nowadays compared to the amount of trip reports there used to be a few years back certainly over at SGT. Your honest, disappointments along with the successes reporting are the posts I appreciate most. I too like Mosaik as a base when i'm in South Pattaya and your types of boy and bars are also similar to my own, our only difference is that your report is from the aspect of looking to off boys regularly, which I rarely (but sometimes) do as happy with bf status in Thailand, but I do bar-hop a lot and enjoy the company of 2-3 of Sunee regulars, in and out of their respective bars at times. Just to advise, the bar right next to Euro Boys is Eden Bar run by a nice, polite, cute lad called Kone, and is a one-shop unit, Diamond Bar is the next one down and double the size with a pool table at the back. All 3 bars have freelancers who do occasionally visit the bars they are not 'based' at. The only shock/surprise from your post and completely different to my own experience, is that of your disappointment with Sai. If its the same lad I'm thinking of, he's a slight built, smaller, cute lad from Eden Bar but older than he looks, closer to 30 than he is to 20 I think. I would have expected him to be an ideal off for you given your likes. While I've only sat with him a couple times, if it is the same lad, I've seen him working quite a few times and always found him to be very eager and service-orientated about taking care of you when in his company, as far as I understand he's definitely bottom and is usually quite forward (when sitting with you quietly) about what he likes as a bottom. I've never offed him so of course cant confirm that's how it plays out back in room. But he's definitely never been pushy with me or have seen him like that with other customers, in fact always comes across as very keen to satisfy, so keen he even offered to pay his own off fee if I took him last trip. (I'm sure he knows I have a bf so maybe he made that offer never expecting me to take it up). Maybe he was a little boozy that evening? and not himself when you offed him and maybe you were just a bit unlucky on the night as his behaviour seems completely different to what I would have expected to hear (which is also based on what Kone the manager and a couple of other boys in the next door bars have told me about him). Just out of interest, when he tried to push you into buying another round and getting you to move, why did you not just put a marker down and tell him you were happy seated where you were, that might have got him to wake up his ideas a bit regarding his responsibilities to his customer. That aside, (and pity about the flu), but it seems you had a very enjoyable and successful trip to Pattaya and we enjoyed hearing about it. Did you not venture to Jomtien Complex during your trip?

I haven't actually asked Kone directly but this is what I was told by a couple of the Diamond Bar guys where Kone previously worked. Agree he is a very likeable lad, very easy to get on with. As I commented over at SGT......good to hear Euro Boys is already open, I expect to be dropping by all three bars early next week.

There are definitely others. All the Cambodian boys I know in Sunee do a return home visit regularly when they need a 'visa run'. In June when I visited one bar had very few of their regular lads the first night I was there. All the Cambodian lads had returned home both to help with harvest and at the same time renew their visas. They were only back home for about seven days all told.

Just saw that confirmed on SGT, as I said over there, very disappointed and surprised. Disappointed as it is my early evening venue to park myself for first couple drinks of the night when in Pattaya, while I soak up the atmosphere and decide the agenda for the rest of the night as well as enjoying checking-out the lads opposite at Toy Boys. Arriving in Pattaya in a few days after a stop in Bkk, so it looks like the Ambiance Terrace or Serene will have to be the early evening place as Oscars is also closed. Struggling to find some good news about Pattaya bars at the moment.

Thanks for the 'heads up' on this new bar hanan, always good to hear of another addition to Jomtien even if further out from the main Soi. Sometimes it's nice to visit the bars outwith the main soi as often it feels like many of the bars especially in the lower main soi seem to merge into one large bar area. Also staff on the outer areas are often very appreciative of customers who make the effort and try a bit harder to make your visit enjoyable. I found that at Pour House (then ganymede) and the likes of Festival Bar. Will certainly make the effort to check out the bar during my visit next month which includes a short stay in Jomtien, at The Venue hotel for the first time as East Suites, my usual lodgings, are fully booked for my dates.

Just to clarify kokopelli, you do get served the large DS in a single glass but as I've been going there since it opened they know just to give me another glass with only some ice and I split the double myself, I don't know if they actually use a measure there but sometimes even the double I get is a rather large double, probably more like a triple. Also the Belgian boss often sends over a top-up on the house without asking if I want one, so land up drinking more than I normally do in one bar. I wasn't sure about the wine or beer as I just stick to vodka/gin there, that's why I emphasised only the spirits were good value, I suspected the wine/beer might be above the surrounding bar average pricing. I'm never in there before 9pm so no happy hour beer pricing for me! Also agree Double Shot is a tremendous asset to the Plaza, things would be even darker without it.

Thanks for this update Hanan. When I visited in Feb/Mar this year I was one of those disappointed with the place. It was very quiet on the customer front and only 5-6 boys the nights I visited, which was a pity as a year previous it was one of the best Gogos in Pattaya. As it was high season then I was concerned for it's future but glad to see it's got itself sorted out. Although even when dead was over-staffed with waiting staff, or rather 'hanging-around doing very little' staff. Look forward to visiting next month during my trip to Thailand, it seems it's back to what it was last year.

I partly disagree with this hanan. The only negative regarding the pricing of spirits, vodka, whisky, gin etc.. in DS is that essentially you have to buy a minimum of two drinks, as part of the 'double Shot' measure they serve in the Bt150 price. When priced as an individual drink, a top-shelf vodka with half bottle of freshly opened original coke at Bt75 is easily competitive with any of the other bars. When I go to Double Shot I usually have the vodka/coke, I receive 2 glasses and split the large double measure with the bottle of the fresh coke. A DS measure in one glass is too strong for my taste. I visit here regularly as I do most of the other Sunee bars during a visit, and always enjoy a stop off here during the evening. Also if you are a night-bird DS can be found open well into to wee hours of the morning. Not sure the pricing of wine and beer, but on spirits DS is a great option in my experience.